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There are 1239 comments on the Mediaite.com story from Apr 6, 2013, titled Gitmo Prison Guard Converts From Atheism To Islam After Seeing.... In it, Mediaite.com reports that:

CNN has an amazing story out of Guantanamo Bay about an American atheist prison camp guard that converted to Islam after spending extensive time talking to with some of the English speaking prisoners there.

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#875 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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For you to be surrounded by nothing but good people would mean that all people are good and cannot be bad, including you. Therefore, nobody, including you, could choose to be bad, and therefore they cannot choose to be good as well.
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I am explaining why there is the capability for being bad, or bad in the world, so that there is the ability to choose to be good. True love appears to be the most valuable thing that there is. But if someone does everything that you want, then you could not truly love that person, you would actually be loving what that person does for you, not the person themselves. It isn't true love until there is still love even in adversity or bad times.
I often ask Christians, if God didn't do anything or will not do anything for you (no heaven), would you still love God? And my answer would be, why not or why shouldn't I? But someone might reply, why should I if God didn't and isn't going to do anything for me? what would be the point? Then I would respond that although they thought they loved God this whole time, what they have actually been loving is what God does or will do for them, not God himself or itself. They don't like it when I bring this up.
So without adversity, we cannot truly love God, and if there was any purpose that I can think of for God creating the world leading to humans, it would be to cultivate true love, much like a person plants a tree so that it can bear fruit, although a tree does not have free will, so that's not a perfect analogy, just an analogy.
If you could create a perfect robot designed to love you and with no choice but to do so, would you ever receive true love? One might always think, well yes, you love me, but that's only because I programmed you to do so and gave you no other choice. It wouldn't be real. True love can only come from free will choice, and with that comes the choice to be bad. That doesn't mean that it's impossible for someone to always choose good, but I have never heard of anybody like like, unless one believes in the story of Jesus.
But an imperfect world is the only environment that can cultivate true love.
People say that God can do anything or is all powerful,or so the story goes. But I think that God gave up some of his or its power and control by giving humans free will, in exchange for the possibility of receiving true love from them. And "true" free will means the option or capability to be bad. If God created everything good, with no capabilities to be bad, then God would never receive true love. If God created all of this, one would or could assume that an intelligent creator would had to have a reason or purpose for doing so.
100 lines admitting youhave no proof of god and are lying about it

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#876 Jun 24, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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It's not our job to prove that. It is your job to supply proof of your creator.
Well here it is.
You asked for it now read the proof.
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodL...

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#877 Jun 24, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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100 lines admitting youhave no proof of god and are lying about it
Yes we do.
And here it is.
Read it:
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodL...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#878 Jun 24, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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100 lines admitting youhave no proof of god and are lying about it
Skeptic, I was not discussing proof for God with emperorjohn. He was asking about the Problem of Evil and how there can be a benevolent God that allows for bad or evil, so I was explaining how this could be possible. If you can't follow a conversation, then could you please just shut up? You just keep yacking and repeating the same thing when you can't even tell what the topic of the conversation between two people is. I would even ask you to stop being 16 years old if that were possible.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#879 Jun 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Well here it is.
You asked for it now read the proof.
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodL...
Shamma, just because they can't make RNA in a lab yet, does that prove that they never will? And what will you say then if they do? You are "painting yourself into a corner", as the expression goes.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#880 Jun 24, 2013
Skeptic, it doesn't do any good for you to mark every post that doesn't agree with you as nuts. Nobody cares how a post is marked anyway. Have you figured that out yet?

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#881 Jun 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Well here it is.
You asked for it now read the proof.
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodL...
Why do you insist on such stupid lies? You don't have any evidence. There is no reason for you to continue typing in this forum.

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#882 Jun 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Yes we do.
And here it is.
Read it:
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodL...
The reason failure here is the education system you grew up in.

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#883 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Skeptic, I was not discussing proof for God with emperorjohn. He was asking about the Problem of Evil and how there can be a benevolent God that allows for bad or evil, so I was explaining how this could be possible. If you can't follow a conversation, then could you please just shut up? You just keep yacking and repeating the same thing when you can't even tell what the topic of the conversation between two people is. I would even ask you to stop being 16 years old if that were possible.
Your worthless evangelicising will not work here. We have seen all the tricks over the years.

You trolls are not smart and we can spot you a mile away.

Look up nanoanomaly & Lil Ticked - trolls that tried the same technique as you and failed.

Keep lying Seeker, you are here to pormote your mental illness and nothing more. You are not curious and don't care about or respect facts.

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#884 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Skeptic, it doesn't do any good for you to mark every post that doesn't agree with you as nuts. Nobody cares how a post is marked anyway. Have you figured that out yet?
Spam will be marked as spam. Deal with it.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#885 Jun 24, 2013
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Spam will be marked as spam. Deal with it.
And you will be treated as a stupid, stubborn, angry little 16 year old kid who thinks he knows it all. Deal with it. That's pretty amazing that someone has learned all there is to know or consider by the age of 16. So maybe we SHOULD all believe that miracles are possible.

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#886 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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And you will be treated as a stupid, stubborn, angry little 16 year old kid who thinks he knows it all. Deal with it. That's pretty amazing that someone has learned all there is to know or consider by the age of 16. So maybe we SHOULD all believe that miracles are possible.
I bet you will now become a bitter defeated theist and try to spam the forum.

Doesn't matter, you have around two weeks before you are kicked for spamming.

When you are brave enough to prove your god instead of acting like a ignorant child, you are welcome back. Only joking, you should just go back to your cult and tell them you failed to convert a single athiest.

Also ask your cult leaders for proof of god while you are there.

There's a good ignorant troll who can't back up his worthless opinions with any facts whatsoever.

Happy lying.

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#887 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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And you will be treated as a stupid, stubborn, angry little 16 year old kid who thinks he knows it all. Deal with it. That's pretty amazing that someone has learned all there is to know or consider by the age of 16. So maybe we SHOULD all believe that miracles are possible.
You can't argue against a single thing I or any other atheist in this forum has said.

This makes you frustrated and causes you to try to insult, instead of of facing up to the fact that you a inadequate and don't have any proof for your stupid beliefs. Your own ego prevents you from accepting or understanding the stupidity behind the beliefs you think you hold so close.

Since: Mar 11

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#888 Jun 24, 2013
Hahahahahahahahaha! That discovery institute crap? Lol!

Thanks for the laughs!:)
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Well here it is.
You asked for it now read the proof.
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodL...

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#889 Jun 24, 2013
Hey... So... Still scared to answer the problem with evil?

Just checking to make sure your failure was continuing.

Thanks.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>And you will be treated as a stupid, stubborn, angry little 16 year old kid who thinks he knows it all. Deal with it. That's pretty amazing that someone has learned all there is to know or consider by the age of 16. So maybe we SHOULD all believe that miracles are possible.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#890 Jun 24, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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I bet you will now become a bitter defeated theist and try to spam the forum.
Doesn't matter, you have around two weeks before you are kicked for spamming.
That's pretty funny. Perhaps you continually forget that you are on a forum about religion. Go play on infidels.org . You'll love it. They will tell you everything that you want to hear and make you feel better.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#891 Jun 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hey... So... Still scared to answer the problem with evil?
Just checking to make sure your failure was continuing.
Thanks.
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I'm already discussing it with someone else, but you only read posts that you are involved in. Ready to answer that question I asked of you before the discussion between us can continue? Just checking. I would probably rather that you don't at this point, and I know you never can admit to ever making a mistake. That's fine, I prefer to discuss the issue with others anyway, so maybe you are actually doing me a favor without realizing it.

Have a nice day.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#892 Jun 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hahahahahahahahaha! That discovery institute crap? Lol!
Thanks for the laughs!:)
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Instead of laughing, why don't you have a real laugh and pick the article apart? Your blanket dismissals mean absolutely nothing. And don't look at me, I didn't post it.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

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#893 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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It is not PROVEN to be false. Even other Atheists do not state that they have PROVEN that a non created Creator of all creation does not exist, they only say that they see no reason to believe it.
False. Here on Topix, many times over, I've read and have stated that specific,**defined** gods are not only false, but provably false.

Especially bible-god, quoran-god, etc.

And an **undefined** god? Who cares? Such deities may as well not exist-- for being **undefined** they have no interaction with humans anyhow.

If they **had** interactions? There's be.... definitions.

So you are lying, yet again....

...lying appears to be a bad habit with you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#894 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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How could anybody choose to be good? If all around you is good, and you yourself were perfectly good, and therefore incapable of bad, do you really choose to be good? But if some things around you are bad, you can choose to be good, despite the bad.
Are you **seriously** this willfully stupid?

Seriously????

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