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Richard Dawkins' Next Book to Detail His Personal Path to Atheism

There are 69 comments on the TheBlaze.com story from Jun 5, 2012, titled Richard Dawkins' Next Book to Detail His Personal Path to Atheism. In it, TheBlaze.com reports that:

Famed scientist Richard Dawkins isn't shy about his non-belief. In fact, the well-known atheist has written numerous books touting it, including, "The God Delusion," "The Magic of Reality" and "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution," among others.

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sundaytrucker

United States

#43 Jun 11, 2012
"On living simply:the golden voice of john chrysostem""
John K wrote:
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Who said I was not accountable for my actions? I have always been held acountable for my actions. If anyone knows of something I need to be held acountable for please speak up. I have no problem taking responsibility for my actions. Who the heck are you to say that I am running from my miss deeds? The arrogance of the Christian mind.
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This is all you got? A made up conversation with a made up deity? Lame!
I am sorry that you can not think clearly about deities. Maybe someday you will remove the fog of theism from your mind. We can't really help you except to point you to some excelent books that will help you on your journey to a clearer mind. Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" and James Burke's "The Day the Universe Changed" Dawkins "Blind Watchmaker" and that really excelent book by an author I can't seem to remember "A World Only Lit by Fire". These books should get your head a spinning in the right direction. Or at least get you to a point of being more aware of reality. There are so many other books that will help, too many for me to list. I should just let you borrow my book collection. Oh I just remembered a really good one - James Randi's "Flim Flam". Or how about a book by a forgotten author "Don't Call Me Brother" ( an excellent book). And any book written by Steve Allen. I could go on and on, there are just too many good books to remember. Everyone else please contribute some book titles that this guy can read that will head him to more clearer thinking.
sundaytrucker

United States

#44 Jun 11, 2012
Is it gonna be titled "my path to atheism" or "my path to publishing royalties"?
John K

Buffalo, NY

#45 Jun 11, 2012
That is funny but most atheist came to their conclusions by saturating their minds with the thoughts of many great minds. And you don't have to pay royalties when borrowing from the library or a friend. Also many out of print books are availabe for free on the Internet. So get reading already.....
sundaytrucker

United States

#46 Jun 11, 2012
John K wrote:
That is funny but most atheist came to their conclusions by saturating their minds with the thoughts of many great minds. And you don't have to pay royalties when borrowing from the library or a friend. Also many out of print books are availabe for free on the Internet. So get reading already.....
more knowledge can be a good thing. Although those books may expose some dogma they don't disprove the existence of God. Hasn't been disproved yet.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#47 Jun 12, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
How is a symbolic adam & eve different? Isn't the phrase itself "original sin" self explanatory?...
The phrase is meaningless if there was no "fall from grace".
sundaytrucker wrote:
...And where is this messianic demand to obey the OT?...
Matthew 5:18-19

Also, Jesus talks about the Flood in Matthew 24, talks about Abel in Luke 11, Lot's wife in Luke 17, Jonah in Matthew 12, etc.
sundaytrucker wrote:
.... Sorry I know this is silly to you. And I'm not a biblical scholar. I'm just a Christian.
Yes you claim to believe in this book's teachings.

Most atheists are very well versed in the Bible. For a number of us, that was our "eye opener" that led to our skepticism. I studied theology in college back in the early '70s.

A thorough understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#48 Jun 12, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
<quoted text>more knowledge can be a good thing. Although those books may expose some dogma they don't disprove the existence of God. Hasn't been disproved yet.
You don't need to disprove something that has never been proved to begin with.
sundaytrucker

United States

#49 Jun 12, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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You don't need to disprove something that has never been proved to begin with.
true but you can't say there is no God. Not emphatically anyway. You can believe there is no God. But that's a bit of a "leap of faith"jk
sundaytrucker

United States

#50 Jun 12, 2012
The matthew 5 refers the law and the prophets and not abolishing the laws but fulfilling them. So, and I may be wrong but I can't be condemned by the law because I've been saved through the blood of Christ.

If a thorough understanding of the bible is a sure path to atheism why isn't it on your recommended reading list?
Hedonist wrote:
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The phrase is meaningless if there was no "fall from grace".
<quoted text>
Matthew 5:18-19
Also, Jesus talks about the Flood in Matthew 24, talks about Abel in Luke 11, Lot's wife in Luke 17, Jonah in Matthew 12, etc.
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Yes you claim to believe in this book's teachings.
Most atheists are very well versed in the Bible. For a number of us, that was our "eye opener" that led to our skepticism. I studied theology in college back in the early '70s.
A thorough understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism.
sundaytrucker

United States

#51 Jun 12, 2012
Sundaytrucker is signing his hypocritical ass off. Bye now.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#52 Jun 12, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
<quoted text>true but you can't say there is no God. Not emphatically anyway. You can believe there is no God. But that's a bit of a "leap of faith"jk
Yeah ... just like believing there's no garden gnomes, Easter Bunny, faeries, Thor, etc.

Absurd claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#53 Jun 12, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
The matthew 5 refers the law and the prophets and not abolishing the laws but fulfilling them. So, and I may be wrong but I can't be condemned by the law because I've been saved through the blood of Christ.
If a thorough understanding of the bible is a sure path to atheism why isn't it on your recommended reading list?<quoted text>
Because most people who have been taught their religion don't really read their holy scriptures. They only know the apologetics they've been taught. And since this level of teaching usually occurs at the same time and to the same level as teaching you your first language, it is next to impossible for someone so taught to get passed these apologetics from the outside.

Only after you start questioning what you've been taught about you religion can you begin to re-read you holy books with a questioning mind.

(And, note that this is true for all religions, not just yours. If you had been born in India, you would be just as adamant about Hindu apologetics...in Iran it would be Islamic apolegetics...etc. further underscoring the enculturization of religions.)
sundaytrucker

United States

#54 Jun 12, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Yeah ... just like believing there's no garden gnomes, Easter Bunny, faeries, Thor, etc.
Absurd claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration.
right. So we agree the claim "there is no God" is absurd?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#55 Jun 12, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
<quoted text>right. So we agree the claim "there is no God" is absurd?
No. It means that magical invisible sky deities make as much sense as all these other absurd claims.
sundaytrucker

United States

#56 Jun 12, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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No. It means that magical invisible sky deities make as much sense as all these other absurd claims.
"what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" so "there is no God" is dismissed.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#57 Jun 12, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
<quoted text>"what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" so "there is no God" is dismissed.
But it is not the atheistic assertion that deities have been disproven, only that they are unproven.

You are the one making the positive assertion.

This is not to say that particular, well defined deities can, and have bee proven to not exist -- Thor, Odin, Zeus, etc.

If you really want me to "prove" that your particular version of deity does not exist, I'd be more than happy to oblige. Just tell me the specific properties of this claimed deity of yours such that a determination of existence can be considered.

Without such a definitive set of properties, a claim of existence is in and of itself absurd and discussion of existence is meaningless.
sundaytrucker

United States

#58 Jun 12, 2012
Does it have to be that complicated? Either there is a God or there isn't.which is it?
Hedonist wrote:
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But it is not the atheistic assertion that deities have been disproven, only that they are unproven.
You are the one making the positive assertion.
This is not to say that particular, well defined deities can, and have bee proven to not exist -- Thor, Odin, Zeus, etc.
If you really want me to "prove" that your particular version of deity does not exist, I'd be more than happy to oblige. Just tell me the specific properties of this claimed deity of yours such that a determination of existence can be considered.
Without such a definitive set of properties, a claim of existence is in and of itself absurd and discussion of existence is meaningless.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#59 Jun 13, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
Does it have to be that complicated? Either there is a God or there isn't.which is it?<quoted text>
Define what you mean by "god"?

Although I could never rule out the existence of some as yet undefined deity, I can easily dismiss every definition for deity that has ever been offered.

Therefore, the God concept is, at best, meaningless, and at worse demonstrably false. Certainly the 'old man in the sky' version is simply false. Certainly the 'creator of the earth 6000 years ago' is also false.

Without a clear definition of what is meant by the term "god" any consideration of existence is meaningless and absurd.
sundaytrucker

United States

#60 Jun 13, 2012
So you're more agnostic than atheist. You cannot confirm nor deny the existence of a God which most people define as a creator/supreme being. Forgive me for assuming you don't know if there is a creator. I believe there is but could not prove it nor could I disprove it. Can you demonstrate the falseness of a concept? That sounds redundant.
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Define what you mean by "god"?
Although I could never rule out the existence of some as yet undefined deity, I can easily dismiss every definition for deity that has ever been offered.
Therefore, the God concept is, at best, meaningless, and at worse demonstrably false. Certainly the 'old man in the sky' version is simply false. Certainly the 'creator of the earth 6000 years ago' is also false.
Without a clear definition of what is meant by the term "god" any consideration of existence is meaningless and absurd.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#61 Jun 13, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
So you're more agnostic than atheist. You cannot confirm nor deny the existence of a God which most people define as a creator/supreme being. Forgive me for assuming you don't know if there is a creator. I believe there is but could not prove it nor could I disprove it. Can you demonstrate the falseness of a concept? That sounds redundant. <quoted text>
The terms are NOT mutually exclusive.

Theism/atheism deals with belief. If you have a belief in one or more deities, you are a theist. If have no such belief, you are an atheist.

Gnosticism/agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief. As nobody really "knows", we are all agnostic.

But the term "atheist" is just a category that describes what I am not -- I'm not a theist.

To be philosophically accurate, I'd be better classified as an "ignostic".

But none of these classifications really tell you anything at all about what a person is -- I'm a Humanists.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#62 Jun 13, 2012
sundaytrucker wrote:
So you're more agnostic than atheist. You cannot confirm nor deny the existence of a God which most people define as a creator/supreme being. Forgive me for assuming you don't know if there is a creator. I believe there is but could not prove it nor could I disprove it. Can you demonstrate the falseness of a concept? That sounds redundant. <quoted text>
As to the "falseness of a concept" question. There are degrees of certainty and a huge gap between probable, possible, and plausible.

Russell's Teapot comes to mind as the classic argument here. Can I prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no little teapot orbiting in space between the orbits of the Earth and Mars? No. Can I prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are no faeries at the bottom of my well keeping my garden growing? No.

But I can dismiss them as being highly improbable and not worth my time for any serious consideration.

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