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Atheist and Christian to 'solve the mystery of the universe' at Midtown Scholar event

There are 218 comments on the PennLive.com story from Dec 13, 2013, titled Atheist and Christian to 'solve the mystery of the universe' at Midtown Scholar event. In it, PennLive.com reports that:

Is it possible for a libertarian Christian and a liberal atheist to talk religion and politics and still remain civil? That's what Adam Murtagh of Mount Joy and Adam Lee of New York City are out to find out during their "Think! " debate and book signing at Midtown Scholar Bookstore in Harrisburg at 2 p.m. Dec. 14. Both have written books about ... (more)

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Jim

Stanmore, UK

#61 Dec 19, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, Hitler wasn't a Christian
Now that you know he was christian, are you going to continue to lie about it?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#62 Dec 19, 2013
weres all the native americans gone, another bible holocaust
biomystic wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, Bad Logic, as usual. Why? Because atheist denial of any historical facts contradicting the cherished belief: Forgot: French Republic in the hands of "Reason". All of Russia and many nations in the U.S.S.R. in the hands of atheist Communists, all the millions dead there, the millions dead in atheist Communist China, the millions dead in Cambodia under atheists. You talk only about Hitler and forget the Other psycho monsters because they were atheists. Shows you bias, shows your inability to reason intelligently.
I like that quite accurate term: Evangelical Atheism..fits the typical atheist troll to a T.
Jim

Stanmore, UK

#63 Dec 19, 2013
About once every month, Atheists have to remind Christian fundamentalists that Hitler was in fact Christian:

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#64 Dec 19, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, Hitler wasn't a Christian
Wrong, Hitler wasn't an atheist!

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#65 Dec 19, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, Hitler wasn't a Christian
The German Army belt buckles said GOTT MIT UNS which means GOD WITH US. Nazi soldiers also took an oath to Hitler saying - I SWEAR BY GOD THIS HOLY OATH....TO ADOLF HITLER.... By using religion Hitler made himself seem close to god.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#66 Dec 19, 2013
Jim wrote:
About once every month, Atheists have to remind Christian fundamentalists that Hitler was in fact Christian:
“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
It's like clockwork isn't it? But it's our job to correct and inform the Willfully Ignorant.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#67 Dec 19, 2013
Jim, repeating a lie doesn't make it be true. Hitler LIED in those speeches where he told Germans he supported Christianity. Hitler was notorious for his ability to mesmerize his German audiences because he was a consummate charismatic showman. In short, his public support for Christianity was all show. It's his private letters that tell his real personal beliefs and of course the historical fact, Nazism has Nothing Christian in it's doctrines. Nothing Christina.

So every time you trot out your "Hitler was a Christian" is in fact, no more true to say than lying George W. Bush was a "Christian" when he ordered Americans into wars with Muslims. Real Christians don't do that stuff. Phony, show "Christians" do it. Learn the difference and stop using a historical lie to promote your atheist fundamentalist belief system that rests on lies, badly researched history and reliance on lies of fellow lying atheists at war with Christians.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#68 Dec 19, 2013
I SWEAR BY GOD THIS HOLY OATH....TO ADOLF HITLER.... By using religion Hitler made himself seem close to god."

A perfect example of what I said about Hitler USING Christianity as a front for his own meglomaniacal ambitions. That IS NOT Christianity in any way shape or form. You don't be a Christian by mouthing the words without doing the actions of a true Christian. If you ever read the New Testament you'd know this. Jesus goes out of his way to warn Christians of phonies, hypocrites. So, that is Christianity. Not the hypocrites lies. Not your lies. No one in their right mind would trust either you atheists or Nazis to tell the truth about Christianity. You're totally biased up the yin yang and your bigoted opinions don't mean jack to anyone who knows the real historical story and not atheist propaganda.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#70 Dec 19, 2013
biomystic wrote:
I SWEAR BY GOD THIS HOLY OATH....TO ADOLF HITLER.... By using religion Hitler made himself seem close to god."
A perfect example of what I said about Hitler USING Christianity as a front for his own meglomaniacal ambitions. That IS NOT Christianity in any way shape or form. You don't be a Christian by mouthing the words without doing the actions of a true Christian. If you ever read the New Testament you'd know this. Jesus goes out of his way to warn Christians of phonies, hypocrites. So, that is Christianity. Not the hypocrites lies. Not your lies. No one in their right mind would trust either you atheists or Nazis to tell the truth about Christianity. You're totally biased up the yin yang and your bigoted opinions don't mean jack to anyone who knows the real historical story and not atheist propaganda.
Ole Adolph was a member of your team. Get over it!

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#71 Dec 19, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Jim, repeating a lie doesn't make it be true. Hitler LIED in those speeches where he told Germans he supported Christianity. Hitler was notorious for his ability to mesmerize his German audiences because he was a consummate charismatic showman. In short, his public support for Christianity was all show. It's his private letters that tell his real personal beliefs and of course the historical fact, Nazism has Nothing Christian in it's doctrines. Nothing Christina.
So every time you trot out your "Hitler was a Christian" is in fact, no more true to say than lying George W. Bush was a "Christian" when he ordered Americans into wars with Muslims. Real Christians don't do that stuff. Phony, show "Christians" do it. Learn the difference and stop using a historical lie to promote your atheist fundamentalist belief system that rests on lies, badly researched history and reliance on lies of fellow lying atheists at war with Christians.
the old hitler lied lie from christards

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#72 Dec 19, 2013
Yessir, "Evangelical Atheists" really does fit these atheist trolls who as we see above are just here like nine-year boys to throw mud pies at adults. Mud pies in the form of rather stupid soundbite slurs that children would make.
Jim

Stanmore, UK

#73 Dec 19, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Jim, repeating a lie doesn't make it be true. Hitler LIED in those speeches where he told Germans he supported Christianity. Hitler was notorious for his ability to mesmerize his German audiences because he was a consummate charismatic showman. In short, his public support for Christianity was all show. It's his private letters that tell his real personal beliefs and of course the historical fact, Nazism has Nothing Christian in it's doctrines. Nothing Christina.
So every time you trot out your "Hitler was a Christian" is in fact, no more true to say than lying George W. Bush was a "Christian" when he ordered Americans into wars with Muslims. Real Christians don't do that stuff. Phony, show "Christians" do it. Learn the difference and stop using a historical lie to promote your atheist fundamentalist belief system that rests on lies, badly researched history and reliance on lies of fellow lying atheists at war with Christians.
What a totally dishonest denialist you are.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#74 Dec 19, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Yessir, "Evangelical Atheists" really does fit these atheist trolls who as we see above are just here like nine-year boys to throw mud pies at adults. Mud pies in the form of rather stupid soundbite slurs that children would make.
This is what you resort to when you are losing the arguments.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#75 Dec 20, 2013
See the post above yours by Jim, desoto. When I slam you atheists I don't do it soundbite style, I read the riot act. I have and do explain in full the reasons that tells the wise why no one in their right mind should listen to the opinions of people without any knowledge of what they're talking about.

Logic: analogy to do your heavy lifting thinking for you to understand: only fools would listen to the negative opinions of a football fan who hates baseball and has never played the game, never wanted to learned the rules of the game, and on top of it, goes around with his fellow football fans all of them pretending the game of baseball doesn't exist, only football does. But yet all over the world people know that baseball exists and these people who say it doesn't are loony.

Take me out to the ballgame...

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#76 Dec 20, 2013
biomystic wrote:
See the post above yours by Jim, desoto. When I slam you atheists I don't do it soundbite style, I read the riot act.
That is the same Modus Operandi of FAUX News, and we all know how uninformed those viewers are.

http://www.alternet.org/story/154875/the_scie...
biomystic wrote:
I have and do explain in full the reasons that tells the wise why no one in their right mind should listen to the opinions of people without any knowledge of what they're talking about.
No you don't. Here is your very first post on this thread bashing others with no evidence:
biomystic wrote:
It's a waste of time to argue with atheists as it is with all fundamentalist believers. They are stuck in their anger against people paying more attention to God than to themselves so they are compelled to rectify the imbalance by posting their egos compulsively every single day on any forum with Christians in it, Christianity being the obsession of atheists more than any other religion.
But you are still here, and bashing away.

In your very next post you accused me of
biomystic wrote:
J
And MrDesoto, you're soundbite criticism says nothing of substance to back up your criticism. It amounts to name-calling without backup of reasoned argument.
All ! said was:
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You just projected as to why you are posting here.
You lied!
biomystic wrote:
Logic: analogy to do your heavy lifting thinking for you to understand: only fools
Matthew 5:22....but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
biomystic wrote:
would listen to the negative opinions of a football fan who hates baseball and has never played the game, never wanted to learned the rules of the game, and on top of it, goes around with his fellow football fans all of them pretending the game of baseball doesn't exist, only football does. But yet all over the world people know that baseball exists and these people who say it doesn't are loony.
Take me out to the ballgame...
You obviously don't know any Non-believers. Most of them were indoctrinated into one of your cults as children. Because they have grown up and actually read your Buybull, Non-believers generally know it better than most of the adherents. The proof is that we score higher on just about all religious tests and surveys. They have been there and done that.

You are not doing a very good job of coming on the Atheism Forum and pretending to be the smartest one in the room. We have seen your ilk before. Your posts are nothing but bashing people you do not know or understand. Here is some real proof:
biomystic wrote:
It's a waste of time to argue with atheists....

...atheists as internet trolls...

...that London fog we hear about spreading between your ears...

...my Olds Cutlass Supreme says you are the ignorant outsider ...

Silly tiny minded atheists actually think name-calling constitutes a rational defense of their failed ideology.

Jewish atheist bullshite....

....Evangelical Atheism..

"Evangelical Atheists" really does fit these atheist trolls who as we see above are just here like nine-year boys to throw mud pies at adults. Mud pies in the form of rather stupid soundbite slurs that children would make.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#77 Dec 20, 2013
Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to set aside his views on religion out of political considerations. He repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science.[1] It is generally accepted by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[2][3] The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated, however reputable Hitler biographers Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree Hitler was anti-Christian. This view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann which are contained within Hitler's Table Talk, an influential translation of which was completed by historian Hugh Trevor-Roper.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#78 Dec 20, 2013
During his early career, and for a variety of reasons, Hitler made various public comments against non-Nazi atheistic (i.e. "Bolshevik") movements, and in favour of so-called positive Christianity (a movement which sought to purge Christianity of its Jewish elements and Apostle's Creed and instill it with Nazi philosophy). Once in power, the Hitler regime sought to reduce the influence of Christianity on German society, though by 1939, despite the encouragement of the Nazi Party, only around 5% of Germans had declared themselves neo-pagan deists (gottglaubig) or atheists.[4] The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as Christians.[5]

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#79 Dec 20, 2013
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and supportive of the separation between church and state, while criticising political Catholicism. He presents a Social Darwinist vision, in which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s, Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted a persecution of the Catholic Church. He launched an effort to co-ordinate German Protestants under a unified Protestant Reich Church under the Deutsche Christen movement, but the attempt failed and was resisted by the Confessing Church. He angered the churches by appointing the neo-pagan Alfred Rosenberg as official Nazi ideologist, and generally permitted or encouraged anti-church radicals such as Himmler, Goebbels and Bormann to conduct their persecutions of the churches. Smaller religious minorities faced far harsher repression, with the Jews of Germany expelled for extermination on the grounds of racist ideology and Jehovah's Witnesses ruthlessly persecuted for refusing military service, and any allegiance to Hitlerism.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#80 Dec 20, 2013
Kershaw wrote that few people could really claim to "know" Hitler - "he was by temperament a very private, even secretive individual", unwilling to confide in others.[6] In Hitler's Table Talk Hitler often voiced stridently negative views of Christianity. Bullock wrote that Hitler was a rationalist and materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion "fit for slaves", and against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest.[7] Richard J. Evans wrote that Hitler used a Nazi variant of the language of Social Darwinism to persuade his followers that what they were doing was justified by "history, science and nature". Biographer John Toland, while noting Hitler's antagonism to the Pope and Catholic Church hierarchy, drew links between Hitler's Catholic background and his antisemitism.[8] Steigmann-Gall saw a "Christian element" in Hitler's early writings; and wrote that while use of the term "positive Christianity" in the Nazi Party Program of 1920 is commonly regarded as a tactical measure", he himself believes that it was "more than a political ploy for winning votes" and instead adhered to an "inner logic" - though anti-Christians later fought to "expunge Christian influence from Nazism" and that the movement became "increasingly hostile to the churches".[9] Following meetings with Hitler, General Gerhard Engel and Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber wrote that Hitler was a believer. Kershaw cites Faulhaber's encounter as an example of Hitler's ability to "pull the wool over the eyes of even hardened critics". Laurence Rees concludes that "Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[10]

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#81 Dec 20, 2013
You atheists better read all that above me. I copied the words from the Wikipedia.

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