Gitmo Prison Guard Converts From Atheism To Islam After Seeing...

Apr 6, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mediaite.com

CNN has an amazing story out of Guantanamo Bay about an American atheist prison camp guard that converted to Islam after spending extensive time talking to with some of the English speaking prisoners there.

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Seeker wrote:
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I thought you were the same guy. If not, my bad, Sorry.
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Well if you're not the same guy, then I don't need to see how it plays out, right?
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Point noted.
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Well I don't know how it relates to the point, but good story anyway. I guess.
Apology accepted.

Wouldn't I still be exactly who you said was becoming more unstable, beings it is my posts, and only my posts that you have based your assumption on? If so, you'd still need to watch how it plays out

To not complete a story, is something I will do, just to see if a particular poster might choose to fill in the blanks. This time it didn't cross my mind to wonder whether you or even some lurker, might in the future make reference to my former bar customer who "committed suicide". And so, I finished the story, I started.
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My words were chosen carefully, but more importantly they are truth. Insects, contrary to the buybulls description, do have more than the four legs claimed. Are you a member of one of those Baptist churches where they pull the two extra (and god offending) legs?
No I meant reality in more of the way mystics discuss it, but I'm not going there. Too long to explain. Nobody really knows what reality truly is, but again, that is a mystic concept that I won't bother to explain. Maybe you should have read my past posts here as well before you decide what I mean.
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As for "Quantum Bob", I don't think I have seen a poster with that screen name.
Close enough. Something like that. I don't memorize screen names
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Since registration with topix.com , I have posted as "Reason Personified", and before registration, I posted as "Human Observer".
Look, I already told you that apparently I was mistaken. So what are you going off on at this point?
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If you were referring to "Bob of Quantum Faith", he and I are very different posters, he is much better educated than I, and quite often much nicer too.
Well, not on this thread. Go back 4 or so pages and read.
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Even a casual observer should be able to easily see the many differences in our posting styles.
Well maybe you haven't seen his behavior on this thread. You might see a few similarities. But either way, it's fine. I already told you that I believe you and after I said that, you start to act similar to him where you have to repeat something and drive it home when it has already been acknowledged.
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Also, Ben, there are two reasons why public apostasy (leaving Islam) should result in either death or jailing. Number one is that apostates give out the dirty little secrets of Islam, and I have learned many of them from apostates.

The second is that they are taught that it is impossible to read the Quran and still think it is not the truth. They really are. So if you read the Quran and think it's not the truth and point out errors or criticism of it, their immediate assumption is that you have to be lying about that and that you are merely stubborn and/or jealous of Islam and just merely want to take it down due to your jealousy and stubbornness. But what can they say about someone who is raised a Muslim and then leaves? The stubbornness and jealousy excuse goes away. How can one be stubborn about or jealous of something that they already had? This is why they are pressured unbelievably about not leaving, and if they publicly declare their apostasy, it is either jail or death, so that they can keep your mouth shut, because it ruins the excuse of stubbornness or jealousy that they tell other Muslims when people reading the Quran for the first time reject it.
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Apology accepted.
Wouldn't I still be exactly who you said was becoming more unstable, beings it is my posts, and only my posts that you have based your assumption on?
I was basing them on his past posts as well. What's so hard to figure out?

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Islam is working perfectly because its the logic
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Islam is working perfectly because its the logic
Tell that to all of the Muslims killing each other in Iraq. The US isn't there anymore, so what's the next excuse?

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Tell that to all of the Muslims killing each other in Iraq. The US isn't there anymore, so what's the next excuse?
Conflicts is made by fanatic clans,i hope we get rid of them

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No atheism means you do not believe in a god, not that you are certain there isn't one.
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<quoted text>Of course. The only rational position on this issue is agnosticism. Atheism, if it means that one is CERTAIN that there is no God, is just as absurd as a theist saying he is certain there IS a God. Only the fool says he KNOWS. I have my "beliefs", but I accurately call them exactly that, and I never am stupid enough to say that I can prove God exists. Only a fool would do so. If God does exist, it would have to be beyond concepts such as "proof" itself. Proof is a mental construct.

I remember one mystic saying. Trying to fit God into our concepts is like trying to fit an Elephant into the swimming trunks of a rat.

Now watch as someone says this is an absurd example because we all know that rats don't wear swimming trunks. You think I'm kidding? Some people actually think that way. You'd be surprised.

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I deleted your pointless platitudes and fluff that are heavy on emotion and devoid of facts or reasoning. I see you can't stop gulping this dead German's jock, but he has nothing to say on this subject beyond platitudes and feel good opinion pieces.

Now once again, you said nobody could prove or disprove a god exists. Once again how could you possibly know this information on what anyone past, present or future can do? You have your opinion on why they supposedly couldn't disprove but said nothing on why they couldn't prove a god exists.

Seriously you are either home schooled or stoned.
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<quoted text>The mystic point of view is meaningless.
Don't talk to me, talk to Heisenberg.

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Until mystics are able to show some demonstrable proof they have nothing but platitudes and their own brand of the apologetic argument.

Useless.
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<quoted text>No I meant reality in more of the way mystics discuss it, but I'm not going there.

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A Gitmo guard?

Is this guy like Klinger from M*A*S*H trying to get himself stationed anywhere else or discharged?

I'd be curious to hear how often the guards are rotated out. It's not like they get a town pass to blow off steam every once in a while.

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No I meant reality in more of the way mystics discuss it, but I'm not going there. Too long to explain. Nobody really knows what reality truly is, but again, that is a mystic concept that I won't bother to explain. Maybe you should have read my past posts here as well before you decide what I mean.
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Close enough. Something like that. I don't memorize screen names
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Look, I already told you that apparently I was mistaken. So what are you going off on at this point?
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Well, not on this thread. Go back 4 or so pages and read.
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Well maybe you haven't seen his behavior on this thread. You might see a few similarities. But either way, it's fine. I already told you that I believe you and after I said that, you start to act similar to him where you have to repeat something and drive it home when it has already been acknowledged.
You got from me a single reply, for each post of yours, that was directed to me. If there is a problem, it is yours.

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But it's more of a moral concept as the same thing goes whether they are challenging the Government or not.
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Well wouldn't he want to be around his new friends who converted him?
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The Quran is pretty specific about some things and often new converts are the most pious.
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How much do you know about Islam? Is it just like all of the other religions in your mind? Have you actually ever studied Islam and learned the Quran and learned Islamic concepts? Religion is not some sort of optional sort of philosophy for Muslims like you are used to seeing out of Christianity and Judaism. Muslims are far far more serious about it and it isn't just a religion or philosophy, it is a complete way of life that covers religion, politics and law and any pious Muslims will tell you that I'm am actually 100% correct about this because I have had many Muslims themselves explain this to me. This is the mistake that liberal westerners make. They lump Islam into other religions, and that is a very very big mistake, and Muslims will even tell you that as well.
Here's a question that Muslims never answer. Is it injustice when Allah's law does not rule a land? And the answer is yes. It HAS to be because it is Allah's law. How can it be justice if man's law rules instead of Allah's law? There is no give to Caesar what is his and give to God what is his in Islam.
Another one. Next time we see another violent act from a Muslim and Muslims race to say that Islam is a religion of peace, ask them what they mean by peace in the context of their statement and you will surprise them. They use peace in that statement to suggest non violence to the stupid liberal that will believe them, but they actually know that it means no such thing, they are fooling you to take the heat off of Muslims. Peace does not mean cooperation, and compromise with non Muslims. There are no such things as that in the Quran. And it does not mean non violence.
The Word Islam is translated into the word "peace". And by peace, it means the peace one is supposed to feel by submitting to the will of Allah. And often the words peace and submission are actually alternate translations of the word Islam. I was told this by a Muslim himself and when I researched it, he was absolutely correct.
And does Allah will cooperation, compromise and non violence towards non Muslims? Not really and you would see this if you ever read the Quran. They are not even supposed to befriend non Muslims and I can produce the verses to show you this. They are only allowed to ACT like they befriend them when they feel they are in a disadvantaged position, and this is an Islamic concept called "taqiyya".
But make no mistake, Allah's law must eventually rule everywhere. The only difference between a supposed "radical" Muslim, who I believe are actually following their scriptures, and a "moderate" Muslim is that the radical believes in fast and furious and the moderate believes in slow and steady with a big peaceful smile on their face. But make no mistake, the same end goal is always in mind. It HAS to be because their scriptures command this.
But it is still a legal concept.
Lets not say they are friends as the validity of Islam could be the only thing agred on.
You will be surprised how un-pious even a new convertn can be when they see something in the holy book they don't like, and the bible also says specific thing about killing gays but yet most of it's "followers" don't care.
Yes Islam is just like ever other religion; illogical, self contradictory, looks at human beings as evil one minute then can't stop praising them the next, makes people see what they want not what is, and so on. Islam is just as bad as every other religion.

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Also, Ben, there are two reasons why public apostasy (leaving Islam) should result in either death or jailing. Number one is that apostates give out the dirty little secrets of Islam, and I have learned many of them from apostates.
The second is that they are taught that it is impossible to read the Quran and still think it is not the truth. They really are. So if you read the Quran and think it's not the truth and point out errors or criticism of it, their immediate assumption is that you have to be lying about that and that you are merely stubborn and/or jealous of Islam and just merely want to take it down due to your jealousy and stubbornness. But what can they say about someone who is raised a Muslim and then leaves? The stubbornness and jealousy excuse goes away. How can one be stubborn about or jealous of something that they already had? This is why they are pressured unbelievably about not leaving, and if they publicly declare their apostasy, it is either jail or death, so that they can keep your mouth shut, because it ruins the excuse of stubbornness or jealousy that they tell other Muslims when people reading the Quran for the first time reject it.
By "dirty little secrets" do mean stealth jihad conspiracy theory c*** or the quran say two different thing on X.
Alot of religions say that to stop deconversion and yet the faithful still pick and choose or just don't read the holy book, the read and you will believe idea is used only when dealing with a unbeliever they never apply it to make them selfs read the holy text.
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Conflicts is made by fanatic clans,i hope we get rid of them
Gee, and I thought it was all due to occupation. Wasn't that the Muslim lie that we all had to listen to for years? Muslims lie about everything and always blame someone else. This is one of many reasons why the rest of the world doesn't like them.
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<quoted text>You got from me a single reply, for each post of yours, that was directed to me. If there is a problem, it is yours.
That's fine. Enjoy.
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If the guard is working on his prisoners tirelessly so that they understand the real duty's of a human being what then? Does he become useful.
So he is going to do that after THEY converted him? No offense but you seem immensely naive about some things.
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The Bible has many of the same evils as the quran
You haven't even read the Quran. But for some reason, people don't feel the obligation to follow very specific instructions against a very specific people at a very specific time no longer. They don't sacrifice animals anymore either.
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as you can see by looking at the the skeptic's annotated bible and the skeptic's annotated quran. This most mean that christian who has also accepted his/her scriptures is a security risk,
While honoring the Old Testament, Christians are supposed to follow the Ne Testament and Jesus' teachings because it was a New Covenant. It's not Jesus' fault if some don't.
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but it doesn't as most religious people treat quotes from their holy book like a fashion accessory, picking what suits them per subject (a list of examples can be given in a post if you wish, and I have a lot to choose from).
I explained the difference in how seriously Muslims treat their religion as opposed to Christians and Jews. I don't think I have to repeat it again. So you should go ask Muslims themselves on how western people don't take their religion seriously enough and how THEY do. I've been on many Muslim forums for years, where people say what is REALLY on their mind and I've learned a ton from Muslims THEMSELVES telling me things like this. You have not. Put the time in and then come back and talk to me.
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By "dirty little secrets" do mean stealth jihad conspiracy theory c*** or the quran say two different thing on X.
Read post 182. I laid things out in detail and everything that I said is correct. I really don't know why you want to make so many excuses for them and be their western front man. But you probably do this because you have spent little or no time trying to actually learn about Islam, so I don't know why you are so eager to comment on the issue. Like I said, if you want to know how Muslims REALLY think underneath the surface, talk to ex Muslims who were raised in that environment if you simply refuse to believe me. Maybe you will believe them. What else can I tell you?

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Well, there is nothing illogical about saying that you do not believe in God, as defined to you. I believe that much in the Bible is a story that is told the only way that people could understand things back then, and I DO think that some of the books that were added shouldn't have been added. But much of it can actually be symbolic. And I have been very close to outright Atheism, and it wasn't until i read mystics that I started to not be so hasty. When I understood them and went back and read Jesus' words, I actually understood them for the first time and I was like "why didn't I see it, it was right there the whole time?"
My first thought was that I find it highly unlikely that people of his time, location and culture would make up these sayings of his because they had no exposure to and no understanding of the concepts his words really point to. They simply didn't think that way, and not only did nobody of that culture think that way, few even think that way even today. When people make up a story, they want it to be as believable as possible. They don't make up sayings that nobody would understand including they themselves, they make up clear, understandable things so that people will believe them.
You may want to read some stuff from the many Greek philosophers. Plenty of vague stuff that 'nobody' understood. Or read the hindu scripture, which can be understood in many different ways.

The good thing about vague statements is that they force the other to think *and* to allow for multiple interpretations. A very direct description can actually turn people off, because that undeniably singular interpretation does not allow the other person to include his own interpretation.

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Exactly. Anyone could write thousands of vaguely worded passages and people would project real events into them.
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<quoted text>You may want to read some stuff from the many Greek philosophers. Plenty of vague stuff that 'nobody' understood. Or read the hindu scripture, which can be understood in many different ways.

The good thing about vague statements is that they force the other to think *and* to allow for multiple interpretations. A very direct description can actually turn people off, because that undeniably singular interpretation does not allow the other person to include his own interpretation.

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