Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1638 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1018 Apr 25, 2013
Show where I asked for an EDU page, hurry up liar. Chop chop.

Come on jackass stop humiliating yourself. Post where I asked for an EDU page, plus isn't that one you posted written by a student?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>yep, that's what you said;
"Actually what they show is that the people of the time used holy (bible) books that are rejected today.. You know man editing what he wants to go into the so called word of god collection!"

if "people of the time" used holy books that are rejected and we know that the DSS are from 200bc to about 100ad and you and your friends claim that the scriptures were really written in the second century and if they were copied or they used rejected books then, you are claiming that scripture is copied from concepts found in the DSS. therefore the concept of Christianity was not invented by the writers of scripture in the second century.

is Jackass your favorite word?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1019 Apr 25, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>link the story and we will see how genuinely Christian they actually were. other wise keep fishing you might catch something.
Oh they were one of YOURS, for certain.

They believe the ugly BuyBull, and foolishly thought that praying to Jewsus would fix their sick kids.

It didn't (as always-- prayer is worthless).

Sadly for the kids? A fairly routine >>science<< based medical process would likely have made them well.

Your ugly religion is sickening.

But you wanted a link? Here you go-- and since I know you WON'T CLICK? I've QUOTED the important bits-- they were Genuine Christians™-- exactly like ... you.

" http://rt.com/usa/second-child-dies-parents-p... ;
Couple's second child dies after they opt for prayer over treatment.

A religious Pennsylvania couple that's already serving probation in connection with the 2009 death of their child could face jail time after they chose to pray instead of seeking medical attention for another son, who has also died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible are members of a fundamentalist Christian church that believes faith healing will cure an ailment before modern medicine. Eight-month-old Brandon Schaible died last week after suffering from diarrhoea and breathing maladies. He had also stopped eating, and the Associated Press reported that Brandon’s sickness lasted for at least a week.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1020 Apr 25, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i see that "you lie" has now become your favorite expression again.
If you would just STOP LYING? I'd not have to repeat it so often, now would I?

Sheesh, but you are an idiot.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1021 Apr 25, 2013
barry wrote:
you used a link that actually disproved your point.
Really?

In what delusional and imaginary universe? Your feeble dreamland?

LMAO!
Imhotep

United States

#1022 Apr 25, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Most heroes are Christian and after saving millions of lives,you atheists say, "this world would be better without religion". Religion could be bad, but Christianity, is certainly, not a religion to go.
Shame on you...

You have casually forgotten all the prisoners...

Every prison in the country perhaps in the world is full of Christians! It is a major source of conversion.

A truly captive audience!

And of course the greatest mass murderer of all time... I present for your enjoyment Yahweh

And you want proof do you? From the good book?

1- The entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, except for eight survivors.(Genesis 7:23)

2- Everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.(Genesis 19:24,25)
3- Amalek and his people.(Exodus 17:816)
4- 3,000 Israelites.(Exodus 32:27,28)
5- 14,700 Jews.(Numbers 16:4449)
6- The people of Og. "So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." (Numbers 21:3335)
7- 24,000 people.(Numbers 25:49)
8- All Midianite males.(Numbers 31:612)
9- The Ammonites.(Deuteronomy 2:1921)
10-The Horims.(Deuteronomy 2:22)
11-The Amorites. "…utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones." (Deuteronomy 2:3335)
12-The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. "... thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them;" (Deuteronomy 7:15)
13- Everyone in Jericho but one family.(Joshua 6:2025)
14-12,000 people of Ai.(Joshua 8:1929)
15-All the people of Makkedah.(Joshua 10:28)
16-All the people of Libnah.(Joshua 10:29,30)
17-All the people of Gezer.(Joshua 10:33)
18-All the people of Eglon.(Joshua 10:34,35)
19-All the people of Hebron.(Joshua 10:36,37)
20-10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites.(Judges 1:4)
21-All the inhabitants of the land of Goshen "... neither left they any to breathe." (Joshua 11:1216)
22-The inhabitants of Hormah, Gaza, Askelon, Ekron.(Judges 1:1719)
23-10,000 Moabites.(Judges 3:29)
24-600 Philistines.(Judges 3:31)
25-All the hosts of Sisera.(Judges 4:16)
26-120,000 Midianites.(Judges 8:10)
27-1,000 Philistines.(Judges 15:15)
28-25,100 Benjaminites.(Judges 20:35)
29-50,070 people of Bethshemesh.(1 Samuel 6:19)
30-All the Amalekites. "Slay both man and woman, infant and suckling…." (1 Samuel 15:37)
31-200 Philistine men, in order to obtain their foreskins as the price for buying a bride.(1 Samuel 18:27)
32-22,000 Syrians.(2 Samuel 8:5)
33-40,000+ Syrians.(2 Samuel 10:18)
34-The Ammonites of Rabbah, who were tortured to death by the great King David.(2 Samuel 12:2931)
35-70,000 people.(2 Samuel 24:15)
36-Every man in Edom.(1 Kings 11:15)
37-All the prophets of Baal.(1 Kings 18:40)
38-127,000 Syrians.(1 Kings 20:2830)
39-Moabite captains & "fifties." (2 Kings 1:914)
40-42 children, eaten by bears.(2 Kings 2:23,24)
41-185,000 Assyrians killed in their sleep.(2 Kings 19:35)
42-500,000 men of Israel.(2 Chronicles 13:1620)
43-20,000 Edomites.(2 Chronicles 25:11,12)
44-120,000 Judeans in one day.(2 Chronicles 28:5,6)
45-75,500+ people.(Esther 9:1214)

Kind of brings a tear your eyes!
Imhotep

United States

#1023 Apr 25, 2013
All shucks I forgot a few

But there's so much more! "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt…." (Exodus 12:29) "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16) What sort of God would order such a thing? It's painful just to read those ugly words. But it's a popular theme in the Bible. "Every one that is found shall be thrust through….Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes….and their wives ravished. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:13-22) Is this not all revolting?

Yet there are repeated references to slashing open the stomachs of pregnant women. "….because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up." (2 Kings 15:16)

Enough already.

"They took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel. And there came a messenger, and told him, saying, They have brought the heads of the king's sons. And he said, Lay ye them in two heaps at the entering in of the gate until the morning." (2 Kings 10:7,8) Baskets full of heads?

Try to picture such a thing. Sickening.

"And there was a great famine in Samaria….And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son." (2 Kings 6:25-29)

I cannot think of a worse thing than eating your own children. That whole scenario is so appalling it nauseates. Boiled her son? She says it like it was no big deal. Did she boil him like a lobster, just drop the squirming infant into boiling water, or did she kill him first before putting him in the pot?

I know it's sickening to think about but religion is poison to humanity.

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#1024 Apr 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
And that continues even today.
There's a case here in the USA, where Genuine Christian™ parents allowed BOTH KIDS to die.
Why?
Because of NO medical care-- these Genuine Christians™ used praying instead.
And the kids are now DEAD.
How horrible. Parents killed their children for their imaginary god. Just like Abraham was gonna kill his daughter for his delusion as well.
This remind me of the Story of the Priests of Baal when Elijah challenged the priest to a test of fire to prove their God was real. God his test of fire in this case, and he did not show any evidence of himself.

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#1025 Apr 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Shame on you...
You have casually forgotten all the prisoners...
Every prison in the country perhaps in the world is full of Christians! It is a major source of conversion.
A truly captive audience!
And of course the greatest mass murderer of all time... I present for your enjoyment Yahweh
And you want proof do you? From the good book?
1- The entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, except for eight survivors.(Genesis 7:23)
2- Everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.(Genesis 19:24,25)
3- Amalek and his people.(Exodus 17:816)
4- 3,000 Israelites.(Exodus 32:27,28)
5- 14,700 Jews.(Numbers 16:4449)
6- The people of Og. "So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." (Numbers 21:3335)
7- 24,000 people.(Numbers 25:49)
8- All Midianite males.(Numbers 31:612)
9- The Ammonites.(Deuteronomy 2:1921)
10-The Horims.(Deuteronomy 2:22)
11-The Amorites. "…utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones." (Deuteronomy 2:3335)
12-The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. "... thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them;" (Deuteronomy 7:15)
13- Everyone in Jericho but one family.(Joshua 6:2025)
14-12,000 people of Ai.(Joshua 8:1929)
15-All the people of Makkedah.(Joshua 10:28)
16-All the people of Libnah.(Joshua 10:29,30)
17-All the people of Gezer.(Joshua 10:33)
18-All the people of Eglon.(Joshua 10:34,35)
19-All the people of Hebron.(Joshua 10:36,37)
20-10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites.(Judges 1:4)
21-All the inhabitants of the land of Goshen "... neither left they any to breathe." (Joshua 11:1216)
22-The inhabitants of Hormah, Gaza, Askelon, Ekron.(Judges 1:1719)
23-10,000 Moabites.(Judges 3:29)
24-600 Philistines.(Judges 3:31)
25-All the hosts of Sisera.(Judges 4:16)
26-120,000 Midianites.(Judges 8:10)
27-1,000 Philistines.(Judges 15:15)
28-25,100 Benjaminites.(Judges 20:35)
29-50,070 people of Bethshemesh.(1 Samuel 6:19)
30-All the Amalekites. "Slay both man and woman, infant and suckling…." (1 Samuel 15:37)
31-200 Philistine men, in order to obtain their foreskins as the price for buying a bride.(1 Samuel 18:27)
32-22,000 Syrians.(2 Samuel 8:5)
33-40,000+ Syrians.(2 Samuel 10:18)
34-The Ammonites of Rabbah, who were tortured to death by the great King David.(2 Samuel 12:2931)
35-70,000 people.(2 Samuel 24:15)
36-Every man in Edom.(1 Kings 11:15)
37-All the prophets of Baal.(1 Kings 18:40)
38-127,000 Syrians.(1 Kings 20:2830)
39-Moabite captains & "fifties." (2 Kings 1:914)
40-42 children, eaten by bears.(2 Kings 2:23,24)
41-185,000 Assyrians killed in their sleep.(2 Kings 19:35)
42-500,000 men of Israel.(2 Chronicles 13:1620)
43-20,000 Edomites.(2 Chronicles 25:11,12)
44-120,000 Judeans in one day.(2 Chronicles 28:5,6)
45-75,500+ people.(Esther 9:1214)
Kind of brings a tear your eyes!
Don't forget the Exodus, where God kills first born Egyptians for the crimes of Pharoah, although God hardened the heart of Pharoah against

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1027 Apr 26, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
How horrible. Parents killed their children for their imaginary god. Just like Abraham was gonna kill his daughter for his delusion as well.
This remind me of the Story of the Priests of Baal when Elijah challenged the priest to a test of fire to prove their God was real. God his test of fire in this case, and he did not show any evidence of himself.
Yep. These people are literally sacrificing their children on the altar of their ugly faith.
barry

Chicago, IL

#1028 May 2, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Shame on you...
You have casually forgotten all the prisoners...
Every prison in the country perhaps in the world is full of Christians! It is a major source of conversion.
A truly captive audience!
And of course the greatest mass murderer of all time... I present for your enjoyment Yahweh
And you want proof do you? From the good book?
1- The entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, except for eight survivors.(Genesis 7:23)
2- Everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.(Genesis 19:24,25)
3- Amalek and his people.(Exodus 17:816)
4- 3,000 Israelites.(Exodus 32:27,28)
5- 14,700 Jews.(Numbers 16:4449)
6- The people of Og. "So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." (Numbers 21:3335)
7- 24,000 people.(Numbers 25:49)
8- All Midianite males.(Numbers 31:612)
9- The Ammonites.(Deuteronomy 2:1921)
10-The Horims.(Deuteronomy 2:22)
11-The Amorites. "…utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones." (Deuteronomy 2:3335)
12-The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. "... thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them;" (Deuteronomy 7:15)
13- Everyone in Jericho but one family.(Joshua 6:2025)
14-12,000 people of Ai.(Joshua 8:1929)
15-All the people of Makkedah.(Joshua 10:28)
16-All the people of Libnah.(Joshua 10:29,30)
17-All the people of Gezer.(Joshua 10:33)
18-All the people of Eglon.(Joshua 10:34,35)
19-All the people of Hebron.(Joshua 10:36,37)
20-10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites.(Judges 1:4)
21-All the inhabitants of the land of Goshen "... neither left they any to breathe." (Joshua 11:1216)
22-The inhabitants of Hormah, Gaza, Askelon, Ekron.(Judges 1:1719)
23-10,000 Moabites.(Judges 3:29)
24-600 Philistines.(Judges 3:31)
25-All the hosts of Sisera.(Judges 4:16)
26-120,000 Midianites.(Judges 8:10)
27-1,000 Philistines.(Judges 15:15)
28-25,100 Benjaminites.(Judges 20:35)
29-50,070 people of Bethshemesh.(1 Samuel 6:19)
30-All the Amalekites. "Slay both man and woman, infant and suckling…." (1 Samuel 15:37)
31-200 Philistine men, in order to obtain their foreskins as the price for buying a bride.(1 Samuel 18:27)
32-22,000 Syrians.(2 Samuel 8:5)
33-40,000+ Syrians.(2 Samuel 10:18)
34-The Ammonites of Rabbah, who were tortured to death by the great King David.(2 Samuel 12:2931)
35-70,000 people.(2 Samuel 24:15)
36-Every man in Edom.(1 Kings 11:15)
37-All the prophets of Baal.(1 Kings 18:40)
38-127,000 Syrians.(1 Kings 20:2830)
39-Moabite captains & "fifties." (2 Kings 1:914)
40-42 children, eaten by bears.(2 Kings 2:23,24)
41-185,000 Assyrians killed in their sleep.(2 Kings 19:35)
42-500,000 men of Israel.(2 Chronicles 13:1620)
43-20,000 Edomites.(2 Chronicles 25:11,12)
44-120,000 Judeans in one day.(2 Chronicles 28:5,6)
45-75,500+ people.(Esther 9:1214)
Kind of brings a tear your eyes!
so because you don't like God, he either must not exist or do you simply reject him as God?
barry

Chicago, IL

#1029 May 2, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Show where I asked for an EDU page, hurry up liar. Chop chop.
Come on jackass stop humiliating yourself. Post where I asked for an EDU page, plus isn't that one you posted written by a student?
<quoted text>
amazingly you are right. it was bob who demanded sites from "accredited universities". I doubt that he even knows what that is.

"isn't that one you posted written by a student?"
who knows who posted it. it however passed the requirements of academic excellence to be posted on the universities site.
barry

Chicago, IL

#1030 May 2, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Show where I asked for an EDU page, hurry up liar. Chop chop.
Come on jackass stop humiliating yourself. Post where I asked for an EDU page, plus isn't that one you posted written by a student?
<quoted text>
James D. Tabor is Professor and Chair (since 2004) of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte where he has taught since 1989.

hardly a student.
barry

Chicago, IL

#1031 May 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh they were one of YOURS, for certain.
They believe the ugly BuyBull, and foolishly thought that praying to Jewsus would fix their sick kids.
It didn't (as always-- prayer is worthless).
Sadly for the kids? A fairly routine >>science<< based medical process would likely have made them well.
Your ugly religion is sickening.
But you wanted a link? Here you go-- and since I know you WON'T CLICK? I've QUOTED the important bits-- they were Genuine Christians™-- exactly like ... you.
" http://rt.com/usa/second-child-dies-parents-p... ;
<quoted text>
no, not mine. you did find a nut case but I hardly see what it has to do with me or bg as both of us regularly see our doctors.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1032 May 2, 2013
Apology accepted and colleges put up student work online all the time it's nothing more than the teacher liked it. Sorry it's not peer reviewed.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>amazingly you are right. it was bob who demanded sites from "accredited universities". I doubt that he even knows what that is.

"isn't that one you posted written by a student?"
who knows who posted it. it however passed the requirements of academic excellence.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1033 May 2, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so because you don't like God, he either must not exist or do you simply reject him as God?
It isn't a case of not liking your god.

It IS a case of not liking your ugly DESCRIPTION of your ugly god.

That is a subtle, but important distinction.

Your ugly bible's depicting of a tyrant, who is an egomaniac and who delights in murdering on a whim, or for the flimsiest of reasons is what we do not like.

And we do not like your beliefs, either-- you pretend this ugly god is somehow... good.

Right.

And Ted Bundy was just a chef....

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1034 May 2, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>amazingly you are right. it was bob who demanded sites from "accredited universities". I doubt that he even knows what that is.
Oh, but I do-- I even mentioned several which I would accept, such as Harvard or Yale.

I'd even accept papers written for respected medical institutions, such as John Hopkins.

I DO understand what accreditation means.

You?

You demonstrate it is YOU who does not...

... you keep FAILING to post links....

... you keep making CLAIMS without proof.

And you seem to be getting more desperate...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1035 May 2, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>James D. Tabor is Professor and Chair (since 2004) of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte where he has taught since 1989.
hardly a student.
Who gives a sh7t? The fact that he TEACHES RELIGION?

That?

That right there?

Proves that EVERYTHING he says is suspect.

Highly--highly suspect. Does he have a RELIGIOUS AXE to grind?

Who knows?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1036 May 2, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, not mine. you did find a nut case but I hardly see what it has to do with me or bg as both of us regularly see our doctors.
So what?

The FACT IS? These people worship at the SAME UGLY BIBLE that YOU worship at!

That means they use the EXACT SAME JUSTIFICATION for their ... what did you call it?

Oh yes... their "nut case" behavior.

Exactly as YOU DO.

Clearly? YOU are the hypocrite-- you DO NOT trust that your Magic Jew actually grants wishes (prayers).

So you see SECULAR doctors practicing SECULAR and SCIENTIFIC medicine.

Classic hypocrisy it is, too.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1037 May 2, 2013
So we see even religious professors can write bubble headed apologetic nonsense.

We have end of the world messianic writings from ancient Egypt on. This only illustrates that NT writers stole what was popular for centuries when it came to religious fiction nothing more.

It's like saying the wizard of oz is proven correct because Alice in wonderland also had a little girl who got stuck in a fantasy land chased by an evil woman.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>James D. Tabor is Professor and Chair (since 2004) of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte where he has taught since 1989.

hardly a student.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1038 May 2, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So we see even religious professors can write bubble headed apologetic nonsense.
We have end of the world messianic writings from ancient Egypt on. This only illustrates that NT writers stole what was popular for centuries when it came to religious fiction nothing more.
It's like saying the wizard of oz is proven correct because Alice in wonderland also had a little girl who got stuck in a fantasy land chased by an evil woman.
<quoted text>
Don't forget: Dorthy of Oz, lived in a REAL place: Kansas.

But wait! There's more! In Oz, Dorthy experienced a tornado that lifted up a whole house! That can really happen, in Kansas--where there really are house-lifting tornados!

But wait! It gets even better! The actual Wizard of Oz was >>also<< from Kansas! And got to Oz via a hot air balloon!

And it turns out? There really >>are<< hot air balloons! They really do fly!

So it must all be true, right?

Right?

And little Toto too?

<laughing out loud>

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