Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

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President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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#287 Feb 25, 2013
But, Bappie, if Graham has been teaching and promulgating a dogma that is based on fallacies and known lies, then he is no more than another cult leader. So it is pertenent to the discussion of his reputation as to the veracity of the cult he is indoctrinating people into.

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#288 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Lie.
All modern bible scholarship agree that the OLDEST gospel is 60 years after the alleged death of Jesus.
SIXTY YEARS.
The others are 100-120 years post-death.
Please, go back and get an actual... education.
Only lying-for-jesus people disagree here.
They don't even read the numerous inquires about their "holy work"
To do so, would require them to commit the sin of thinking.

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#289 Feb 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
But, Bappie, if Graham has been teaching and promulgating a dogma that is based on fallacies and known lies, then he is no more than another cult leader. So it is pertenent to the discussion of his reputation as to the veracity of the cult he is indoctrinating people into.
The people that follow him don't believe he's teaching/preaching fallacies is the point. They believe it's bible based (which they believe to be the literal word of God) and Billy's oganization an acurrate source of God's teachings. I know he lies, you know they lie, but his followers don't! How hard is that to grasp? Furthermore, his organization called the Mormon organization an apostate cult and then reversed themselves. That's all I'm saying.

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#290 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes The bible is such a silly collection of ancient myths. Maybe 2000 years from now a conman televangelist for the Star Wars religion will say Luke and Han were brothers and scam people out of money.
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Well to be fair, Graham's organization is not the only one that's done a good job of dismantling people's belief in organized religion whether it's myth or not. Trust me, those who studied religon in college, Ancient history and philosophy know the truth about the bible. However, for some, it's a matter of faith or an article of faith and I hate to see people, no matter who they are, abuse that trust.

I have no own beliefs which I do not share as this most definitely isn't a site for such deep discussions. It's way over most posters on here heads.

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#291 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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None of these people are real people, silly boyo.
You really don't know where your bible came from, do you?
LOL!
The bible as YOU know it, did not exist prior to roughly 300CE, when it was fabricated by Constantine's hand-picked bible-committee.
There, from 1000's of legendary tales they were interested in, Constantine (and his committee) fabricated a new religion, one that he wished to use to pacify his empire.
After stitching the bible from a large collection of tales, he had what he wanted: a new religion that taught it's followers to be sheep, and to OBEY any and all AUTHORITY (which in this case, was Constantine himself... how convenient).
Of course, that Constantine's soldiers had to force-convert people to the new "christianity" was of no consequence to his program-- convert or die.
I find it interesting, that many chose to die, but nevermind that.
In any case? Your bible is a collection of mashed-together myths and legends-- nobody in it was real, silly boyo.
Constantine, the same emperor who was behind the murder of his nephew,because the latter was a threat to his power, his son Crispus, because his wife, convinced him that he tried to rape her, and his wife because he found out that she lied about his son.
According to the Christian teachings, this mass murder is in heaven because he accepted Christ while the Buddha, a prince who supposedly gave up wealth and power to dedicate himself to the poor, earns a place in hell.

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#292 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Here's an excellent source--it has many references to where the information came from, too.
" http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richar... ;
But I will bet you $20 that you won't click on it, or of you do--you won't read beyond the title page.
People such as yourself, prefer living the lie, and avoid at all costs, the actual...
... facts.
He could have learned about that if he had dared to watch the numerous History/ Discovery Channel episodes on the subject, back when those channels had interesting shows, shows that I watched as a kid.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#293 Feb 25, 2013
It's not a matter of believing anything, Bappie. They are proven fallacies the bible is teaching. Not up for debate as to whether they are true or not, regardless of anyone's 'beliefs'...

I see you understand the christian cult for what it is as do i. I thought you were defending the cult...sorry aobut my mistake.

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#294 Feb 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
It's not a matter of believing anything, Bappie. They are proven fallacies the bible is teaching. Not up for debate as to whether they are true or not, regardless of anyone's 'beliefs'...
I see you understand the christian cult for what it is as do i. I thought you were defending the cult...sorry aobut my mistake.
No, I wasn't defending it. I just hate to see people manipulated and that's what organized religion does, manipulate people and it makes me sick.

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#295 Feb 25, 2013
LRS wrote:
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Then disproving his existence should be no problem for ya, right?
Who?

You define which of the billions of human gods you mean by "his" and I'll prove that god is myth.

You see, the DEFAULT position is "myth", until (and if ever) you prove otherwise.

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#296 Feb 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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They don't even read the numerous inquires about their "holy work"
To do so, would require them to commit the sin of thinking.
Indeed: the bible's very first morality-tale outlines that quite nicely.

What was Adam's actual sin? Why, the sin of knowledge, of course.

The bible frowns in knowledge-- it's a forbidden sin.

And nothing in the later bits of the bible contradict this.

No wonder True Believers™ are so...

... ignorant.

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#297 Feb 25, 2013
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>The people that follow him don't believe he's teaching/preaching fallacies is the point. They believe it's bible based (which they believe to be the literal word of God) and Billy's oganization an acurrate source of God's teachings. I know he lies, you know they lie, but his followers don't! How hard is that to grasp? Furthermore, his organization called the Mormon organization an apostate cult and then reversed themselves. That's all I'm saying.
I agree with your analysis as far as it goes.

The point you and I differ, is with regards to his followers.

And it's this: if a person was raised in a cave, and taught that the earth was a flat disc, and they later left the cave and went about the land, telling everyone that the earth was a flat disc...

... would he be lying?

I say he would be lying--even if he was unaware of the lie, he was spreading a false claim.

So, too with Graham's followers-- they are equally guilty of spreading lies.

Just as all bible-worshipers are.

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#298 Feb 25, 2013
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>Well to be fair, Graham's organization is not the only one that's done a good job of dismantling people's belief in organized religion whether it's myth or not. Trust me, those who studied religon in college, Ancient history and philosophy know the truth about the bible. However, for some, it's a matter of faith or an article of faith and I hate to see people, no matter who they are, abuse that trust.
I have no own beliefs which I do not share as this most definitely isn't a site for such deep discussions. It's way over most posters on here heads.
Whereas many who read these threads are stumped by the most basic of concepts, I'd wager that the majority of non-believers are not.

I, for one, welcome deep discussions-- they are like a discovered priceless artifact, amidst a sea of ordinary rubbish.

:)

Those occasional gems are why I keep coming back-- I'm sifting for something >>interesting<<.

:D

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#299 Feb 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Constantine, the same emperor who was behind the murder of his nephew,because the latter was a threat to his power, his son Crispus, because his wife, convinced him that he tried to rape her, and his wife because he found out that she lied about his son.
According to the Christian teachings, this mass murder is in heaven because he accepted Christ while the Buddha, a prince who supposedly gave up wealth and power to dedicate himself to the poor, earns a place in hell.
Yes... that one-- the monster who force-converted much of Europe to his newly-invented religion "christianity".

It was "become a Jewsus-follower or die".

Not an auspicious beginning, for a religion allegedly preaching "love one another".

Obviously, the whole saying was:

"Love one another or DIE!"

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#300 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Whereas many who read these threads are stumped by the most basic of concepts, I'd wager that the majority of non-believers are not.
I, for one, welcome deep discussions-- they are like a discovered priceless artifact, amidst a sea of ordinary rubbish.
:)
Those occasional gems are why I keep coming back-- I'm sifting for something >>interesting<<.
:D
Well you're not going to find any gems on Topix, that's for sure, lol.

Good luck anyway and it was nice chatting with you.

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#301 Feb 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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He could have learned about that if he had dared to watch the numerous History/ Discovery Channel episodes on the subject, back when those channels had interesting shows, shows that I watched as a kid.
I remember those-- back before some NewAge Idiot took over the Discovery channel networks.

... meh.

A similar thing happened to the SciFi channel-- some new age idiot who thinks the movie "Ghost Busters" was a documentary, has control now.

Roddenberry would be spinning in his grave, had he not been cremated...

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#302 Feb 25, 2013
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>No, I wasn't defending it. I just hate to see people manipulated and that's what organized religion does, manipulate people and it makes me sick.
I agree.

Sadly, these sheeple are happily walking down the chute to the fleecing, and eventual made-into-mutton...

... it is quite sad.

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#303 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed: the bible's very first morality-tale outlines that quite nicely.
What was Adam's actual sin? Why, the sin of knowledge, of course.
The bible frowns in knowledge-- it's a forbidden sin.
And nothing in the later bits of the bible contradict this.
No wonder True Believers™ are so...
... ignorant.
The logical question to ask when presented with such a fairytale is how did Adam manage to disobey God when sin appeared after he consumed the fruit? Our Xtian friends never bother to answer this nor do they bother to address the hypocrisy of the story since we are all said to have inherited original sin and yet the OT bans convicting a child for the crimes of the parent.

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#304 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I remember those-- back before some NewAge Idiot took over the Discovery channel networks.
... meh.
A similar thing happened to the SciFi channel-- some new age idiot who thinks the movie "Ghost Busters" was a documentary, has control now.
Roddenberry would be spinning in his grave, had he not been cremated...
I miss the days when they used to put real history on the History Channel and real science/history on the Discovery Channel. Now a xtian kid is deprived of one mean of finding out the truth about his despicable religion.

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#305 Feb 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> I miss the days when they used to put real history on the History Channel and real science/history on the Discovery Channel. Now a xtian kid is deprived of one mean of finding out the truth about his despicable religion.
Yeah. Back at the start, I used to love watching the vintage B&W propaganda--erm--documentary films made shortly after WW2.

Many of those were quite fascinating to watch, and I especially enjoyed the ones produced by British television.

Once in a great while, on the military channel feed, really late (early) at night they'll run a sequence of those.

But the modern dreck is carefully crafted such that no single point lasts longer than 30 seconds, before moving on to the next bullet-point.

... meh.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#306 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yeah. Back at the start, I used to love watching the vintage B&W propaganda--erm--documentary films made shortly after WW2.
Many of those were quite fascinating to watch, and I especially enjoyed the ones produced by British television.
Once in a great while, on the military channel feed, really late (early) at night they'll run a sequence of those.
But the modern dreck is carefully crafted such that no single point lasts longer than 30 seconds, before moving on to the next bullet-point.
... meh.
and the constantly changing screen or shaky-camera action sequences...like people can't read maps or pay attention longer than the average TV advert anymore...

i call it the Sesame Street Syndrome.

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