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#1222 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Let's see, it is now page number 61, post number 1220. I should have just avoided what I knew was going to happen. I even said it on post number 71
"All I asked is where Jesus told them to do any of the bad things they do. Do you want to start a whole thread discussing whether God exists or not? I can promise you that thread will last forever, for nobody can prove that God exists and nobody can prove that God doesn't exist. It's a rather pointless discussion."
This is an atheism forum and atheists don't believe in god. Your conclusion that god cannot be disproven is flawed.

You're a liar and are probably just another creationist trying to pose as an agnostic.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1223 Jul 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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This is an atheism forum
This is probably the 8th time I have had to tell you this. It is NOT an atheist forum, it is a forum about Islam. And this is NOT even an atheist topic. Read the title. What is the matter with you? Why do you keep repeating this same mistake?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#1224 Jul 1, 2013
That doesn't look like a definition for mystic.
Seeker wrote:
Let's see, it is now page number 61, post number 1220. I should have just avoided what I knew was going to happen. I even said it on post number 71

"All I asked is where Jesus told them to do any of the bad things they do. Do you want to start a whole thread discussing whether God exists or not? I can promise you that thread will last forever, for nobody can prove that God exists and nobody can prove that God doesn't exist. It's a rather pointless discussion."

I've really really spent or even wasted a ton of time on this. If any of you think you have as well, times it by five or six for me, because for every five or six of you, there is only one me. And at the end of the day, all that anybody can really say is that their guess is more likely.

Some where around 1100 hundred posts and a completely hijacked thread, and this is where we are at. Nobody can PROVE anything and this is what I said right up front. I've been through these discussions many many times.

I think I made a huge mistake even bothering to discuss this. I can't think of how many more productive things I should have been doing.
Thinking

York, UK

#1225 Jul 1, 2013
Then who should?
Seeker wrote:
I can't think of how many more productive things I should have been doing.
Thinking

York, UK

#1226 Jul 1, 2013
Note that Topix threads do not have to belong to just one forum.

Example:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TV8...

Maybe both parties should take equal honours here.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
This is probably the 8th time I have had to tell you this. It is NOT an atheist forum, it is a forum about Islam. And this is NOT even an atheist topic. Read the title. What is the matter with you? Why do you keep repeating this same mistake?
Thinking

York, UK

#1227 Jul 1, 2013
You say that god loses some overall control in affording humans free will, and that's why bad things happen.

I maintain that an all powerful god does not require humanity to endure miscarriages, cot deaths and childhood leukaemia in order to afford us free will.

If god does require this, god is either not all powerful, or not compassionate, or does not exist at all.
Seeker wrote:
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I know and it is also an attested fact that plenty of people who believe in God don't say "why me?", they just accept it as God's will. So what is your point?

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#1228 Jul 1, 2013
Back in the day when few people could read, God supposedly jumps in to save a donkey from getting whipped. Shame he can't save the hundreds of thousands of children killed a year in his name these days.
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>You say that god loses some overall control in affording humans free will, and that's why bad things happen.

I maintain that an all powerful god does not require humanity to endure miscarriages, cot deaths and childhood leukaemia in order to afford us free will.

If god does require this, god is either not all powerful, or not compassionate, or does not exist at all.
Thinking

York, UK

#1229 Jul 1, 2013
That's the other thing about scripture - it makes god sound so limited and unambitious.
Givemeliberty wrote:
Back in the day when few people could read, God supposedly jumps in to save a donkey from getting whipped. Shame he can't save the hundreds of thousands of children killed a year in his name these days.
<quoted text>
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1230 Jul 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You say that god loses some overall control in affording humans free will, and that's why bad things happen.
I maintain that an all powerful god does not require humanity to endure miscarriages, cot deaths and childhood leukaemia in order to afford us free will.
If god does require this, god is either not all powerful, or not compassionate, or does not exist at all.
<quoted text>
That's because you have all of the knowledge that a postulated creator of the universe has. So surely if xyz happens, you know that it shouldn't be, because from where you stand, and the last time you create one, and found out the results, it worked out much better. After all, you are coming from a perspective of perfect knowledge of what it takes to create a universe. So you know that things should be the way you think that they should be, and everything would be better if they were, because you have tested that yourself. Therefore if it isn't that way, there can be no intelligent or even ultimately benevolent creator because you know better about what it would be like if there was. Because you know that if you were in that spot, you would do things differently and you know that things would ultimately turn out better. I suppose that one would have to be God, to know the mistakes that have been made and therefore posit no God.
Thinking

York, UK

#1231 Jul 1, 2013
This coming from the guy that didn't realise this thread could be accessed from the Atheism forum...

Again, I'm not asking god to do my bidding, I'm saying that any god that allows miscarriages, cot deaths and childhood leukaemia is not all powerful and compassionate.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because you have all of the knowledge that a postulated creator of the universe has. So surely if xyz happens, you know that it shouldn't be, because from where you stand, and the last time you create one, and found out the results, it worked out much better. After all, you are coming from a perspective of perfect knowledge of what it takes to create a universe. So you know that things should be the way you think that they should be, and everything would be better if they were, because you have tested that yourself. Therefore if it isn't that way, there can be no intelligent or even ultimately benevolent creator because you know better about what it would be like if there was. Because you know that if you were in that spot, you would do things differently and you know that things would ultimately turn out better. I suppose that one would have to be God, to know the mistakes that have been made and therefore posit no God.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1232 Jul 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
This coming from the guy that didn't realise this thread could be accessed from the Atheism forum...
Is it supposed to be called an Atheist forum as Skeptic has called it?
Thinking wrote:
Again, I'm not asking god to do my bidding, I'm saying that any god that allows miscarriages, cot deaths and childhood leukaemia is not all powerful and compassionate.
<quoted text>
Right, so if you were God this would never happen. So there can't be a God that is ultimately good in the long run, because you know better. You have the larger picture at hand.

Look, I empathize completely, but I also only have limited tools to see any larger picture, assuming one exists. Maybe there isn't one, but to assume there isn't one just because it doesn't make sense to me isn't really any reason to draw any final conclusions. I don't misunderstand anything that you say. It's logical. No doubt about it. It's not like I haven't asked the same things or thought the same thoughts. I hurt to look at things like this every bit as much as you probably do. I actually do charity work and it really pains me sometimes and causes me very deep questions But I don't know what would actually happen if I got the same chance to create all of this myself in my own way. Maybe I might be surprised at the results if it was done my own way. Maybe I would see details that I never even dreamed of when I did it all my way and watched it happen and not turn out the way I ultimately thought it would. Now you might logically say, but God should know better. But how do we know that God doesn't? For me, the entire thing is just too hard to ever pin down. Even judging an NFL coach is too hard for me even though I swear that they make mistake after mistake during the game.
Thinking

York, UK

#1233 Jul 1, 2013
You're using parochial NFLisms in a Universe that is very large.

No more miscarriages
No more cot death
No more childhood leukaemia

So why do you have an issue with me judging your god as negligent?
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it supposed to be called an Atheist forum as Skeptic has called it?
<quoted text>
Right, so if you were God this would never happen. So there can't be a God that is ultimately good in the long run, because you know better. You have the larger picture at hand.
Look, I empathize completely, but I also only have limited tools to see any larger picture, assuming one exists. Maybe there isn't one, but to assume there isn't one just because it doesn't make sense to me isn't really any reason to draw any final conclusions. I don't misunderstand anything that you say. It's logical. No doubt about it. It's not like I haven't asked the same things or thought the same thoughts. I hurt to look at things like this every bit as much as you probably do. I actually do charity work and it really pains me sometimes and causes me very deep questions But I don't know what would actually happen if I got the same chance to create all of this myself in my own way. Maybe I might be surprised at the results if it was done my own way. Maybe I would see details that I never even dreamed of when I did it all my way and watched it happen and not turn out the way I ultimately thought it would. Now you might logically say, but God should know better. But how do we know that God doesn't? For me, the entire thing is just too hard to ever pin down. Even judging an NFL coach is too hard for me even though I swear that they make mistake after mistake during the game.

“The Abrahamic God”

Since: Jan 10

is a serial murderer

#1234 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
How about everything? Why does everything point to any or every OTHER explanation but not a non created creator? We entertain all other possibilities and give them credence, and yet they have no more credence than an uncreated creator.
What other explanation? There is no evidence of the universe being created, until further scientific comes out in favor of the latter, we cannot state that the universe was created or that it has a creator. What you want us to do is pull a guess out of thin air

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1236 Jul 1, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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The story of Job makes God sound like some cruel king or some macabre serial killer. Despotic monarchs like Henry VIII or Ivan the Terrible are known for being friends with people one day and killing those people the next day. Serial killers are known for wanting the power to take lives at will.
Yes. Another trait of serial killers is an utter lack of empathy.

Bible-god has no empathy either-- as demonstrated by Job, and Lot's wife, and that guy who was murdered just for steadying the Ark of the Covenant.

Zero empathy by bible's god.

Ugg.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1237 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
This is probably the 8th time I have had to tell you this. It is NOT an atheist forum, it is a forum about Islam. And this is NOT even an atheist topic. Read the title. What is the matter with you? Why do you keep repeating this same mistake?
Look closely at the following link. It was c&p'd from above this page. >>>
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
<<< in it you can see some words, the first one being " topix.com " then, "forum", and then "religion", and lastly "atheism". Though it may be cross posted in other forums, we know where we are at, and we are not in Islam's threads. So would you care to keep repeating your mistake, for a ninth time?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1238 Jul 1, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it ironic that he says that god wants to test us for "true love," the reason being
1-A all knowing God should not need to test us to know if we truly loved him
2-In the bible, the devil tries to tempt Jesus into testing God's love for him, but Jesus' refuses saying that he has no right to do so. Yet, according to Seeker, it is totally appropriate for God to do the same to us.
Yes, a bundle of contradictions is the ugly buybull.

More to the point? What sort of parent is constantly testing his or her children's love?

Sounds like a horrid and failed parent, to me...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1239 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, more appropriately, it says cause unknown, not uncaused,
False. QM demonstrates spontaneous appearance (from nothing--the more "pure" the nothing? The more likely a spontaneous event occurs) of a particle-pair.

Uncaused.

The universe itself could very well be such an event.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1240 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
So how do we know that things that "appear" to pop into existence aren't just borrowed energy from a parallel universe and then we ask the cause or origin of the parallel universe.
It's an infinite regression of an infinite number of parallel universes.

Easy as pie.

If **you** get to invoke Special Pleading to fabricate your god?

We can use the **same** invocation to create infinite parallel universes.

All without any fantastically unbelievable things such as "god" in them.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1241 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
So when there is "evidence", then I should accept the idea or theory, and until then, it gets thrown out and dismissed, right?
<quoted text>
Without a cause or cause unknown?
Yes-- your god-idea has zero evidence and not any valid arguments either.

So yeah-- tossed on the trash-bin of history.

Along with all the other quack ideas: phlogiston theory of heat, daemon-spawn theory of sickness, evil-spirit possession theory of mental disease, Thor's hammer theory of lightning, phrenology theory of causality, and so on.

Your god-creator makes **more** problems which are unsolved and unanswered than it claims to "answer".

Moreover, the "answers" are all of the same: magic.

..... meh.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1242 Jul 1, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, so for something to have no beginning, it must be outside the universe itself.
Nope. You are jumping to unfounded conclusions. Again.

You keep **doing** that... why?

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