Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1637 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry

Pisgah, AL

#1367 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Maybe and your opinion is irrelevant. Yahweh ordered him to sacrifice his son. An angel, not Yahweh, told him to stop. Those are the facts.
<quoted text>
maybe your lack of understanding of the possible meaning of the term "angle of the Lord" is relevant and leads you to your misguided understanding.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1368 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Older copies of his work do not contain the Jesus passages. It was Origin I believe who forged the Jesus passages in.
<quoted text>
that would be a very rare opinion as origen himself references the writings of josephus but does not appear to reference the "antiquities" or the tf.
if he forged it wouldn't you think he'e reference it?
Thinking

Magherafelt, UK

#1369 May 15, 2013
My point is you're too cu*ting thick to spell "altar" properly.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>not on that alter. but as an old man. so what is your point?
amcummer

Minneapolis, MN

#1370 May 15, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
Billy is an awhole like most pastors.
He was more of a political figure than a theology expert meaning he know where to scratch other people etches.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1371 May 15, 2013
Uhhhm... Wow... No seriously wow....
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that would be a very rare opinion as origen himself references the writings of josephus but does not appear to reference the "antiquities" or the tf.
if he forged it wouldn't you think he'e reference it?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1372 May 15, 2013
http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

Sorry it was Eusebius.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>there are no "older copies of his work [that] do not contain the Jesus passages" at least as far as i can find. perhaps you can link to some that support your claim.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1373 May 15, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
They love quoting Joe, even though he was not even a near contemporary of any biblical figure.
Yep.

They literally have to make up sh7t.

And why not?

Making up sh7t has been a Christian Tradition™ since it was invented.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1374 May 15, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we keep your dating habits out of it?
I know you fantasize about having your way with sheep and goats.

And I also know that no self-respecting sheep or goat will have you; likely due to your offensive, unwashed body-odor...

(and that's got to be some serious stench-- if a GOAT won't have you!)

But that's okay. Maybe you can date a slug or perhaps a dead skunk.

It would be better if you kept to your own species...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1375 May 15, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
If you look at the buybull, you will see two different creation stories. One where plants and animals were created first, then man and women jointly. The second has Adam being created first, then animals. It is only when the all knowing God realizes that Adam is not satisfied with the animals, that he creates women. In other words, God expected Adam to fk animals. Interestingly, no mention is made of God creating male and female animals separately. So the all knowing God thought that Adam should engage in a menage with male and female animals before coming to the conclusion that Adam needed a female, not female animals.

The reason I posted this story was to add to your point. You said that the bible considers women to be less the animals. It is interesting that in the 2nd story of creation, all living things are considered as objects for us men to own and to pleasure us. Women come after animals when God realized that animal fking is not good.
Good point-- the creation of animals before Eve, clearly shows the bible places animals above women, in the bible....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1376 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>there you go again. claiming that someone put a forgery into every copy of his work in question. or is it that someone destroyed every copy of his unforged work in question?
you see we have no copies of his work without the supposed forged sections. amazing.
It is amazing how thorough your early Genuine Christian Liars™ were, when it came to protecting their myths.

In fact? They would frequently put people to the torch, in order to protect their myths ... all too frequently it seems.

Sickening.

But typical of a hate-cult.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1377 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>there you go again. claiming that someone put a forgery into every copy of his work in question. or is it that someone destroyed every copy of his unforged work in question?
you see we have no copies of his work without the supposed forged sections. amazing.
A better question to ask, is HOW do scholars KNOW it's forgeries?

Easy: the word usage in the "jesus" bits.

In ALL the rest of Josephus' works, he uses a specific vocabulary, that agrees with the time he was alive.

The exception, is the "jesus" part-- which uses >>different<< vocabulary-- in fact? The vocabulary is much newer than when Josephus was alive.

So.

Unless Josephus has a Time Machine, and looked forward in time, and carefully selected future-vocabulary for ONLY that ONE section about Jesus?

Or?

Someone from a time LATER than when Josephus lived, added that bit, using their own contemporary vocabulary...

Which is it?

A Time Machine?

Or some, later Editor?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1378 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>if you wish to claim knowledge about levitical sacrifices then you must accept the standards and rules of those sacrifices found in the book of leviticus.
Why? Because YOU say so?

<laughing my azz off here>

Your bible is SO internally CONTRADICTORY!

Too funny!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1379 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so i guess you will now show where the Bible says that no one should suffer for the sins of their ancestors [fathers]?
What?

Are you saying that it IS JUST to let DESCENDENTS suffer for actions THEY HAD NO PART OF?

Wow....!

You >>ARE<< saying that!

This is why YOUR god is LESS JUST than modern humans!

We think that making DESCENDANTS suffer from the "sins" of their ancestors....

.... is ...

..... wrong.

Your god is a failure.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1380 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>we all know the quotes in question concerning Jesus. how ever why don't you show us or link for us the quotes in question concerning hercules and zeus? i'll bet we find a different picture than what you are trying to illustrate.
<laughing out loud here>

You are sounding quite ... desperate....!!!

<still laughing>

I do not care, doofus! You are welcome to your delusions.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1381 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text> and i see that you don't know the answer to the question either.
Your desperation grows stronger...

.... <laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1382 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>now let's see;you are basing the whole of your argument on one word from one verse. i have used several passages even one from the NT and including the whole of the story itself to explain the complete context.
so who is cherry-picking here?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>now if you want to discuss how he fulfilled a levitical vow then you must consider how the book of leviticus says ....
You are: you cherry-pick EVERY TIME YOU POST.

Here's proof:

Have you stoned your neighbor for working on a Saturday (Sabbath) as commanded in the bible? Or do you CHERRY-PICK to IGNORE that command?

Have you stoned your back-talking children, as commanded by the bible? Or do you CHERRY-PICK to IGNORE that command?

Have you sold ALL that you own, and given it to the poor, and gone to live in a synagog, as COMMANDED by your Jesus?

Or do you CHERRY-PICK to IGNORE that command?

I bet you cherry-pick-- it's what ALL you hypocrites (christians) do.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1383 May 15, 2013
amcummer wrote:
<quoted text> He was more of a political figure than a theology expert meaning he know where to scratch other people etches.
That could get someone arrested, dependant on the value of said etchings.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1384 May 15, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>maybe your lack of understanding of the possible meaning of the term "angle of the Lord" is relevant and leads you to your misguided understanding.
Valid point, you have there. What do you think god's angle was?
amcummer

Minneapolis, MN

#1385 May 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>That could get someone arrested, dependant on the value of said etchings.
I can spell itches. But one could get arrested for scratching other peoples itches without their permissions.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1386 May 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
My point is you're too cu*ting thick to spell "altar" properly.
<quoted text>
On the previous page alone ... some real doozies. "Angle, alter, etches, tf and he'e". Add to those, the failure to begin sentences with a capitalized word, no capitalizing names, improper spacing and punctuation in far too many posts. It makes me sad to even witness it.

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