Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1637 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#958 Apr 17, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>let your brother stand on his own two feet.
Just in case Doofus, doesn't remember this (and yes, you are the Doofus), he(you) said that >" Jesus doesn't call her a dog either. he simply points out the mindset of the pharisees and the jews around him". <<<

So tell me, is A. the Pharisee mindset, or is it B.?

A.(But he answered her not a word)
B.(But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel)

Jewsus does the talking for others, you do the talking for Jewsus, and you call Bob, down for defending me?

Boy aren't you one priceless pearl? Not!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#959 Apr 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What if your god didn't give him feet?
<quoted text>
His gud, gave everbody feets, you just cain't see um all, and sum ov em cain't be walked on, er stoood on either.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#960 Apr 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I do, I do... he has no need of help, to prove the likes of YOU fraudulent.
But seriously-- your comment indicated you did not bother to even READ what he wrote....!
LMAO!
Your brother's kid,(the Badger) said "Hi".

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#961 Apr 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
What material? Show me the passages from the NT found in the DSS!
Hey jackass do you prefer carrots or apples?
<quoted text>
I think he'd choose turnips.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#962 Apr 17, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Your brother's kid,(the Badger) said "Hi".
:)
barry

Henagar, AL

#963 Apr 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Your favorite "miracle", the dead sea scrolls.
Sheesh, but you are being dense, here...
To qualify is validating the NT? They would >>have<< to have been written at the time of your dead-Jew-on-a-stick.
They were not-- about a thousand years or so, not.
Pity.
your challenged by time lines aren't you?

" The manuscripts have been dated to various ranges between 408 BCE and 318 CE.[3] Bronze coins found on the site form a series beginning with John Hyrcanus (135-104 BCE) and continuing until the First Jewish-Roman War (66–73 CE).[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

"The scrolls comprise, among other things, the oldest copies of parts of the Bible in existence. The Qumran scrolls date from approximately 250 B.C. to about 65 A.D., and at some other locations to about 135 A.D."
http://www.deadseascrollsfoundation.com/

hardly a 1000 years or so.... but rather pre or contemporary with the accounts of the NT.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#964 Apr 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>your challenged by time lines aren't you?
" The manuscripts have been dated to various ranges between 408 BCE and 318 CE.[3] Bronze coins found on the site form a series beginning with John Hyrcanus (135-104 BCE) and continuing until the First Jewish-Roman War (66–73 CE).[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
"The scrolls comprise, among other things, the oldest copies of parts of the Bible in existence. The Qumran scrolls date from approximately 250 B.C. to about 65 A.D., and at some other locations to about 135 A.D."
http://www.deadseascrollsfoundation.com/
hardly a 1000 years or so.... but rather pre or contemporary with the accounts of the NT.
Wiki is hardly definitive.

Your 2nd website is just another Liar For Jewsus, so it can also be dismissed without further examination.

What else you got?

Nothing?

I bet you had to search long and hard, too-- to find a lying site that fit into your lies.

LOL!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#965 Apr 21, 2013
Didn't see any proof there of NT writings....

Epic fail as expected.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>your challenged by time lines aren't you?

" The manuscripts have been dated to various ranges between 408 BCE and 318 CE.[3] Bronze coins found on the site form a series beginning with John Hyrcanus (135-104 BCE) and continuing until the First Jewish-Roman War (66–73 CE).[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

"The scrolls comprise, among other things, the oldest copies of parts of the Bible in existence. The Qumran scrolls date from approximately 250 B.C. to about 65 A.D., and at some other locations to about 135 A.D."
http://www.deadseascrollsfoundation.com/

hardly a 1000 years or so.... but rather pre or contemporary with the accounts of the NT.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#966 Apr 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Didn't see any proof there of NT writings....
Epic fail as expected.
<quoted text>
Yep.
barry

Henagar, AL

#967 Apr 23, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Just in case Doofus, doesn't remember this (and yes, you are the Doofus), he(you) said that >" Jesus doesn't call her a dog either. he simply points out the mindset of the pharisees and the jews around him". <<<
So tell me, is A. the Pharisee mindset, or is it B.?
A.(But he answered her not a word)
B.(But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel)
Jewsus does the talking for others, you do the talking for Jewsus, and you call Bob, down for defending me?
Boy aren't you one priceless pearl? Not!
the mind set is that the idea that gentiles were dogs is not taught in the Bible. it is a tradition of men developed and taught during the time of the DSS. so while you try to deflect in an effort to bring some validity to your comment, you can not show that any where does Christ or the Bible teach that gentiles are dogs.
and yes you and bob seem to have the same challenges when it comes to comprehending the simple things of this conversation.
barry

Henagar, AL

#968 Apr 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Didn't see any proof there of NT writings....
Epic fail as expected.
<quoted text>
again gml no one said that there were any NT writings contained in them. what was said was that they confirmed Nt writings, teachings and doctrines. Phrases and doctrines that your friends claimed were invented as late as the second century can be found in the DSS.
again you are either deliberately trying to shift the conversation or you have a comprehension problem.
barry

Henagar, AL

#969 Apr 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Wiki is hardly definitive.
Your 2nd website is just another Liar For Jewsus, so it can also be dismissed without further examination.
What else you got?
Nothing?
I bet you had to search long and hard, too-- to find a lying site that fit into your lies.
LOL!
so post one link, just one link that disagrees with wiki on the time frame of the DSS.

good luck.
barry

Henagar, AL

#970 Apr 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You mean material takin from the OT?
:sigh smh:
<quoted text>
no, these things are not found in the OT.

the DSS contain these concepts.
when talking about the coming Messiah, they refer to him as the "Son of God" and the "son of the Most High" he will "judge the earth in righteousness" they talk of a "new covenant" they use the term "Holy Spirit". all phrases that are new to the NT.

this hymn: "But Thou, O my God, hast put into my mouth
as it were rain for all those who thirst
and a fount of living waters which shall not fail.
When they are opened they shall not run dry" (1QH8; Hymn 14) parallels the Words of Christ in John chapter 4 and chapter 7.

the teaching that one was to hate their enemies which Jesus condemned is found not in the OT but in the DSS.

the term "sons of light" is found in the DSS so is the phrase "the wealth of unrighteousness"

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/deadse ...

this phrase in Luke 7 and Mathew 11; " the dead are raised up, the poor have the glad tiding preached to them" is not found in the OT but is found in the DSS

http://religiousstudies.uncc.edu/people/jtabo ...

"For he will heal the wounded, resurrect the dead,
and proclaim glad tiding to the poor."

and the list could go on.
barry

Henagar, AL

#971 Apr 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
What material? Show me the passages from the NT found in the DSS!
Hey jackass do you prefer carrots or apples?
<quoted text>
"Hey jackass", real classy.
Really Now

Newport News, VA

#972 Apr 23, 2013
He was a hell of a wrestler....the Super Star...Billly Graham
barry

Henagar, AL

#973 Apr 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
At the writing of the DSS, it's age determined by scientific Carbon Dating* shows they were created long after the establishment of Genuine Christianity™. Thus they were simply written to match that mythos.
.
.
.
.
__________
* Isn't it convenient that these godbots are happy to accept carbon dating when it suits their agenda, but then refuse to accept it when it contradicts their dogma.

Amazing. Hypocritical as -uck, but what can you say?
so you post something with no link, no credit. can we assume that you made it up? i guess you have a degree in those sort of things which would make you an expert.
however the real experts seem to disagree with you.

"Researchers in the Arizona Accelerator Mass Spectrometer (AMS) Laboratory at the University of Arizona have carbon-14 dated samples of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and their results are consistent with ages determined by paleographic research.

"A. J. Timothy Jull, Research Scientist, and Douglas J. Donahue, Physics Professor and Director of the AMS facility, measured the amount of radioactive carbon in samples of 18 texts and two textiles from four Qumran Caves and from Nahal Hever, both in the Dead Sea region.
"Carbon-14 dating of milligram samples taken from ragged edges of manuscript margins determined the ages of the scrolls to range from the third century B.C.E.(Before Common Era) to 68 C.E., nearly 2,000 years ago. These dates support earlier paleographic research, which estimated the ages of the scrolls by analyzing the handwriting styles, materials, and formatting of the manuscripts.
http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869Z/CHEM869ZLin...

you ignore the fact that the scrolls weren't the only thing found in the caves and that the artifacts found with them identify the age of the scrolls.

so really now, who is the liar?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#974 Apr 23, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so post one link, just one link that disagrees with wiki on the time frame of the DSS.
good luck.
It is not my place to correct your educational lack.

The links in the Wiki ALL point to Liars For Jewus websites, rendering the wiki entry invalid.

There was not ONE scientific link in the whole bunch.

Obviously, Liars For Jewsus keep editing the Dead Sea shyt article to suit their fantasy-delusions.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#975 Apr 23, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so post one link, just one link that disagrees with wiki on the time frame of the DSS.
good luck.
Not UP to me to prove your stupid and wild claims. You are trying to shift the burden of PROOF-- all I have to do? To prove your "evidence" false? Is point to a VALID CRITICISM. Which I did.

Here-- let's go over that one more time:

YOU CLAIMED THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS HAD PROOF OF NEW TESTAMENT.

It is up to YOU to back that claim-- with REAL sources, not Liars For Jewsus ones.

If you have a link to a REAL university? Say... Harvard? Yale? No?

We thought as much.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#976 Apr 23, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, these things are not found in the OT.
the DSS contain these concepts.
when talking about the coming Messiah, they refer to him as the "Son of God" and the "son of the Most High" he will "judge the earth in righteousness" they talk of a "new covenant" they use the term "Holy Spirit". all phrases that are new to the NT.
this hymn: "But Thou, O my God, hast put into my mouth
as it were rain for all those who thirst
and a fount of living waters which shall not fail.
When they are opened they shall not run dry" (1QH8; Hymn 14) parallels the Words of Christ in John chapter 4 and chapter 7.
the teaching that one was to hate their enemies which Jesus condemned is found not in the OT but in the DSS.
the term "sons of light" is found in the DSS so is the phrase "the wealth of unrighteousness"
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/deadse ...
this phrase in Luke 7 and Mathew 11; " the dead are raised up, the poor have the glad tiding preached to them" is not found in the OT but is found in the DSS
http://religiousstudies.uncc.edu/people/jtabo ...
"For he will heal the wounded, resurrect the dead,
and proclaim glad tiding to the poor."
and the list could go on.
LMAO!

Your links are DEAD----

-- just like your PROOF.

Entirely... MISSING!

LMAO!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#977 Apr 23, 2013
Really Now wrote:
He was a hell of a wrestler....the Super Star...Billly Graham
He was a con man, and nothing BUT a con man.

He stole from the poor-- over and over too.

That's how he got so .... rich.

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