Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

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President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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Lincoln

United States

#634 Mar 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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1) tax rates vary with which bracket you are in
2) your tax bracket is based on "taxable income". This is income AFTER ALL DEDUCTIONS.
3) even if there were the magic "flat" tax rate of 25%, if you deduct right off the top, money you gave away, the tax you owe is less AFTER the deduction than before. Moreover, it would likely place you into a lower (less percent) bracket-- else you would not bother.
We all know you True Believers™ are as selfish as it's possible to be* so there is no incentive to give money unless you get financial benefit from it.
__________
* proof? You believe the Ultimate Creator of Everything has a close personal relationship with .... you. That is the ULTIMATE in selfishness-- you actually believe the actual UNIVERSE was created just for little old you.
It just doesn't get any more selfish than that.
Is Bob a tax atty
or an
Evangelical Atheist ?
Jimmy

London, UK

#635 Mar 22, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Is Bob a tax atty
or an
Evangelical Atheist ?
Atheists are not evangelicals because atheism is not a religion. Doesn't it worry your soul that you are lying about atheists when your hallucinatin tells you it's wrong?
Wisdom

Russellville, KY

#636 Mar 22, 2013
I do not believe there is any such thing as an Atheists. Their existence cannot be proven.
Jimmy

London, UK

#637 Mar 22, 2013
Whose forum are you posting in?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#638 Mar 22, 2013
Wisdom wrote:
I do not believe there is any such thing as an Atheists. Their existence cannot be proven.
In fact it can...
Amused

Bridgewater, MA

#639 Mar 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope. Not even a little bit "misinterpreting".
Here's why:
If your bible is DIVINE as you claim?
Then it would not NEED "interpreting"... it would stand on it's own merits.
But the very fact that you HAVE to claim "interpret" the bible?
Proves to 100%, that it's not even a little bit divine...
Thanks!
You are helping to discredit your cult.
"Interpreting" is a euphemism for "ignoring the batsh*t crazy parts" and claiming that only those in possession of a secret decoder ring can "explain" the crazy away by giving it improbable and implausible readings.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#640 Mar 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Math is not your strong suit, is it?
LMAO!
What is it about the word "deduction" that you do not understand?
Sad for you-- your ugly religion is riding on the backs of taxpayers-- has been since it's ugly inception. BG is no different: it's ugly, it gets a free ride on the taxpayer's backs.
all i know is that if i don't give the $10,000 to charity and pay the extra $2,500 in taxes then i still have the extra $7,500.

barry wrote:
<quoted text>wow! you are so astute! not!
so, let's run the figures. if my taxable income is $100,000 and my tax rate is 25% then after taxes [$25,00] i would have $75,000 left over. are you with me?
now. if i give the red cross or BG $10,000 then i would only be paying 25% on $90,000 [$22,500].
however i would only have $67,500 left over. the last time i went to school that is a negative difference of $7,500.
so, there is absolutely no financial advantage to giving money to the red cross or to BG even if i would fall into a lower tax bracket.
however if i needed a new central heat and air conditioner and i paid $5,000 to have it installed i might receive a $2,000 tax credit that would still come to me even if for some reason i didn't even owe any taxes. so my actual loss for a necessary expense that i would have purchased anyway is only $3,000 instead of $5,000. now there are gov programs that will give you a big tax credit even when they don't cost you any thing. one year instead of paying taxes they gave me $14,000 back plus what i had paid in. now that is how a tax credit works.
no one received any kind of financial advantage for donating to BG's association. hope that helps you understand it. i did notice that your two friends are not helping you with this.
you don't pay taxes do you?

perhaps you have never given to charity and then claimed a deduction.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#641 Mar 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
You do lie-- you believe in invisible sky-fairies and talking snakes.
You also lie about the origins of your ugly hate-cult.
That is what faith is: a lie you tell yourself when reality tells you something different from what your wish-fantasy is.
What's worse? You actually think your evil, terrorist-god is ... "good".
That's the biggest lie of all.
It is not possible for your god to be good: your god uses infinite torture to get and retain followers (hell--since you are so dimwitted).
That isn't good-- that's pure-D evil.
Yet you lie and claim "god is good".
There's more lies you tell-- want to hear 'em?
your understanding of God is apparently no better than your understanding of taxes or your ability to do math, or your ability to find a link to support anything that you say.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#642 Mar 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
1) tax rates vary with which bracket you are in
2) your tax bracket is based on "taxable income". This is income AFTER ALL DEDUCTIONS.
3) even if there were the magic "flat" tax rate of 25%, if you deduct right off the top, money you gave away, the tax you owe is less AFTER the deduction than before. Moreover, it would likely place you into a lower (less percent) bracket-- else you would not bother.
We all know you True Believers™ are as selfish as it's possible to be* so there is no incentive to give money unless you get financial benefit from it.
__________
* proof? You believe the Ultimate Creator of Everything has a close personal relationship with .... you. That is the ULTIMATE in selfishness-- you actually believe the actual UNIVERSE was created just for little old you.
It just doesn't get any more selfish than that.
really? then how about you giving us an example of a taxable income that in any tax bracket where a tax deduction would become a positive financial advantage to the donator.

do you even know how much the average contribution is that is given to the BG association. there really is a lot of tax deducting going on there.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#643 Mar 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>In fact it can...
then prove it.

Wisdom wrote:
I do not believe there is any such thing as an Atheists. Their existence cannot be proven.
Jimmy

London, UK

#644 Mar 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>then prove it.
Wisdom wrote:
I do not believe there is any such thing as an Atheists. Their existence cannot be proven.
stupid theist-level question.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#645 Mar 22, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
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stupid theist-level question.
then you prove it. or how about you prove your comment.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#646 Mar 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>then prove it.
Wisdom wrote:
I do not believe there is any such thing as an Atheists. Their existence cannot be proven.
i personally know atheists. i can touch and feel them and hear them proclaim they are atheists.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#647 Mar 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i personally know atheists. i can touch and feel them and hear them proclaim they are atheists.
really? what makes you so sure that they are not lying to you? how can we be sure that they really don't have a secret fantasy god tucked away in their closet at home? you know something to fall back on or lean on when the times really get tough just in case.
Amused

Bridgewater, MA

#648 Mar 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really? what makes you so sure that they are not lying to you? how can we be sure that they really don't have a secret fantasy god tucked away in their closet at home? you know something to fall back on or lean on when the times really get tough just in case.
So, you admit this god of yours is a crutch for when you can't handle reality? That puts your god in the same category as drugs and alcohol, i.e. with other things that are bad for you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#649 Mar 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really? what makes you so sure that they are not lying to you? how can we be sure that they really don't have a secret fantasy god tucked away in their closet at home? you know something to fall back on or lean on when the times really get tough just in case.
You're going to try a third grade level argument here?

i know non-believers and freethinkers. i am one. i don't use the term atheist but i would be considered one by you i imagine. i know i exist.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#650 Mar 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really? what makes you so sure that they are not lying to you? how can we be sure that they really don't have a secret fantasy god tucked away in their closet at home? you know something to fall back on or lean on when the times really get tough just in case.
sounds more like you are describing the type of faith most 'be;lievers' have. hedging their bet.(As long as it's subsidized byt eh gov't, that is...)

I know people who have not believed in any religious cult or god until the day they died.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#651 Mar 22, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you admit this god of yours is a crutch for when you can't handle reality? That puts your god in the same category as drugs and alcohol, i.e. with other things that are bad for you.
nice try. do all unbelievers grasp at straws this obviously?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#652 Mar 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>You're going to try a third grade level argument here?
i know non-believers and freethinkers. i am one. i don't use the term atheist but i would be considered one by you i imagine. i know i exist.
so, we now must take your word for it? what evidence do you present to us besides your opinion?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#653 Mar 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sounds more like you are describing the type of faith most 'be;lievers' have. hedging their bet.(As long as it's subsidized byt eh gov't, that is...)
I know people who have not believed in any religious cult or god until the day they died.
"you are describing the type of faith most 'be;lievers' have. hedging their bet."

i think that even Jesus might agree with you.

Mathew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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