Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1635 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry

Pisgah, AL

#1570 May 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed it does-- how do you think I lost all my faith in it?
By READING THE WHOLE THING-- COVER-TO-COVER.
That is how.
No self-respecting god would suffer such as the evil bible to even EXIST-- it literally taints the whole idea of "god", simply by existing!
That?
That is 100% proof the bible is not from any god-- and no god who gives a crap exists, either.
Thanks for playing!
read it again.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1571 May 24, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Doubt? You doubt? The buybull says that you will keep all laws and commands, everyone of them. No exceptions.
Is there a new buybull that negates the old ones?
really? prove it.
the law has been fulfilled.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1572 May 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really? prove it.
the law has been fulfilled.
have you told us what denomination - if any - you belong to? or what your views are on any ethical matters, or economic, political, or social policies? do your views on theology shape your views on other matters which I listed? or others?
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1573 May 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I live far from the Tornado Corridor-- intentionally so.
I often thought it would be in everyone's best interests to convert those areas into rural land or even better-- animal refuges / re-forestation projects.
Keep people out of there, apart from recreational activities.
I mean-- we don't let people build houses directly on a fault line, or in front of lava, right?...right?
What?
We do?
....!!!!
Oh well.... stupid is, as stupid does, I guess.
Most will rebuild-- to get there home demolished in another 3-4 years or less...
... that's the average record for certain areas, of longevity before another twister wipes it out.
But...
... Praze Jayzus! We'un's'll ReBuild Again! Bless-lord!
(uggg)
and they will mostly vote for Senator Inhofe - the world's most adamant defender of coal and gas and oil corporate interests and profits, and denier of global warming or human influences causing part of it.(what I understand from the last report is the climate change increases the fierceness of hurricanes, tornado events, rainstorms (or periods without rain), snowstorms, etc.

no, not for poor animals to suffer. better to let adults who vote for Inhofe live there and suffer - except that I would be sorry for their innocent pets and children. just send all Republican rightwingers to live there, that would be best.

send their pets and children elsewhere, however.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1574 May 24, 2013
there are major religious attitudes that I find horrible, which relate to the tornado issue.

one - that God is punishing humans for sins

two - that God will make miracles and most people will survive, or that even if one survives it is a miracle from God (the storm itself presumably not being from God - either fromnature or the devil, perhaps?)

three- that all that happens is good and part of God's plan, so don't feel bad about it
four - that all will be made OK in an afterlife
(presumably for the pets also, or else their little lives don't matter)

I freely admit it caring more about whether animals survived than whether Inhofe-voters survived. Unless, the inhofe-voters also made efforts to save their animals, which would redeem them!

At least they should have storm shelters in schools and big public places.. spend their extra money on that instead of tithes to churches.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1575 May 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Mad Max - the second not coming.
<quoted text>
How little did we realize, that the name of that movie, was foreshadowing of the insanity to come?

<laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1576 May 24, 2013
Bo Donaldson wrote:
Billy, don't be a hero, don't be a fool with your life.
Agreed: don't waste it on nonexistent, invisible wishing machines (god) that never-ever grant you any wishes.

(John 16:23 KJV ... Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.)

Clearly, this is a false promise of wish-fulfillment-- as the bible-god never manages to actually... grant them.

Proof?

The millions of Genuine Christian™ children who die each and every day-- needlessly, if the bible's wishing-machine were actually ... real.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1577 May 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>read it again.
I did.

I was even more disappointed than before.

It is so full of evil, of misogyny, of oppression, of pro-slavery?

That it cannot possibly be from anything good.

Proof-positive there are no gods who give a damn about humanity-- for permitting such a horrid book of evil to even exist.

And to allow it to delude people such as ... you.

In fact?

YOU are also proof-positive there CANNOT POSSIBLY BE A GOD OF ANY SORT.

What self-respecting god would suffer the likes of .. YOU to be it's spokes-person?

Hmmmm?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1578 May 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really? prove it.
the law has been fulfilled.
More proof of NO-god-- the near-total insanity of this poster, who claims to speak FOR god?

Proves beyond a doubt, that there are no gods-- what god would permit such as this, to speak for it?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1579 May 24, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> and they will mostly vote for Senator Inhofe - the world's most adamant defender of coal and gas and oil corporate interests and profits, and denier of global warming or human influences causing part of it.(what I understand from the last report is the climate change increases the fierceness of hurricanes, tornado events, rainstorms (or periods without rain), snowstorms, etc.
no, not for poor animals to suffer. better to let adults who vote for Inhofe live there and suffer - except that I would be sorry for their innocent pets and children. just send all Republican rightwingers to live there, that would be best.
send their pets and children elsewhere, however.
I would say that Inhoffe is an embarrassment to Oklahoma?

Except that humanity itself has a prior claim: Inhoffe is an embarrassment to the human race....

... our cousins, the Chimpanzees are laughing their azzes off because of him...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1580 May 24, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
there are major religious attitudes that I find horrible, which relate to the tornado issue.

one - that God is punishing humans for sins

two - that God will make miracles and most people will survive, or that even if one survives it is a miracle from God (the storm itself presumably not being from God - either fromnature or the devil, perhaps?)

three- that all that happens is good and part of God's plan, so don't feel bad about it

four - that all will be made OK in an afterlife
(presumably for the pets also, or else their little lives don't matter)

I freely admit it caring more about whether animals survived than whether Inhofe-voters survived. Unless, the inhofe-voters also made efforts to save their animals, which would redeem them!

At least they should have storm shelters in schools and big public places.. spend their extra money on that instead of tithes to churches.
Remember the senile-but-insane Pat Robertson?

And his claims that "enabling gay marriage causes god to send hurricanes/tornadoes"?

Well... here in the reddest-of-the-red states? Gay marriage is specifically prohibited-- not by omission, but specifically and by law, illegal.

Yet, we get the F5 tornado.... for the 4th time in a dozen years...

... WTF is THAT about, mr Robertson? Care to 'splain?

... meh.
Guy Wiliford

Vinita, OK

#1581 May 24, 2013
Billy Graham's legacy is going to be just fine. This will be nothing more than a footnote in his story.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1582 May 24, 2013
Guy Wiliford wrote:
Billy Graham's legacy is going to be just fine. This will be nothing more than a footnote in his story.
Make that: "his sad, story of a failed con-artist"
Imhotep

Morristown, TN

#1583 May 24, 2013
Guy Wiliford wrote:
Billy Graham's legacy is going to be just fine. This will be nothing more than a footnote in his story.
Like Jerry foul well Tammy Faye Bakker?
I love the way Siri says Falwell! LOL

1957 and Billy Graham got the televangelist circus on the road. What a star – still serving up hot Jesus half a century later. Pastor-in-Chief helped George W Bush hear voices. Don't mention anti-Semitic indiscretions of the 1970s.

Salary package from Bill Graham Evangelistic Organization "modest" by Jesus Inc. standards (estimated at $450,000.) Instead, Billy basks in the presence of the rich, famous and powerful.

In 1999 Billy Graham Newspapers estimated Graham's Christian empire, which had over 10 million followers, grossed $100 million annually.

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Since: Mar 11

United States

#1584 May 24, 2013
Bullsht and you know it. Why didn't Abraham use some other way for a burnt offering then?

Sorry but you are really going out of your way changing the meaning of terms as it pleases you. The Hebrew term for burnt offering is crystal clear. We even have Abraham clearly demonstrating it.

Again if you do not like what the bible says I say shun it instead of these childish apologetic games. Oh and the icing on the cake? Not a single Jewish or Christian leader ever mentioned another option than an actual burnt offering for her was in the late 18th century when the story started getting heat.

Nuff said.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>
the hebrew words for "burnt offering" literally do not contain nor do they have any direct correlation

Since: Mar 11

United States

#1585 May 24, 2013
So all angels in heaven are of The Lord right? There aren't any free lance angels right? Any angels of Charlie?

No.

My point stands.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>look, there are several times, two very clear times which i posted that would indicate that the "angel of the Lord" is God himself. why use the term "angel of the Lord"? because the holiness of God himself can not be viewed by man so god would have to apear in another form.
we are not talking about "other" angels.
the one who takled to abraham was the "angel op the Lord".
so there is no humiliation on my part

just a refusal on your part to accept the obvious.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1586 May 24, 2013
Jesus said he was not there to change the ancient laws. Abraham in today's day and age would be looked at like a monster sociopath right?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>yes, God did make some laws specifically for a certain time. others were changed by God in the NT as they were no longer applicable. and others were specific only to the children of Israel. so rethink your position if you can.
Lincoln

United States

#1587 May 24, 2013
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1588 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.
As Lincoln proves everyday to us here in the atheist forum - "faith makes liars of us all"

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1589 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.
If you need to lie to your kids to get them to believe in god, the child abuse has already begun...

When a grown adult tells you to talk to thin air, the child thinks "my parent is a raving lunatic"..until the doubt is spanked away and the brainwashing begins...

Isn't that right Lincoln? Bring back memories?

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