Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1635 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1243 May 11, 2013
Already have Barry, if you are unwilling to click links that is on you.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you might be right, i was just trusting sources non of which were apologetic. maybe you can help us/me out and post a source that agrees with you. i like being right so if i am wrong i will make the adjustment.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1244 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes we have provided several links even videos, I can't help it that you only accept apologetic material.
<quoted text>
once again an unsubstantiated statement. make the claim enough times and magically it must become truth.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1245 May 11, 2013
New screen name again?

Pathetic!
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>all defense responses, pertaining to any subject, are apologetic.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1246 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
See this is why you need to go take a class a real class and not the apologetic church version. Josephus home town was Japhia which he wrote about extensively.
<quoted text>
oh, did i miss another link or supporting site, video maybe?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1247 May 11, 2013
Shhhh your desperation is showing. Now you want to change the definition of words.. Again??

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx...

Stop humiliating yourself.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>where? Givemeliberty wrote:
"All I am doing is showing what the bible clearly illustrates. You are tap dancing around what it clearly says, trying to mix in unrelated passages and even making up your own passages saying she went to work in the most glorious beautiful building in the land!( some sacrifice eh? After that all the dads would be doing the same thing at the begging of their daughters!)"

seems to me you are saying that the dads of israel would be enlisting their daughters for such an honor so there would be no grief involved.

your understanding of the word lament is limited to your understanding of today's english.
it is translated from the hebrew word "tanah" which by definition is to "attribute honor" "to ascribe praise" that is "celebrate and commemorate"
it is also translated rehearse as in;
Judges 5:11
They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water, there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the Lord, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the Lord go down to the gates.
"Strong's Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary"

as far as i can tell "tanah" is only used these two times in the Bible and it really has little to do with mourning but more of remembering and celebrating.
so until you understand the word that produced the translated word "lament" then in context there really is not a lot of sorrow but rather a celebration of her faithfulness.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1248 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Abraham was to kill his son Isaac as ordered by Yahweh.
<quoted text>
the point is; [drum roll please] did he? or did God stop him and provide an option, a substitute that fulfilled the obligation?
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1249 May 11, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>all defense responses, pertaining to any subject, are apologetic.
apologetic if they come from me. but not apologetic if they are not defending anything but happen to support my position. especially if they come from non Christian or non Judeo sources.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#1250 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Abraham was to kill his son Isaac as ordered by Yahweh.
<quoted text>
he didn't though, did he? so you believe that abraham might have understood, or abraham did understand? god had already promised that abraham would become a people through both his sons. god would have to be a liar to renege on his first promise given through melchizedec.

i'm not a christian, or a hebrew.

i don't particularly care for billy graham's understanding of the bible.

furthermore if this god were all powerful; why then does he need sacrifices carried out by patricide, infanticide, or matricide, or anyone for that matter.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#1251 May 11, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>apologetic if they come from me. but not apologetic if they are not defending anything but happen to support my position. especially if they come from non Christian or non Judeo sources.
defense of something is supporting. advocating something is supporting

I can see you got a heart of gold
Pretty sure the best is yet to know
And I ain't got no defense,
Look you're the sweetest liar I know, I know,
But you ain't never played the bass
You ain't never played the bass

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1252 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Shhhh your desperation is showing. Now you want to change the definition of words.. Again??
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx...
Stop humiliating yourself.
<quoted text>
Are you supporting bacon equality? i hope that isn't turkey bacon in your picture and you are trying to say turkey bacon should be equal to 'traditional' bacon...

some activist judges may think that redefinition of bacon is Ok, but the "one true god" (Oscar Meyer) knows this is not the case...
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#1253 May 11, 2013
jesus isn't god.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

ahmi yat ahmi

tat tvam asi

ehyeh asher ehyeah

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1254 May 11, 2013
It is true as proven by you never commenting on links given you.

If your sad apologetic mind won't allow you to that is on you not us. Live your life in ignorance fine with me.

Gives me more people to laugh at!:)
barry wrote:
<quoted text>once again an unsubstantiated statement. make the claim enough times and magically it must become truth.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1255 May 11, 2013
Actually it was an angel that stopped Abraham not Yahweh himself :)

Yahweh ordered him to make a human sacrifice, after that it doesn't matter.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>the point is; [drum roll please] did he? or did God stop him and provide an option, a substitute that fulfilled the obligation?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1256 May 11, 2013
Lol! Perish the thought!:)
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you supporting bacon equality? i hope that isn't turkey bacon in your picture and you are trying to say turkey bacon should be equal to 'traditional' bacon...

some activist judges may think that redefinition of bacon is Ok, but the "one true god" (Oscar Meyer) knows this is not the case...

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1257 May 11, 2013
See you Christian fundamentalists always get caught up in your apologetic nonsense. You want to take the good things about your god and accept with open arms but then want to ignore or explain away the bad. Who are you to judge your god? Who are you to make excuses for the god you pray to?

And yes we all know who you are and that you are a devout Christian. Although it is funny you saying you are not a Christian but then post word for word the standard Christian apologetic talking points.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck?

:)
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>he didn't though, did he? so you believe that abraham might have understood, or abraham did understand? god had already promised that abraham would become a people through both his sons. god would have to be a liar to renege on his first promise given through melchizedec.

i'm not a christian, or a hebrew.

i don't particularly care for billy graham's understanding of the bible.

furthermore if this god were all powerful; why then does he need sacrifices carried out by patricide, infanticide, or matricide, or anyone for that matter.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#1258 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
See you Christian fundamentalists always get caught up in your apologetic nonsense. You want to take the good things about your god and accept with open arms but then want to ignore or explain away the bad. Who are you to judge your god? Who are you to make excuses for the god you pray to?
And yes we all know who you are and that you are a devout Christian. Although it is funny you saying you are not a Christian but then post word for word the standard Christian apologetic talking points.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck?
:)
<quoted text>
if it makes you feel better to believe i'm a christian, more power to you.

i've read the book.

that doesn't mean i worship jesus, or believe in an anthropic ABSOLUTE.

you're doing guilt by association. that is a fallacy as is ad hominems.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1259 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Shhhh your desperation is showing. Now you want to change the definition of words.. Again??
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx...
Stop humiliating yourself.
<quoted text>
so you use a modern dictionary to show what lament means.
you ignore the fact that the word was translated from a hebrew word.
then you ignore what the hebrew word means and how it was used the other time in the Bible.

so perhaps other translations of the Bible will show that it can mean what i said it meant.
En Español
Judges 11:40 (KJ21)
40 that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
Judges 11:40 (ASV)
that the daughters of Israel went yearly to celebrate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
Judges 11:40 (CEB)
for four days every year Israelite daughters would go away to recount the story of the Gileadite Jephthah’s daughter.
Judges 11:40 (DARBY)
that from year to year the daughters of Israel go to celebrate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.
Judges 11:40 (ERV)
Every year the young women of Israel would go out for four days to remember the daughter of Jephthah from Gilead and to cry for her.
Judges 11:40 (EXB)
every year the young women of Israel would go out for four days to remember [commemorate] the daughter of Jephthah from Gilead.
Judges 11:40 (GW)
that for four days every year the girls in Israel would go out to sing the praises of the daughter of Jephthah, the man from Gilead.
Judges 11:40 (HCSB)
that four days each year the young women of Israel would commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
Judges 11:40 (NOG)
that for four days every year the girls in Israel would go out to sing the praises of the daughter of Jephthah, the man from Gilead.
Judges 11:40 (NASB)
that the daughters of Israel went yearly to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.
Judges 11:40 (NCV)
every year the young women of Israel would go out for four days to remember the daughter of Jephthah from Gilead.
Judges 11:40 (NET)
Every year Israelite women commemorate the daughter of Jephthah
the Gileadite for four days.
Judges 11:40 (NIRV)
Each year the young women of Israel go away for four days. They do it in honor of the daughter of Jephthah. He was from the land of Gilead.
Judges 11:40 (NIV)
that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
Judges 11:40 (NIVUK)
that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
Judges 11:40 (WEB)
that the daughters of Israel went yearly to celebrate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

and this one is the most interesting;
Judges 11:40 (YLT)
from time to time the daughters of Israel go to talk to the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite, four days in a year

lament is the word of choice 19 times
mourn 2x
weep 1x
grieve 1x
sorrow 1x
bewail 1x
but
celebrate 3x
sing 2x
honor 1x
commemorate 6x
recount 1x
remember 3x
talk 1x

so what do we have 6x a word that shows real grief is chosen
since one can lament the loss of a game or an opportunity [like having children], real grief or sorrow can not always be ascribed to the word "lament"
but we do have a toltal of 17x that a word is chosen which does not have to imply sorrow.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1260 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually it was an angel that stopped Abraham not Yahweh himself :)
Yahweh ordered him to make a human sacrifice, after that it doesn't matter.
<quoted text>
so God told him and then sent his messenger to stop him. big deal. the "angel of the LORD would lie to abraham?
i would guess that his position as the "angle of the LORD would then be very temporary.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#1261 May 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
See you Christian fundamentalists always get caught up in your apologetic nonsense. You want to take the good things about your god and accept with open arms but then want to ignore or explain away the bad. Who are you to judge your god? Who are you to make excuses for the god you pray to?
And yes we all know who you are and that you are a devout Christian. Although it is funny you saying you are not a Christian but then post word for word the standard Christian apologetic talking points.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck?
:)
<quoted text>
fyi, everything has a dark side, a shadow.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deed...

1 Kings 8:12
Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Psalm 139:12
Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1262 May 11, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>if it makes you feel better to believe i'm a christian, more power to you.
i've read the book.
that doesn't mean i worship jesus, or believe in an anthropic ABSOLUTE.
you're doing guilt by association. that is a fallacy as is ad hominems.
he is calling you a liar. but i can't figure out if he is saying that as a Christian you are denying Christ or as a non believer you are simply a liar.

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