Atheist and Christian to 'solve the mystery of the universe' at Midtown Scholar event

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Is it possible for a libertarian Christian and a liberal atheist to talk religion and politics and still remain civil? That's what Adam Murtagh of Mount Joy and Adam Lee of New York City are out to find out during their "Think! " debate and book signing at Midtown Scholar Bookstore in Harrisburg at 2 p.m. Dec. 14. Both have written books about ... (more)

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#82 Dec 20, 2013
Hitler = Christian no lies from christards can change that

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#83 Dec 20, 2013
biomystic wrote:
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Jewish atheist bullshite. Anyone who reads Hitler's private letters knows he thought Christians were fools and Christianity a fool's religion.
I have read them-- enough, anyway-- to know you are lying.

You are just another religious lying little shyt.

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#84 Dec 20, 2013
swerty wrote:
Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
So what?

Mel Gibson did the same thing.

In fact?

If it hadn't been for a world-wide upwelling of sympathy for the plight of the Jews, during WW2?

The evil Cat'Lick church would **still** be teaching that the Jews were "christ killers".

This is not news.

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#85 Dec 20, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Wrong, started out Christian, then criticised Christianity, then became arguably a atheist, then everyone just agreed he was anti-christian
A big pile of NOPE.

His last words? The ones he wrote just before ending his own life?

Proves beyond a doubt, he believed he was a Genuine Christian™.

Exactly the same sort of Genuine Christian™ that **you** are, in fact.

You know: rejecting all things science.

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#86 Dec 20, 2013
Jim wrote:
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Now that you know he was christian, are you going to continue to lie about it?
Of course!

Why should he *quit* lying, when that is the **only** suite in his hands?

:)

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#87 Dec 20, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to set aside his views on religion out of political considerations. He repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science.[1] It is generally accepted by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[2][3] The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated, however reputable Hitler biographers Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree Hitler was anti-Christian. This view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann which are contained within Hitler's Table Talk, an influential translation of which was completed by historian Hugh Trevor-Roper.
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#88 Dec 20, 2013
Mikko wrote:
Hitler = Christian no lies from christards can change that
didn't you read the Wikipedia. There's no evidence of Hitler being Christian, plus Hitler claimed to not believe God at one stage.

Never new you were that ignorant

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#89 Dec 20, 2013
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Now that's a guaranteed lie. Saying that it's bullsh8t from me.

I don't know how to copy a page from the internet so I just copied the words.

Hitler criticised Christianity and even killed Christians during WW2. Hitler was a atheist without a doubt

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#90 Dec 20, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Now that's a guaranteed lie. Saying that it's bullsh8t from me.
I don't know how to copy a page from the internet so I just copied the words.
Hitler criticised Christianity and even killed Christians during WW2. Hitler was a atheist without a doubt
Ole Adolph was a member of your team Get over it!

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#91 Dec 20, 2013
Thanks Carchar, that was great. But it won't do a thing to reach our evangelical atheists fundies here with their minds frozen in denial as fundies do. Watch. Your post will be flooded over by evangelical atheists in about two minutes and they will carry on as if Wikipedia's information doesn't exist. Cannot argue with minds closed to reason which something I always forget in my being suckered into countering evangelical atheist propaganda.

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#92 Dec 20, 2013
Cheese, it wasn't two minutes but two seconds for our Evangelical Atheists to jump to the defense of their irrational belief system.

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#93 Dec 20, 2013
Hitler Was a Christian

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian...

"However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms."

"Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus."

"Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings:“The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.”–Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.”-Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism."

"...Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity."

“By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.”– Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted."

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#94 Dec 20, 2013
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.”-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.[Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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#95 Dec 20, 2013
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”–Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.”–Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

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#96 Dec 20, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Cheese, it wasn't two minutes but two seconds for our Evangelical Atheists to jump to the defense of their irrational belief system.
Atheism is not a belief system.

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#97 Dec 20, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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didn't you read the Wikipedia. There's no evidence of Hitler being Christian, plus Hitler claimed to not believe God at one stage.
Never new you were that ignorant
Lie, lie and another lie.

Hitler died as **you** will one day die, believing that he was (just as you do even now) a Genuine Christian™.

Since your Jewsus does not enforce **any** rules about who is, and who isn't a christian?

This means Hitler is one of **yours**. He died a Genuine Christian™

You and he are **very** much alike, in **many** respects, too.

He lied a lot. You lie a lot.

He was full of irrational hate for specific groups of humans-- for **no** reason.

You are full of irrational hate for specific groups of humans-- for no reason.

He delighted in the torture and death of these specific groups.

You delight at the idea of death and torture of specific groups.

Hitler wanted **his** personal ideas forced onto the world-- with violence if need be.

**You** want **your** personal ideas forced onto the world-- and I have no doubts at all, you'd use violence if you could (fortunately you are also a wimp and a coward).

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#98 Dec 20, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Now that's a guaranteed lie. Saying that it's bullsh8t from me.
I don't know how to copy a page from the internet so I just copied the words.
Hitler criticised Christianity and even killed Christians during WW2. Hitler was a atheist without a doubt
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#99 Dec 20, 2013
Empty words, Bob and Chrysler product. You can't make any case stand making Hitler into a Christian as Wikipedia explains to anyone without the Evangelical Atheist blind faith fundamentalist in denial mindset that is truly a fundamentalist belief system because the believers in atheist belief, that there is no spiritual phenomena and religionists are all liars or deceived, behave exactly like the fundamentalist believers in God. Both groups deny any evidence exists countering their beliefs. Just as you're doing here. Denying the Wikipedia counter evidence for your belief, not fact at all but belief, in Jewish and atheist attempts to make Hitler a Christian when his whole life behavior contradicted everything Christianity stands for. This is just atheists trying to create a false history so as to blame Christians on an atheist madman.

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#100 Dec 20, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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didn't you read the Wikipedia. There's no evidence of Hitler being Christian, plus Hitler claimed to not believe God at one stage.
Never new you were that ignorant
wikipedia pfff *coffee on screen* haha ...

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#101 Dec 20, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Empty words, Bob and Chrysler product. You can't make any case stand making Hitler into a Christian as Wikipedia explains to anyone without the Evangelical Atheist blind faith fundamentalist in denial mindset that is truly a fundamentalist belief system because the believers in atheist belief, that there is no spiritual phenomena and religionists are all liars or deceived, behave exactly like the fundamentalist believers in God. Both groups deny any evidence exists countering their beliefs. Just as you're doing here. Denying the Wikipedia counter evidence for your belief, not fact at all but belief, in Jewish and atheist attempts to make Hitler a Christian when his whole life behavior contradicted everything Christianity stands for. This is just atheists trying to create a false history so as to blame Christians on an atheist madman.
christards trying to change history because a christarded madman did something awful

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