Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Feb 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Q-Notes

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>was just curious, was it at or through an affiliated college or was it like an institute class offered at a church?
Actually? There were 3-- took me 3 years to complete (9 months each).

The course was written by a group of PhD's within the Methodist hierarchy-- I have forgotten who, it's been awhile. Most were professors at various Methodist universities here or there.

It was considered college-level, though. I've had dumber courses, with less demand, from University, if you want a comparison.

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<quoted text>riiiight. sorry but there is a big difference between the dark olive skin of the semitics and the black skin of the africans.
So? You have a point? Or is your bigotry so deeply ingrained that you simply cannot let this one go: Moses-- were he real-- would have been considered **black** by most US standards.
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so, even if the story is a myth, it still is a Biblical story of an inter-racial marriage that god does not condemn.
WTF? Hardly-- there is more than sufficient condemnation of inter-racial marriages in the bible.

In fact? The bible considers "jewish" to be a race all by itself, and marriage outside of that, takes very special rules that must strictly be followed--or else.

Go study up on marrying a gentile; you'd likely be surprised at all the rules that *must* be obeyed *or**else*.(death)

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>how about you post a reference for your claim so that we can look at it and see if it be so.
you might be onto something. Jesus never rode in a car, never flew in an airplane, never ate a twinkee, never listen to a radio or used a cell phone, i don't see where he even crossed a bridge.
you are really coming across as a wacko. Jesus wore clothes made out of cloth you know and did ride in a boat made by man. i'm sure glad clothes might be ok.
I'm coming across as a whacko-- because I am using YOUR OWN BOOK here!

Duuuuh!

I am so glad you FINALLY SEE MY POINT: YOUR BOOK MAKES PEOPLE INTO WHACKOS!

You included.....

... Good!

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>two choices are really obvious. do you believe in creation or do you believe in evolution?
i'll bet we can get a majority opinion about which is the atheist's view.
Neither.

Belief is ASSuming that something is true, without a single FACT to back it up.

So no-- I do not BELIEVE in evolution at all.

I have no need-- there are so many FACTS backing it up, faith(belief) is superfluous.

In fact? That would be very DANGEROUS: for faith PREVENTS a person from changing his/her mind, if NEW FACTS show up!

Why do you think you religious loons keep trying to claim evolution is not true? YOUR FAITH PREVENTS YOU FROM SEEING THE FACTS.

Faith is literally damaging to your ability to learn new facts.

Something YOU have demonstrated repeatedly....!

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>so as history tends to repeat its self. some would say that a cycle to Biblical type morality is bound to come around again.
Only if evil, religious nut-jobs get in charge of things once more.

For if we look at History? ANY TIME you Christians are IN CHARGE?(really-really IN charge--without a hold-back, like the US Constitution to inhibit your behaviors?)

We see a quick rise of atrocity, including subjugation of women, children, non-members of the *group*(whatever that means under the theocracy-- they MUST have an *out* group to hate-- or they do not thrive). A re-emergence of slavery, the re-introduction of killing "criminals" for ANY little old thing...

... you know: The Dark Ages, when Genuine Christianity™ was In Charge of Europe...
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now i wonder if your ranting against the Bible is matched by any ranting on your part against the koran? as it seems to be dominating europe. good luck with that one.
I see the Quoran as equally EVIL as your BuyBull is.

Both are horrid books of evil.

But YOU don't agree--so I have no need to argue against the ugly, evil quoran here, DO I?

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Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I can go through 600 - 800 pages a day. It is self taught speed reading (think Evelyn Woods), I do though have to really be interested in the subject matter. I had read over 15,000 books when I quit counting them, and gave myself permission to trash rather than finish anything that I didn't like. I credit my OCD!
Do you have some evidence that would prove Bob, to have not read it?
You too? I remember the first book I gave myself permission to NOT read-- it was the original Gulliver's Travels... as boring a book as has been written.:)

Oh, that's not fair: The Great Gatsby was 100 times worse-- I had that ugly book forced on me more than once in College.

Good thing I read fast... minimizes the discomfort of reading what was allegedly "good" to a small degree.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You too? I remember the first book I gave myself permission to NOT read-- it was the original Gulliver's Travels... as boring a book as has been written.:)
Oh, that's not fair: The Great Gatsby was 100 times worse-- I had that ugly book forced on me more than once in College.
Good thing I read fast... minimizes the discomfort of reading what was allegedly "good" to a small degree.
A great books to read...

Bury my heart at wounded knee - by Dee Brown
Silent Spring by Rachel Carson
Ain't nobodies business if you do by Peter McWilliams

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Hold hell! Do you even comprehend English?

Smh
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so you disagree with GML?
gml said this:
" There is no such thing as an atheist view of history."
oh that's right, he changed his position on that later and admitted that he had a view on history.

now while "Modern secular morality is SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY to your ugly bible's." you will have to admit that what "modern secular morality" believes today will not be the same and in fact it might very well be rejected 10 years from now. so how superior is that? sounds to me that you are building your morality on the shifting sands of the whims of secularists.

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70 years ago certain passages were not used as much or in the same way. Words changed to fit their viewpoint just as words change to fit your viewpoint.
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<quoted text>ok, then don't call me an apologetic. because 70 years ago the Bible still said that moses was married to an ethiopian. and the book of the Song of Solomon still was a love story between a black[dark] women and a white king.

so if you can not show where i would have changed except perhaps to admit error and become more accurate in my position, don't lump me with those who would stick their finger in the air and try to get out in front of popular trends.

the passages i used clearly defined the term and the function of the term. you are the one who wants to isolate scripture and take iit out of its context simply to make an unfounded accusation.

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Exactly. Moses is most likely a heroic compilation based on several men.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>So? You have a point? Or is your bigotry so deeply ingrained that you simply cannot let this one go: Moses-- were he real-- would have been considered **black** by most US standards.

barry wrote, "
so, even if the story is a myth, it still is a Biblical story of an inter-racial marriage that god does not condemn."

WTF? Hardly-- there is more than sufficient condemnation of inter-racial marriages in the bible.

In fact? The bible considers "jewish" to be a race all by itself, and marriage outside of that, takes very special rules that must strictly be followed--or else.

Go study up on marrying a gentile; you'd likely be surprised at all the rules that *must* be obeyed *or**else*.(death)

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You too? I remember the first book I gave myself permission to NOT read-- it was the original Gulliver's Travels... as boring a book as has been written.:)
Oh, that's not fair: The Great Gatsby was 100 times worse-- I had that ugly book forced on me more than once in College.
Good thing I read fast... minimizes the discomfort of reading what was allegedly "good" to a small degree.
For a long time, I truly believed that if someone actually took the time to write a book, then there would be some redeeming value, somewhere in it. I had but to find it.

Boy was I wrong, and damn it felt good to let go of the obligation on my part to find that gem among the refuse. If there is one there, and it is that well hidden, I've found that I can happily live without ever finding it.

Far too often though, the only joy certain books brought me was seeing them covered with coffee grounds, bagged and sitting curbside.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Exactly. Moses is most likely a heroic compilation based on several men.
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At a bare-minimum.

What is far more likely? Is that Moses is compiled out of the whole cloth-- that is, he was never even close to being a real, historical person, but was always legendary in scope, copied from other similar legendary (and equally mythic) men.

I have little doubt that nothing of the bible pre-dates 500BCE, which puts all of the Moses legends firmly into the "mythology" category-- as there were no Hebrews or Isralites prior to 500BCE... at all. They simply did not exist as a people.

Their "holy" books were fabricated out of other legendary sources, to fit what the nascent priest-class required to keep them in beer, virgins and roasted goat.

They deliberately wrote the "oldest" books to **appear** as if it were older than the time of it's creation, around 500BCE or so.

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Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>For a long time, I truly believed that if someone actually took the time to write a book, then there would be some redeeming value, somewhere in it. I had but to find it.

Boy was I wrong, and damn it felt good to let go of the obligation on my part to find that gem among the refuse. If there is one there, and it is that well hidden, I've found that I can happily live without ever finding it.

Far too often though, the only joy certain books brought me was seeing them covered with coffee grounds, bagged and sitting curbside.
:)

I can well relate to that one-- I've slogged through some doggerel, that barely qualified as the "words in a row" sort of rubbish.

I usually had a motive to complete it, more often than not, either a sense of completeness (as in the final book in a long series) or else credit for a class.

I learned a hard lesson my senior year in High School: I slogged, dragged, waded and wallowed through the horrid drivel known as "Anna Karenna". Yeah, I used every bit of my speed-reading skill, and skimmed over vast passages of nothing-ness.

All to complete a final exam in my Honors English. I passed with a "B" grade... meh. What really drove the lesson home? My college got an "A" and freely admitted (to me--not to the Dragon who was pretending to be a "teacher") he'd only read the Cliff Notes--several repetitions, but that's all he'd read.

I never forgot that lesson, and unless the forced-upon-me novel was short? I'd go for the Condensed version, if one was available, if the book in question was dreck.

Too much of "literature" that was supposed to be "classic" and "good for you" and "you must read" has turned out to be.... absolute **drek**. Sludge. Reading the binary code created by fresh-cut grass-stems' varying lengths would be a better use of your time, than slogging through some of these... ahem... "classics".

... meh.

If a book cannot figuratively reach out and grab you by the provibal throat? Or at least make you emote so much you cannot put it down, in order to see what happens next?

Then it's not worth the bother, IMO. Life's too short to slog through someone's "words in a row" just because some Ivory-Tower "expert" says it's "good literature".

What do they know, anyhow? There's authors, critics, teachers and at the very bottom of that list? Literature "professors" who have never in their life created so much as a readable paragraph.

<laughing>

Is this a subject about which I've given a lot of thought to? Yep...

:D

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Aron Ra has a great video on just this subject. Even shows how the Ten Commandments myth were stolen from other cultures.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>At a bare-minimum.

What is far more likely? Is that Moses is compiled out of the whole cloth-- that is, he was never even close to being a real, historical person, but was always legendary in scope, copied from other similar legendary (and equally mythic) men.

I have little doubt that nothing of the bible pre-dates 500BCE, which puts all of the Moses legends firmly into the "mythology" category-- as there were no Hebrews or Isralites prior to 500BCE... at all. They simply did not exist as a people.

Their "holy" books were fabricated out of other legendary sources, to fit what the nascent priest-class required to keep them in beer, virgins and roasted goat.

They deliberately wrote the "oldest" books to **appear** as if it were older than the time of it's creation, around 500BCE or so.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Aron Ra has a great video on just this subject. Even shows how the Ten Commandments myth were stolen from other cultures.
:)
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I'll go look-- I've seen a fair number of his vids, most of which I liked.

Thanks

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>and what references from the Bible did you use to let the Bible interpret its self?
The part where it says that Jeptha promised a burn offering and that his vow was carried out.

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>war is war. there is no end of it unless the source of it is eliminated.
This statement is a prime example for why Christians have been the cause of most genocides throughout history.
barry wrote:
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now as for bastards you will have to explain your use of the word condemn. you know, give some examples of how it was applied. they certainly weren't condemned to hell.
Deut. 23:2,“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation.”

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I think it is the one were he takes genesis apart.
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<quoted text>I'll go look-- I've seen a fair number of his vids, most of which I liked.

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