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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#772 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then those aren't really philosophers that follow the rules of Philosophy properly. None of the Philosophers that I learned about did this. They merely pondered questions of "what if" and then used the rules of logic to take the question as far as it can go.
"rules of philosophy"?

Oh! My! but your EGO IS HUGE!

Seriously.

You think that there are "magical" RULES?

Wow... just....wow.

Maybe you should PUBLISH THESE RULES OF PHILOSOPHY.

You'll be... FAMOUS!

Be sure to credit your SOURCE, now....!

<laughing out loud>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#773 Jun 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
There are plenty of fields of philosophy here that fall outside your requirement to only engage in thought experiments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
Finally, when observational evidence contradicts the proposed "what if", philosophers need to dump that "what if" and go try another one.
<quoted text>
Yep.

Reality,**always** trumps fanciful mind games.

Always.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#774 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then I guess that Rutgers University is not a reputable University.
The louder someone blows their horn?

The more likely said horn is not factual.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#775 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, since this got marked as spam, nuts and disagree, maybe I should quote some "facts".
Recent University rankings
Nationally
ARWU 40
Forbes 198
U.S. News & World Report 68
Washington Monthly 85
Globally
ARWU 61
QS 260
Times 99
But you have **failed** to establish that you actually attended.

Let alone "graduated"....

... not that it matters.

Your behavior is much more revealing.... and not in a good way, either.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#776 Jun 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I think we are being presented with the "No True Philosopher Fallacy" [sic]!
<quoted text>
Yep.

Classic-- anyone who does not automatically bow down to the ALL-MIGHTY-SEEKER, is now classed as: not a True Philosopher™

What an ego, this seeker person has on display...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#777 Jun 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I don't want to ban philosophy, looks like fun if you've got the spare time.
I liked Feynmann's explanation of how to find new scientific laws.
“Now I’m going to discuss how we would look for a new law. In general, we look for a new law by the following process. First, we guess it (audience laughter), no, don’t laugh, that’s the truth. Then we compute the consequences of the guess, to see what, if this is right, if this law we guess is right, to see what it would imply and then we compare the computation results to nature or we say compare to experiment or experience, compare it directly with observations to see if it works.
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s WRONG."
<quoted text>
Yep.

The classic difference between **science** and **philosophy**.

Whenever a science experiment shows that they were wrong-- they change the hypothesis/theory.
.
.
.
In contrast to:

Whenever a **philosopher** is shown to be wrong? Well-- obviously you just don't understand Genuine Philosophy™.

It's obvious that under the "Rules Of Philosophy" a world-reknown Philosopher is **never** wrong. Reality needs to take note, and adjust itself accordingly...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#778 Jun 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I don't want to ban philosophy, looks like fun if you've got the spare time.
I liked Feynmann's explanation of how to find new scientific laws.
“Now I’m going to discuss how we would look for a new law. In general, we look for a new law by the following process. First, we guess it (audience laughter), no, don’t laugh, that’s the truth.
That's the Philosophical aspect of asking "what if" rather than "what is".
Thinking wrote:
Then we compute the consequences of the guess, to see what, if this is right, if this law we guess is right, to see what it would imply and then we compare the computation results to nature or we say compare to experiment or experience, compare it directly with observations to see if it works.
That is the experimentation or scientific part of the process. Create an actual experiment and test it, and then if the experiment ends up working or producing the "what if" results, then it's back to the Philosophical questions of what the positive results mean, or if it doesn't work, then there are "logical" (which means Philosophical) questions of why? And Philosophy is nothing but logical postulates that ask these questions. Philosophy asks the question that need be experimented, science handles the experiments in a disciplined manner, and Philosophy or logic decides the meaning of the results.
Thinking wrote:
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s WRONG."
<quoted text>
Of course, and then new or revised "what if" or "why" questions are raised because of the results. Philosophy asks "why", not "what". Science asks "what".
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#779 Jun 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
"rules of philosophy"?
Oh! My! but your EGO IS HUGE!
Seriously.
You think that there are "magical" RULES?
Why don't you actually study it and then tell me? You can "make" or "draw" "A"s all you want on your imaginary tests or fake imaginary diploma, but get one first and then come back and talk to me. Okay? Fair enough?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#780 Jun 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
The louder someone blows their horn?
The more likely said horn is not factual.
I was asked the question and never said it before I was asked or challenged to state that. I never never mentioned anything about it until I was challenged to do so. I normally would not because it has nothing to do with any conversation, unless the other side appeared to be sorely uneducated.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#781 Jun 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
But you have **failed** to establish that you actually attended.
Let alone "graduated"....
... not that it matters.
Your behavior is much more revealing.... and not in a good way, either.
Well how could I do that without revealing my real name and hence year of graduation? I normally would have no problem shoving that "fact" in your face with a real screen cap of my diploma, but this is an Islam forum as well and I have said some very disparaging remarks about Muhammad elsewhere and you can't tell what the reaction of Muslims would be if I revealed who I really am. I wish that I could just shut your fat mouth up and prove it, but unfortunately that would not be a wise decision. So instead, I have to listen to your fat mouth instead. Oh well. Such is life. So go "make" or "draw" or "write" another "A" and claim that this was a grade you received in multiple Philosophy classes as you claimed. Nobody "makes" an "A" in classes. The draw it. Dummy.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#782 Jun 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
Classic-- anyone who does not automatically bow down to the ALL-MIGHTY-SEEKER, is now classed as: not a True Philosopher™
What an ego, this seeker person has on display...
Well why don't you try going to at least a community college and come back and have this discussion? It's not my fault. I don't say these things on purpose or out of malice, it's your nasty, ill thought out answers themselves that cause me to respond this way. If you insist on being continually nasty, then trust me, I can do that much better than you. You can bring a hammer to the discussion and "hammer" your way through things if you want to be nasty or negative, but I can bring a scalpel and cut right to the heart if you would like. So it's your choice. I'm tired of listening to this nasty, negative ignorance. It's your choice. If you want to have a civil conversation, then I'm all ears.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#783 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you actually study it and then tell me? You can "make" or "draw" "A"s all you want on your imaginary tests or fake imaginary diploma, but get one first and then come back and talk to me. Okay? Fair enough?
Your ego once again to the fore.

Amusing.

I notice how much you like to BRAG about your... "degree"... riiiight.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#784 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
I was asked the question and never said it before I was asked or challenged to state that. I never never mentioned anything about it until I was challenged to do so. I normally would not because it has nothing to do with any conversation, unless the other side appeared to be sorely uneducated.
Sure, sure bub.... whatever.

You are **still** blowing your own horn, here.

Even now.... in this very post.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#785 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well how could I do that without revealing my real name and hence year of graduation? I normally would have no problem shoving that "fact" in your face with a real screen cap of my diploma, but this is an Islam forum as well and I have said some very disparaging remarks about Muhammad elsewhere and you can't tell what the reaction of Muslims would be if I revealed who I really am. I wish that I could just shut your fat mouth up and prove it, but unfortunately that would not be a wise decision. So instead, I have to listen to your fat mouth instead. Oh well. Such is life. So go "make" or "draw" or "write" another "A" and claim that this was a grade you received in multiple Philosophy classes as you claimed. Nobody "makes" an "A" in classes. The draw it. Dummy.
More self-promotion from the horn-tooter.

More failure to produce FACT.

Classic.

I love the last bit, where you resort to playground attempts to taunt me with your hate...

.. it's clear-- you have serious ANGER issues.

<laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#786 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well why don't you try going to at least a community college and come back and have this discussion? It's not my fault. I don't say these things on purpose or out of malice, it's your nasty, ill thought out answers themselves that cause me to respond this way.
You are just mad, because I refuse to bow to your Mighty Ego Of Self Promotion!

LOL!

I can see bullshit a mile away-- and you are full of it.
LNC Llin

United States

#787 Jun 18, 2013
This from the Guardian, UK.
English look at the USA

Whenever the US Congress and Senate are officially in session, the daily activities commence with someone saying a prayer. The same ritual occurs in many state and local governments throughout America: a prayer, the pledge of allegiance to the flag and then the business of the day.
To get a feel for what these prayers are like, consider this one that opened the US House of Representatives session on Friday:
"God our Father, we give You thanks for giving us another day. Bless the Members of the people's House as they gather at the end of another week in the Capitol. Endow each with the graces needed to attend to the issues of the day with wisdom, that the results of their efforts might benefit the citizens of our Nation and the world.
"On this Flag Day, may we be reminded of the greatness of the democratic experiment that is the Republic of the United States and diligent in our responsibilities as citizens to guarantee the freedoms enumerated in the Constitution for all who claim this country as their home.
"We also ask Your blessing leading into this weekend upon fathers throughout our country. May they be their best selves, and may their children appreciate fully the blessing their fathers have been to them. May all that is done this day be for Your greater honor and glory. Amen."
This was said by the House's resident chaplain, a Roman Catholic priest. He gives many of the prayers, although "guest chaplains" from other faith backgrounds are also invited throughout the year.
In an increasingly diverse nation, people are rightly asking if these prayers still have a place. The simplistic answer is to demand complete separation of church and state and advocate for the end of these prayers. But they are a tradition that has been in place since the initial meeting of the Continental Congress in 1774 (and even earlier in some state sessions).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/ ...
Thinking

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#788 Jun 18, 2013
No.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the Philosophical aspect of asking "what if" rather than "what is".
<quoted text>
That is the experimentation or scientific part of the process. Create an actual experiment and test it, and then if the experiment ends up working or producing the "what if" results, then it's back to the Philosophical questions of what the positive results mean, or if it doesn't work, then there are "logical" (which means Philosophical) questions of why? And Philosophy is nothing but logical postulates that ask these questions. Philosophy asks the question that need be experimented, science handles the experiments in a disciplined manner, and Philosophy or logic decides the meaning of the results.
<quoted text>
Of course, and then new or revised "what if" or "why" questions are raised because of the results. Philosophy asks "why", not "what". Science asks "what".

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#789 Jun 18, 2013
That's a funny way of saying you can't mystic up an answer for the philosophical problem of god!

Oh and yes, you made up your own definition for mystic and you reworded the definition of agnostic and were caught red handed when you FINALLY posted a link to your definition that did not say what you claimed it said.

Stop being dishonest and this won't happen.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text> you made that accusation of me altering a definition that I found.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#790 Jun 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
That's a funny way of saying you can't mystic up an answer for the philosophical problem of god!
Oh and yes, you made up your own definition for mystic and you reworded the definition of agnostic and were caught red handed when you FINALLY posted a link to your definition that did not say what you claimed it said.
Stop being dishonest and this won't happen.
<quoted text>
It is doubtful such an egomaniac can stop being dishonest.

He'd have to re-evaluate himself.

And we cannot have **that**...

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#791 Jun 18, 2013
I do laugh at how Mr. Philosophy genius can't mystic up an answer for the problem of evil.

I guess he was mystic-aken? Lol!
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>It is doubtful such an egomaniac can stop being dishonest.

He'd have to re-evaluate himself.

And we cannot have **that**...

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