Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1635 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#267 Feb 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>two things. a synagogue was not necassarily a building. it was made up of at least 10 male jews. it could have met in a house or under a tree.
second if japhia [pagan name] and nazareth [jewish name] were the same place back then that would explain why josephus a roman historian trying to prove his loyalty to ceasar would have used the name japhia and the jewish writers of the new testament would have avoided mentioning the name japhia.
see how that works?
We've already established your Josephus' entries about your fictional "jesus" is 100% fraud.

Why do you persist in the lie?

Hmmm?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#268 Feb 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>do you rewrite that each time or do you just paste it?
I type in excess of 70 words a minute.

I usually rewrite it.

But it certainly fits your lying style, doesn't it?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#269 Feb 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that is your fall back response?
Nope.

It is presumed that ALL of you Genuine Christians™ will lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit mayhem and so on.

Unless you prove otherwise, with lots and lots of evidence.

Why?

Because your worldview is at it's most basic level, a flat lie.

And you KNOW this--- you even have a nice word for it: faith.

And you actually have the brass-ones to pretend that this lie(faith) is ...

... somehow a VIRTUE!

Wow.

So, any group of people that consider it a virtue to LIE, cannot be trusted.

Do you see, now?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#270 Feb 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>ok, prove it
The default position, is that it is NOT TRUE, without any evidence.

It is not up to ME to prove your soul thingy is false.

It is up to YOU to prove it IS NOT false--the default position (that it's false).

See?

Or do I need to dumb it down some more?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#271 Feb 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>ok, humor me. just where did Jesus tell his followers to sell everything.
Wow.

You don't even read your OWN BOOK!

That's typical, by the way-- it goes hand-in-glove with your nearly constant lying, I guess.

Go use an on-line bible, to search for the bits about the rich man entering heaven, and then, search for the bits about treasures in heaven, and then, look for the bits about taxes and ownership.

Jesus was against ownership, against riches, against earthly possessions, and for paying taxes.

Since you obviously own a computer, you fail that command, and I bet you cheat on your taxes every year, so you fail that one.

But you are unlikely to be rich-- so that one you get at least.

But, no, I'm not going to do your homework FOR you. It's not my job, you see.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#272 Feb 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
AH the old christian temper tantrum argument that says, I have no proof for my claim but YOU prove it is wrong!
LMFAO!
<quoted text>
Yep.

He forgot that the default state for ALL claims is "false".

The only way to over come this? Is with...facts.

He has no facts of any kind.

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#273 Feb 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, the current city of nazareth is a mile away. cities move. either nazareth was a small insignificant location or it shared the same location with japhia. josephus had every reason in the world to call it japhia instead of nazareth. he was a captured by surrender jewish leader of the rebellion against rome who over time was able to convince the romans of his loyalty to their supremacy.
Look, you lunitic-- we have already established Josephs' bits are false.

Give it up already-- you LOST that one.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#274 Feb 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
It is presumed that ALL of you Genuine Christians™ will lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit mayhem and so on.
Unless you prove otherwise, with lots and lots of evidence.
Why?
Because your worldview is at it's most basic level, a flat lie.
And you KNOW this--- you even have a nice word for it: faith.
And you actually have the brass-ones to pretend that this lie(faith) is ...
... somehow a VIRTUE!
Wow.
So, any group of people that consider it a virtue to LIE, cannot be trusted.
Do you see, now?
Then disproving his existence should be no problem for ya, right?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#275 Feb 24, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Then disproving his existence should be no problem for ya, right?
About as easy as you disproving leprechauns. Think you can do it?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#276 Feb 24, 2013
madscot wrote:
<quoted text>
About as easy as you disproving leprechauns. Think you can do it?
Leprechauns? LMAO! LTR is that you? LMAO!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#277 Feb 24, 2013
Yet he called all the other Jewish settlements by their Jewish names for some reason. Barry I am sorry but you are just are just pulling stuff right out of your christhole now. Oh and on later maps when Nazareth actually existed it shows the other city as well. Seriously at least make up feasible lies okay?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, the current city of nazareth is a mile away. cities move. either nazareth was a small insignificant location or it shared the same location with japhia. josephus had every reason in the world to call it japhia instead of nazareth. he was a captured by surrender jewish leader of the rebellion against rome who over time was able to convince the romans of his loyalty to their supremacy.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#278 Feb 24, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Leprechauns? LMAO! LTR is that you? LMAO!
Can you disprove them? It should be as easy as disproving God.

Since: May 08

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#279 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
In regards to what is true it's beside the point of what people think. What's true is true. You can have your own opinions but not your own facts. Billy made a fortune of people's delusion.
<quoted text>
We're saying the same thing but coming about this conclusion in a different fashion, wouldn't you agree? I haven't stated whether I believe or not. I've simply stated what's "supposed" to be true for most Christian Followes of the Grahams.

Since: Mar 12

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#280 Feb 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
My cat is more intelligent than he is, sadly.
:)
LOL! Of that I am sure!

:)

Since: Mar 11

United States

#281 Feb 25, 2013
You said Billy twisted the teachings of the bible. But you really can't say that because the bible myth is so contradicting and muddled you can literally find just about any justification for anything in it. In the NT we see Jesus do exactly this when arguing with Jewish people. The Jew would say, we do this as commanded by this passage. Jesus funny enough would pull out a contradicting passage! Yes the bible itself admits that it's bullsht! Christians don't need to take my word Jesus points it out! Oh but it gets better! After pointing out contradictions in the Torah Jesus specifically says he is not there to change one single word of it! Wtf?!!!

It's such a convoluted mess of a myth, honestly how anyone could take it remotely seriously is beyond me.
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>We're saying the same thing but coming about this conclusion in a different fashion, wouldn't you agree? I haven't stated whether I believe or not. I've simply stated what's "supposed" to be true for most Christian Followes of the Grahams.

Since: May 08

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#282 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You said Billy twisted the teachings of the bible. But you really can't say that because the bible myth is so contradicting and muddled you can literally find just about any justification for anything in it. In the NT we see Jesus do exactly this when arguing with Jewish people. The Jew would say, we do this as commanded by this passage. Jesus funny enough would pull out a contradicting passage! Yes the bible itself admits that it's bullsht! Christians don't need to take my word Jesus points it out! Oh but it gets better! After pointing out contradictions in the Torah Jesus specifically says he is not there to change one single word of it! Wtf?!!!
It's such a convoluted mess of a myth, honestly how anyone could take it remotely seriously is beyond me.
<quoted text>
Not exactly. Jesus stated that he didn't come to change the laws but to fulfill them. He also stated that most of the laws in the OT or Torah were made due to the hard hearteness of the people who needed these laws. For example, when a woman was found to have committed adultry, the crowd was ready to stone her and the law (OT) was on their side. Jesus did not contradict the law but merely stated, yes it is written, however, he amoung you who is w/o sin cast the first stone.

The bible is a compliation of many ancient writings handed down and more than likely was complied by Josephus, a Roman historian hundreds, perhaps thousands of years after said events.

I've read ancient Sumerian texts that are so familiar with what is written in the OT that I am almost tempted to believe that these writngs were the basis for the OT. Don't misunderstand me, I get what you're saying. My point is not whether or not you and I believe in the bible or Christianity itself. The point is believers and followers of Graham do and in that respect, his legacy, among them and other believers is now forever tainted if they were to be truthful because his particular brand of Christianity went against their very own teachings.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#283 Feb 25, 2013
The adulterous woman myth doesn't show up until 1100 years later.

Oops :)

Jesus said he wasn't going to change one word. Not. One. Single. Word. Then he goes on to show contradictions in the Torah. Lol! Classic!

But what you don't get is anything you questioned him on as a betrayal of Christian beliefs he would have a dozen scriptures backing up what he was doing. This is easy to do because the entire bible is a schlock fest of wild errors and contradictions. It's so bad it's comical.
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>Not exactly. Jesus stated that he didn't come to change the laws but to fulfill them. He also stated that most of the laws in the OT or Torah were made due to the hard hearteness of the people who needed these laws. For example, when a woman was found to have committed adultry, the crowd was ready to stone her and the law (OT) was on their side. Jesus did not contradict the law but merely stated, yes it is written, however, he amoung you who is w/o sin cast the first stone.
The bible is a compliation of many ancient writings handed down and more than likely was complied by Josephus, a Roman historian hundreds, perhaps thousands of years after said events.
I've read ancient Sumerian texts that are so familiar with what is written in the OT that I am almost tempted to believe that these writngs were the basis for the OT. Don't misunderstand me, I get what you're saying. My point is not whether or not you and I believe in the bible or Christianity itself. The point is believers and followers of Graham do and in that respect, his legacy, among them and other believers is now forever tainted if they were to be truthful because his particular brand of Christianity went against their very own teachings.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#284 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The adulterous woman myth doesn't show up until 1100 years later.
Oops :)
Jesus said he wasn't going to change one word. Not. One. Single. Word. Then he goes on to show contradictions in the Torah. Lol! Classic!
But what you don't get is anything you questioned him on as a betrayal of Christian beliefs he would have a dozen scriptures backing up what he was doing. This is easy to do because the entire bible is a schlock fest of wild errors and contradictions. It's so bad it's comical.
<quoted text>
Did you really read my post? I don't think we're in sync here because if you did, you'd see we're not in disagreement. It's you who seems to be stuck on what Jesus did or did not say and what's in the bible that I already said was most likely written hundreds or thousands of years after the fact.

What points are you trying to prove to me???

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#285 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The adulterous woman myth doesn't show up until 1100 years later.
Oops :)
Jesus said he wasn't going to change one word. Not. One. Single. Word. Then he goes on to show contradictions in the Torah. Lol! Classic!
But what you don't get is anything you questioned him on as a betrayal of Christian beliefs he would have a dozen scriptures backing up what he was doing. This is easy to do because the entire bible is a schlock fest of wild errors and contradictions. It's so bad it's comical.
<quoted text>
The Graham organization is supposedly a Christian Ministry, of that there is no doubt. Therefore, on topic, if Graham goes against what's in the bible, and most importantly, what he's been preaching for eons, for the sake of intejecting himself/oganization into a political debate, what does that make him, Jesus and the bible aside? What does that do to his legacy? That was the question and topic of this thread and I do believe I answered it honestly and truthfully. It tarnishes his reputation. Whether the bible is fact or myth is not the question, nor whether Jesus is a myth or what he did or did not say. We're talking dogma here and Graham went against his dogma and what's known as "Christian" dogma and there's no way around this.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#286 Feb 25, 2013
Yes The bible is such a silly collection of ancient myths. Maybe 2000 years from now a conman televangelist for the Star Wars religion will say Luke and Han were brothers and scam people out of money.
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>The Graham organization is supposedly a Christian Ministry, of that there is no doubt. Therefore, on topic, if Graham goes against what's in the bible, and most importantly, what he's been preaching for eons, for the sake of intejecting himself/oganization into a political debate, what does that make him, Jesus and the bible aside? What does that do to his legacy? That was the question and topic of this thread and I do believe I answered it honestly and truthfully. It tarnishes his reputation. Whether the bible is fact or myth is not the question, nor whether Jesus is a myth or what he did or did not say. We're talking dogma here and Graham went against his dogma and what's known as "Christian" dogma and there's no way around this.

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