Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1635 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry

Pisgah, AL

#1062 May 6, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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How horrible. Parents killed their children for their imaginary god. Just like Abraham was gonna kill his daughter for his delusion as well.
This remind me of the Story of the Priests of Baal when Elijah challenged the priest to a test of fire to prove their God was real. God his test of fire in this case, and he did not show any evidence of himself.
abraham didn't have a daughter. nor do you seem to understand the significance of the story.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1063 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It isn't a case of not liking your god.
It IS a case of not liking your ugly DESCRIPTION of your ugly god.
That is a subtle, but important distinction.
Your ugly bible's depicting of a tyrant, who is an egomaniac and who delights in murdering on a whim, or for the flimsiest of reasons is what we do not like.
And we do not like your beliefs, either-- you pretend this ugly god is somehow... good.
Right.
And Ted Bundy was just a chef....
are you also "Imhotep"
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1064 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Oh, but I do-- I even mentioned several which I would accept, such as Harvard or Yale.
I'd even accept papers written for respected medical institutions, such as John Hopkins.
I DO understand what accreditation means.
You?
You demonstrate it is YOU who does not...
... you keep FAILING to post links....
... you keep making CLAIMS without proof.
And you seem to be getting more desperate...
really, i happen to work for an accredited college/university and i guarantee that you would not accept anything posted by them. so you either don't know what accredited means or you simply reject anything that would have the audacity to disagree with you.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1065 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Really?
In what delusional and imaginary universe? Your feeble dreamland?
LMAO!
that is your only defense when i posted quotes from your site that actually supported my understanding of the time frame and couldn't find any support for yours. funny how you post a link but don't really quote from it.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1066 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Who gives a sh7t? The fact that he TEACHES RELIGION?
That?
That right there?
Proves that EVERYTHING he says is suspect.
Highly--highly suspect. Does he have a RELIGIOUS AXE to grind?
Who knows?
he doesn't teach religion, he teaches religious studies. he also works for a state university not a private school.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1067 May 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So we see even religious professors can write bubble headed apologetic nonsense.
We have end of the world messianic writings from ancient Egypt on. This only illustrates that NT writers stole what was popular for centuries when it came to religious fiction nothing more.
It's like saying the wizard of oz is proven correct because Alice in wonderland also had a little girl who got stuck in a fantasy land chased by an evil woman.
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i like the accusation or inference the NT writers "stole" from the ancient egyptians. where did the ancient egyptians steal their stories from?
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1068 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Don't forget: Dorthy of Oz, lived in a REAL place: Kansas.
But wait! There's more! In Oz, Dorthy experienced a tornado that lifted up a whole house! That can really happen, in Kansas--where there really are house-lifting tornados!
But wait! It gets even better! The actual Wizard of Oz was >>also<< from Kansas! And got to Oz via a hot air balloon!
And it turns out? There really >>are<< hot air balloons! They really do fly!
So it must all be true, right?
Right?
And little Toto too?
<laughing out loud>
you do have a talent. that was funny.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1069 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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False. Archeology has dated Nazereth-- it did not exist during the alleged Jesus-events. Not even under a different label.
You are so very wrong? It's pathetic.
you missed the point. you reject archaeological evidence that yes, the village had been in a different location, that yes, the village had a different name, and that the term nazareth also could refer to a region that was a geological bowl that would have contained several villages.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1070 May 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Exactly Nazareth is not built on the ruins of another city. There really wasn't much of anything on the land.
Buck has a lack of blood flow to the brain because of all that fat. He is probably due for a stroke soon if he doesn't get on a heart healthy diet with proper exercise.
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yes the current city of nazareth is not in the same location as the village that was nazareth also know as japhia.

"Luke describes with great drama how Jesus was rejected by the people of Nazareth. After his sermon in the synagogue aroused their anger, the people took him “and brought him to the precipice of the mountain that their city was built upon”(Luke 4). Some have pointed out that this sentence in Luke is not correct, as Nazareth is built in a valley and not on a mountain. But the valley of Nazareth is on a mountain overlooking the Jezreel valley – and the mountain of the precipice overlooks the valley of Nazaret and the valley of Jezreel."
http://www.inisrael.com/news/...

"There was indeed a considerable settlement in the Nazareth basin
during those eras, one beginning about 2000 BCE and continuing for about thirteen centuries
(from the Middle Bronze Age to the Middle Iron Age). Thus, by synoptically viewing the
evidence from Japhia together with that from the neighboring Nazareth basin, one arrives at the
very likely solution:“Japhia” was located in the Nazareth basin in the Bronze and Iron Ages, and
it moved in the course of centuries to the eventual Roman location three kilometers away. Such
village movement over time was not unusual, and occurred for a variety of reasons. In the case of
Japhia we have a good reason: Assyria conquered Israel in 732 BCE and destroyed all the major
towns in northern Palestine. It is likely that Japhia was also a casualty of the general destruction
at that time. Thus, the earliest town of Nazareth was not “Nazareth” at all, but Japhia."
http://www.atheists.org/images/wiki/images/c/...
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1071 May 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Did you see how now they are saying that ancient Christians were not persecuted for their beliefs as much as previously thought?
And this from a study at catholic college Notre Dame!
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now all of a sudden a catholic whose church itself persecuted Christians is a reliable authority on history?
if i posted a catholic source you know that you would reject it.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#1072 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Of course they were... the local gods were usually a strict part of the culture, and therefore a part of the local laws too.
They were all law-breakers. And I have no doubt, proud of it too.
you can thank Christians for your religious liberty. imagine what those "local gods" would have had their followers do to you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1073 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>abraham didn't have a daughter. nor do you seem to understand the significance of the story.
Oh, we understand it alright: it's a myth.

Just like 100% of the rest of the bible is-- myth.

And you?

You are too gullible to see that fact...!

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1074 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>are you also "Imhotep"
See?

Your inability to see reality is ... without mach.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1075 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really, i happen to work for an accredited college/university and i guarantee that you would not accept anything posted by them. so you either don't know what accredited means or you simply reject anything that would have the audacity to disagree with you.
Really? You are the janitor or something?

Because your writing style, your ability to express yourself is barely sixth grade.. seriously.

You show horrid use of grammar, you cannot seem to grasp basic punctuation and you do not realize that sentences, in English, begin with a capital letter...

So pardon us, if we think you are just ... LYING AGAIN.

You came into an ATHEIST forum, and with your very first post? You lied.

You have not stopped lying, since.

So it is highly UNLIKELY that YOU work in an actual ... university.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1076 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that is your only defense when i posted quotes from your site that actually supported my understanding of the time frame and couldn't find any support for yours. funny how you post a link but don't really quote from it.
You quote-mined. That is, you took "quotes" completely out of context, in order to twist their meaning to fit your delusions.

I'd say "nice try" but you did not actually try-- you lied.

Lying is all that you seem capable of doing, here.

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1077 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>he doesn't teach religion, he teaches religious studies. he also works for a state university not a private school.
So?

He's a GODBOT with an AGENDA until proven otherwise.

The safe assumption is that he is a godbot-- for there are so very many of those Liars For Jesus out there.

You ought to know: you are one of them.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1078 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i like the accusation or inference the NT writers "stole" from the ancient egyptians. where did the ancient egyptians steal their stories from?
Who knows? Earlier myths and fairy-tales?

People have been making up god-shy7t since the first LAZY b*stard who was too inept to HUNT for a living-- so this lazy azz stayed home and created religion...

... and lazy-azz religion-creators have been running that scam ever since.

And the gullible fools like YOU lap it up like gravy.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1079 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you missed the point. you reject archaeological evidence that yes, the village had been in a different location, that yes, the village had a different name, and that the term nazareth also could refer to a region that was a geological bowl that would have contained several villages.
Ooooh... keep stretching things-- maybe you'll actually manage to twist things enough to ...

... <laughing>

No, I cannot continue-- it is too FUNNY! Really!

You see what you have done? You are TWISTING the facts, because you MUST HAVE your ... "conclusion" no matter what.

That's sad, bub.

Really... it is sad...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1080 May 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you can thank Christians for your religious liberty. imagine what those "local gods" would have had their followers do to you.
I've studied the gods of the North American Indians/Natives.

They are far and away SUPERIOR in every way to your European Magic Jewish Wizard.

Seriously.

I'd much rather be under the NAN gods than under YOUR ugly god-of-slavery.

Coyote was cool, for example-- way more clever than your Jewsus could ever be.(But Coyote was not universal to them all, he's mostly a Mid-western and a South-Western god, as far as I have researched-- but he's still a cool god, if you must have one that is)

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1081 May 6, 2013
Yes he is an apologist as his work clearly reflects are you really this stupid?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>in researching it. the one was the chair of the department. hardly a student. the other was obviously not a student but also it was puzzling how his work got on the web site. i couldn't tell how long it had been there nor will we know how long it will last. he does however have several articles posted on the site.

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