Gitmo Prison Guard Converts From Atheism To Islam After Seeing...

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CNN has an amazing story out of Guantanamo Bay about an American atheist prison camp guard that converted to Islam after spending extensive time talking to with some of the English speaking prisoners there.

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“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#22 Apr 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Not really. The only thing I found sad were the parts about the violence.
Among other things Thatcher did serious harm to the trade union movements, there is a good case for the idea that the power of the trade unions was on steroids, but Thatcher didnít just got them off the steroids, she broke the back of the trade unions which wasnít a good thing for workers. I.E. She made the trade unions ballot their workers before calling a strike which is reasonable but she also made illegal to organize mass pickets which is pretty much a most have for any affective strike.
She did make the unions less powerful but went to far.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#23 Apr 9, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really. The only thing I found sad were the parts about the violence....
If you're not disgusted that people celebrate Baroness Thatcher's death (regardless of any political opinions), I think that illustrates our differences adaquately and better than any further comment of mine.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#24 Apr 10, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>If you're not disgusted that people celebrate Baroness Thatcher's death (regardless of any political opinions), I think that illustrates our differences adaquately and better than any further comment of mine.
If you think some one is evil or in Thatcher's case leaning towards it in terms of policy, regardless for their private life can you really morn?
On a somewhat side note this reminds me of Christopher Hitchens on jerry Falwell's Death bear in mind this is pretty much what Hitchens said about Falwell when he was alive, and everyone seems shocked that Hitchens would say this now.

When you have a pig one most call it a pig even if itís dead.
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#25 Apr 10, 2013
Yes, Thatcher made a bunch of mistakes.

However... I find that most people that blame Thatcher for everything would have been cu*ts whether she existed or not.
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think some one is evil or in Thatcher's case leaning towards it in terms of policy, regardless for their private life can you really morn?
On a somewhat side note this reminds me of Christopher Hitchens on jerry Falwell's Death bear in mind this is pretty much what Hitchens said about Falwell when he was alive, and everyone seems shocked that Hitchens would say this now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AP7TDDeR2gIXX
When you have a pig one most call it a pig even if itís dead.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#26 Apr 10, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Yes, Thatcher made a bunch of mistakes.
However... I find that most people that blame Thatcher for everything would have been cu*ts whether she existed or not.
<quoted text>
No it's more then that, there would be that element even if everything she did turned to gold or more likely especially if she had such power, such is the way of politics. You donít need a good argument to win power but you do need an impassioned base and Thatcher was and is the perfect target for a good hate campaign, this I hope regardless of what you think or say about her is a universal fact.
Sheik Yerbouti

New Hope, PA

#27 Apr 14, 2013
Fire the guard immediately! muslims are the enemy of western civilization!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#28 Apr 15, 2013
Marco the atheist wrote:
"nearly atheistic" is a euphemism for "still believing in god, but not finding the right religion", in other words, not atheist at all.
Givemeliberty wrote:
LMFAO this story has fail written all over it.
Sheesh nearly athesitic?
Is that like "nearly pregnant"???

WTF?

That is a meaningless phrase... you either do believe in gods, or you do not.

There is no real in-between here...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#29 Apr 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Yes, Thatcher made a bunch of mistakes.
However... I find that most people that blame Thatcher for everything would have been cu*ts whether she existed or not.
<quoted text>
Likely.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#30 Apr 15, 2013
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Fire the guard immediately! muslims are the enemy of western civilization!
Well.. they certainly fail to display the majority of traits people would call "civilized", that is for certain.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#31 May 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
And then they wonder why progressives are licking our chops at winning the next 4 presidential elections in our sleep.
<quoted text>
what do you mean "winning"? If you mean that electing a Democrat is a win for progressives, it is more like avoiding a horrible loss to extremist rightwing gOP types. I am not sure I would call HC a progressive. Elizabeth Warren is a progressive, and her senate election was a win for progressives. Biden is a progrssive on some things, but not enough. Take a look at Governor Inslee of washington state, he is closer to being a progressive. The standard for being progressive should at least be to the left of the Clintons.

And the standard for being progrssive in religioni is not the same thing as merely not being a rightwing zealot. It will take a lot of work to get moderate and liberal religionists to take as many progressive stands as an agnostic atheist should take, based on our belief that there is not going to be a cosmic rescuer if we do not do the work of saving the planet and our species and many others ourselves, with no supernatural assistance. Look at all the fools who do not build sturdy basements in tornado zones, and build too close to the shoreline, and trust God to protect them, and say global warming is a hoax, and then beg for government help after denouncing big government on all other matters.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#32 May 24, 2013
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Fire the guard immediately! muslims are the enemy of western civilization!
If thats what you think then you almost as bad as the islamic terrorists, because they would ask for the same thing if a prison guard whent from Islam to anything else. You are also an enemy of civilization it's just that you don't kill we don't have to kill you.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#33 May 24, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
If thats what you think then you almost as bad as the islamic terrorists, because they would ask for the same thing if a prison guard whent from Islam to anything else. You are also an enemy of civilization it's just that you don't kill we don't have to kill you.
Actually in a Muslim country they would demand the death of such a guard, and they might get it. In a few of them it is a death penalty "crime" to switch from Islam to Christianity.

So bad, yes. Almost as bad, not nearly.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#34 May 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually in a Muslim country they would demand the death of such a guard, and they might get it. In a few of them it is a death penalty "crime" to switch from Islam to Christianity.
So bad, yes. Almost as bad, not nearly.
Yes but both he and the Islamic terrorists want the guard gone, thats what I'm trying to get at.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#35 May 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually in a Muslim country they would demand the death of such a guard, and they might get it. In a few of them it is a death penalty "crime" to switch from Islam to Christianity.
So bad, yes. Almost as bad, not nearly.
I just saw your full post... let's just say I sould stop speed reeding.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#36 May 24, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
I just saw your full post... let's just say I sould stop speed reeding.
No problem, I have done the same thing myself more times than I care to remember.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#37 May 24, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> what do you mean "winning"? If you mean that electing a Democrat is a win for progressives, it is more like avoiding a horrible loss to extremist rightwing gOP types. I am not sure I would call HC a progressive. Elizabeth Warren is a progressive, and her senate election was a win for progressives.
Elizabeth Warren took credit for her words helping to cause the useless occupy wall street movement that had no specific demands at all. What did they want? Jobs? Money? How does one simply create jobs out of nowhere? Why are they supposed to be given money for nothing? The Vietnam protests at least had specific demands and they could tell you what they were, but when you asked occupy wall street protesters what their specific demands were, they couldn't articulate them. They were just simply angry and thought it was exciting to protest. It kind of became a sort of twisted Woodstock that attracted nothing but confused miscreants. So while I respect Elizabeth Warren's intellectualism, often intellectuals have to common sense at all and i have little respect for her holding the office she now holds. She is a highly emotional and unreasonable person. Politics is more than just being intellectual, it requires common sense and practicality as well and she appears to have neither of these attributes. All that we sent to the Senate was an unreasonable and angry intellectual. That's not the solution.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#38 May 24, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
If thats what you think then you almost as bad as the islamic terrorists, because they would ask for the same thing if a prison guard whent from Islam to anything else. You are also an enemy of civilization it's just that you don't kill we don't have to kill you.
He said fire the guard, not kill him. If he has converted to Islam, he can no longer be trusted, so I agree whole heatedly with what he said. And if a guard in a Muslim country PUBLICLY converts to another religion other than Islam, he would be jailed or even executed. No question about it.

That guard is now every bit the security risk that the Fort Hood shooter was.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#39 May 24, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> what do you mean "winning"? If you mean that electing a Democrat is a win for progressives, it is more like avoiding a horrible loss to extremist rightwing gOP types. I am not sure I would call HC a progressive.

Elizabeth Warren is a progressive, and her senate election was a win for progressives. Biden is a progrssive on some things, but not enough. Take a look at Governor Inslee of washington state, he is closer to being a progressive. The standard for being progressive should at least be to the left of the Clintons.

And the standard for being progrssive in religioni is not the same thing as merely not being a rightwing zealot. It will take a lot of work to get moderate and liberal religionists to take as many progressive stands as an agnostic atheist should take, based on our belief that there is not going to be a cosmic rescuer if we do not do the work of saving the planet and our species and many others ourselves, with no supernatural assistance. Look at all the fools who do not build sturdy basements in tornado zones, and build too close to the shoreline, and trust God to protect them, and say global warming is a hoax, and then beg for government help after denouncing big government on all other matters.
I agree with you, here: President Obama would have been quite happy, as a pre-Reagon republican-- before that party went off the deep end of insanity.

It is sad times, when a very moderate politician such as Obama, is considered ... "liberal"....!

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#40 May 25, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
He said fire the guard, not kill him. If he has converted to Islam, he can no longer be trusted, so I agree whole heatedly with what he said. And if a guard in a Muslim country PUBLICLY converts to another religion other than Islam, he would be jailed or even executed. No question about it.
That guard is now every bit the security risk that the Fort Hood shooter was.
But as I said when I misread Subduction Zone's post both he and the Islamic terrorists still want the guard gone. That doesn't mean he would remove the guard in the same way as the terrorists.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#41 May 25, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
But as I said when I misread Subduction Zone's post both he and the Islamic terrorists still want the guard gone. That doesn't mean he would remove the guard in the same way as the terrorists.
Yes, that is true. But he does need to be fired, or simply moved to other duties. He is now a security risk that could pop at any time. Often it's the converts that are even worse or more fundamentalist. It's one thing when someone is born into Islam and brainwashed from a very young, defenseless age, but when an adult converts, there's something wrong with them to begin with. There's something wrong with their ability to reason and Islam conversion is merely the symptom, not the root cause.

I knew a guy who converted, and he was a smart guy and a decent guy, and he was even a computer programmer, so he wasn't stupid at all. But even before he converted, there was always something missing in his rationale when you had a discussion with him. There was always one piece missing in his mind where he would disagree for irrational or emotional reasons and he often never quite added up and you could never explain to him why he wasn't adding up, he would just get annoyed and dismiss you. It was like he could only see one side to every story. So it really was little surprise to me that he became a Muslim. Seemed like the next natural progression for him.

This seems like that is the kind of one sided mind set that it takes to be a Muslim. They always know what is done to them, but they never think about their actions as the reason it is being done to them. That seems to be a common theme with many Muslims. Look at Palestine. They lob rockets into Israel and they are dismayed and scream injustice when Israel retaliates. It's as though they actually believe that they do nothing at all, and the big bad giant always comes over and picks on them for absolutely no reason at all while they are innocently knitting sweaters.

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