Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1635 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry

Pisgah, AL

#1490 May 22, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> the sacrifices are horrid - do you suppose that priestly types from ages ago started the commandment to bring the best of first fruits, in order to get something free to eat?
I do object to the term buybull, however. Better to reference the site - I think it is called evil Bible - where all the evil things in the Bible are quoted. People can get offended by the word buybull, and defend it against the insult. But let them try to defend all the specific evil things in the Bible - that is more difficult.
if you read the book you will find that some of the sacrifices were to be eaten by the priests. so maybe God set it up that way to provide for his servants.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1491 May 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So a burnt offering isn't a burnt offering?
Your biblical fan fiction is funny :))
<quoted text>
nor is an offering an offering unless it is acceptable to God.
now do you realize that the literal hebrew words that are translated burnt offering literally have nothing to do with burning. they literally mean "to go up". so the hebrew word for burnt offering is metaphorical. if you burn it it goes up. but there are other ways for it to go up to God. read the book.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1492 May 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>if you read the book you will find that some of the sacrifices were to be eaten by the priests. so maybe God set it up that way to provide for his servants.
more like the priests set up God to fool people into providing for them. most recently with fancier stuff, like mansions and expensive cars and tv shows to feed their egos.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1493 May 22, 2013
Yes Bart shows hundreds of examples where the NT is wrong or even forged at later dates.

Oh and what was Jephthah's vow again? Burnt offering. Did he keep his vow? Yes. No surprise your god Ben says to stone your children to death for being disobedient.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, once again you do not post a quote from a link. i would finally call you a liar but i think you're just making it up as a result of how badly you wish it could be.
i posted a quote from BE in his book "interrupting Jesus" that clearly says that he thinks the tf was written by josephus just that it was tampered with to give a stronger support to the CC. and i posted an interview that he did where he explains it even deeper. he believes that josephus may have written the tf in a more neutral form and that someone maybe.

you have posted nothing.
btw BE is not my hero. you tried to use him to support your position that earlier copies do not contain the tf.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1494 May 22, 2013
Best learn to read and comprehend.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>but the author of that translation acknowledges that he chose to ignore the tf.
keep trying.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1495 May 22, 2013
Well it quotes some of them :)
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>isn't there some site called evil bible, that quotes all the horrid parts in the Bible?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1496 May 22, 2013
When they were disobedient god ordered his people to murder their own children by cruelly stoning them to death. Can you give an acceptable reason to stone a child to death?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>nice try. care to explain to us how that was supposed to happen?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1497 May 22, 2013
The original Hebrew has Jephthah's vow as the same word for what Abraham was to do to Isaac. What did Yahweh want him to do to Isaac again?

Oh and if you want to randomly change the meanings of words in the bible to fit your views others can do the same to completely invalidate the bible.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>nor is an offering an offering unless it is acceptable to God.
now do you realize that the literal hebrew words that are translated burnt offering literally have nothing to do with burning. they literally mean "to go up". so the hebrew word for burnt offering is metaphorical. if you burn it it goes up. but there are other ways for it to go up to God. read the book.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1498 May 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes Bart shows hundreds of examples where the NT is wrong or even forged at later dates.
Oh and what was Jephthah's vow again? Burnt offering. Did he keep his vow? Yes. No surprise your god Ben says to stone your children to death for being disobedient.
<quoted text>
i,m sure, 100's but none that you can think of or post a link from him to support your claim.

i think that i am noticing a pattern here.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1499 May 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Best learn to read and comprehend.
<quoted text>
you're the one who keeps posting links that gon't come close to saying what you say they say. so now, who needs to "learn to read and comprehend"?

you must be kin to bob.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1500 May 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
When they were disobedient god ordered his people to murder their own children by cruelly stoning them to death. Can you give an acceptable reason to stone a child to death?
<quoted text>
i see that you didn't answer the question.

barry wrote:
<quoted text>nice try. care to explain to us how that was supposed to happen?

i really don't think that you can as God never said any such thing as you claim.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1501 May 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The original Hebrew has Jephthah's vow as the same word for what Abraham was to do to Isaac. What did Yahweh want him to do to Isaac again?
Oh and if you want to randomly change the meanings of words in the bible to fit your views others can do the same to completely invalidate the bible.
<quoted text>
for once you at least make a coherent point. except that God did not accept the sacrifice of isaac did he? issac was not an acceptable sacrifice. he allowed a substitute to take his place. Abraham obeyed God with an alternative sacrifice provided by God.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1502 May 22, 2013
Links you never click? We've been through that with you and either you don't click them or comprehend the information in them.

Again what was Jephthah's vow? Burnt offering. Did he keep that vow? Yes.

Meanwhile children were being stoned to death for disobeying their parents.... As ordered by Yahweh.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i,m sure, 100's but none that you can think of or post a link from him to support your claim.

i think that i am noticing a pattern here.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1503 May 22, 2013
Projection.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you're the one who keeps posting links that gon't come close to saying what you say they say. so now, who needs to "learn to read and comprehend"?

you must be kin to bob.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1504 May 22, 2013
Give me an example where it is appropriate to stone your child to death?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

I know what the bible says, of course you will probably have an apologetic rational that requires the changing of words yes?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i see that you didn't answer the question.

barry wrote:
<quoted text>nice try. care to explain to us how that was supposed to happen?

i really don't think that you can as God never said any such thing as you claim.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1505 May 22, 2013
Actually it was an angel that told Abraham to stop, not Yahweh.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>for once you at least make a coherent point. except that God did not accept the sacrifice of isaac did he? issac was not an acceptable sacrifice. he allowed a substitute to take his place. Abraham obeyed God with an alternative sacrifice provided by God.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1506 May 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that's nice. so don't then argue about what the Bible says. if you won't let the Bible interpret it's self, then just leave it alone. who made you the authority to interpret it?
I am letting the bible interpret itself. It is you who are trying to rewrite it.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1507 May 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>Deuteronomy 24 is talking about civil law. vengeance nor justice should be taken out on the children because of the sins of the father.
Yet in the bible, God's warriors massacre men , women and children.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>
Exekiel 18 is Talking about God's eternal judgement for sin. we are condemned for our own sin.
Yet the bible says that those who have bastards; that they and their descendants should be condemned for several generations

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1508 May 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that is your opinion. Abraham had no problem with it. it probably gave him a better understanding of God. he knew that isaac was a son of promise, that many people would come from him. he trusted God's promise and was confident that God would have to raise him up.
This response has nothing to do with my statement. If God wanted to tell Abraham that he son was the son of promise, all he had to do was tell him rather then play a cruel trick on him.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1509 May 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Links you never click? We've been through that with you and either you don't click them or comprehend the information in them.
Again what was Jephthah's vow? Burnt offering. Did he keep that vow? Yes.
Meanwhile children were being stoned to death for disobeying their parents.... As ordered by Yahweh.
<quoted text>
funny how i've clicked on everyone of your links and had to show you that your links did not say what you claimed they said so you can come out of your fantasy world and accept reality or admit that thaty lie is an old tactic that doesn't work here.

you refuse to accept the parameters of a "burnt offering" so since you do not accept how it would work then you really have no place in that discussion.

Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

so in looking at these two verses, the Bible says that Issac was "offered up" but the question is did he die on the alter? the obvious answer is no. so jeptha did not have to kill his daughter to offer her up or to complete his vow. her life was not an acceptable burnt offering. if he had offered it he would have been committing an abomination. God would have rejected it and he would have been condemned as others were who offered unacceptable offerings. he fulfilled his vow in scriptural agreement with the levetical law. if you can't understand that it is only because you refuse to.

now you keep making a claim that children were stoned for disobeying their parents. however you #1 are wrong.#2 you can not explain to us the process required to even stone a child and #3 you can not find one instance where it is recorded that it actually happened.
you are distorting the truth mainly because you don't know any better and are simply parroting something that you read from your apologetic sources.

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