Do you believe in the Paranormal?

Do you believe in the Paranormal?

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spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#1 Aug 1, 2013
Do you believe in any of the following: ghosts, angels, other spiritual beings, ESP, aliens, psychics, communication with the dead, astrology, prophecy, reincarnation, or other paranormal phenomenon?

I guess atheists >can< believe in paranormal things, and still technical be atheists, but it would go against rational and skeptical thinking.

I myself do not believe in the paranormal since becoming an atheist. Your thoughts?
Amused

Dracut, MA

#2 Aug 1, 2013
spudgun wrote:
Do you believe in any of the following: ghosts, angels, other spiritual beings, ESP, aliens, psychics, communication with the dead, astrology, prophecy, reincarnation, or other paranormal phenomenon?
I guess atheists >can< believe in paranormal things, and still technical be atheists, but it would go against rational and skeptical thinking.
I myself do not believe in the paranormal since becoming an atheist. Your thoughts?
No, I don't believe in any of these in their true sense.

I think that what is commonly called ESP is merely processing information like facial expressions, body language or other clues that happens at a subconscious level. Some people are just more sensitive to very subtle clues than others, and because they process this information without conscious thought, they are unaware of the process by which they 'know' something.

'Prophesy' is the art of creating verbal Rorschach blots - statements that are imprecise enough to let the listeners fill in the details and see what they want to see.

The rest of your list is just pure made up stuff.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#3 Aug 1, 2013
Of course I believe in aliens. My wife's French.

Seriously though, I expect there to be life outside of the Earth. Lots of it. I don't however think we've been visited by little green recently.
spudgun wrote:
Do you believe in any of the following: ghosts, angels, other spiritual beings, ESP, aliens, psychics, communication with the dead, astrology, prophecy, reincarnation, or other paranormal phenomenon?
I guess atheists >can< believe in paranormal things, and still technical be atheists, but it would go against rational and skeptical thinking.
I myself do not believe in the paranormal since becoming an atheist. Your thoughts?
Amused

Dracut, MA

#4 Aug 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Of course I believe in aliens. My wife's French.
Seriously though, I expect there to be life outside of the Earth. Lots of it. I don't however think we've been visited by little green recently.
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"They are living here among us, but they do not choose to reveal themselves" Jack Nicholson as George Hanson in Easy Rider
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#5 Aug 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
.. I expect there to be life outside of the Earth. Lots of it. I don't however think we've been visited by little green recently.
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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#6 Aug 1, 2013
spudgun wrote:
Do you believe in any of the following: ghosts, angels, other spiritual beings, ESP, aliens, psychics, communication with the dead, astrology, prophecy, reincarnation, or other paranormal phenomenon?
I guess atheists >can< believe in paranormal things, and still technical be atheists, but it would go against rational and skeptical thinking.
I myself do not believe in the paranormal since becoming an atheist. Your thoughts?
I would bet that there is other life in the universe. I would also bet there is other intelligent life in the universe. I would bet that there is NOT other intelligent life in our galaxy. And I would strongly bet that no other intelligent life is visiting earth.

That is the only one of the listed phenomena that I have any remote belief in.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#7 Aug 1, 2013
It's been twenty years since I went to Wigan Pier.
There are many religious closet Wigan Piers posting homophobia on this forum.
EdSed wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =xDvJapTZDtgXX
Thinking

Royston, UK

#8 Aug 1, 2013
I think there is room enough in our galaxy for other intelligent life forms. But who knows. I do like playing with Drake's Equation from time to time.

I really don't think we're being visited at present, though.
polymath257 wrote:
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I would bet that there is other life in the universe. I would also bet there is other intelligent life in the universe. I would bet that there is NOT other intelligent life in our galaxy. And I would strongly bet that no other intelligent life is visiting earth.
That is the only one of the listed phenomena that I have any remote belief in.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9 Aug 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
.. I expect there to be life outside of the Earth. Lots of it. I don't however think we've been visited by little green recently.
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Yes I think that there are likely aliens out in the universe also. What I should have said on my list of the paranormal is "ancient aliens". Many people believe we have been visited in the past by ETs, who built ancient monuments, and some even say that inter-dimensional beings now rule the planet.

I am not sure why aliens would want to build some piles of stones and then go home leaving no other evidence of their visit? But I have a work colleague who thinks this is likely.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10 Aug 2, 2013
Amused wrote:
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'Prophesy' is the art of creating verbal Rorschach blots - statements that are imprecise enough to let the listeners fill in the details and see what they want to see.
I think this is the explanation of the so called prophecies of the Bible and the Quran. Vague statements, where the reader fills in the details and puts together a mental picture of what they want to believe.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#11 Aug 2, 2013
Those ancient alien programmes are so desperate.

Now, if the Great Pyramid was made out of dwarf star alloy and had the pointy bit at the bottom...
spudgun wrote:
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Yes I think that there are likely aliens out in the universe also. What I should have said on my list of the paranormal is "ancient aliens". Many people believe we have been visited in the past by ETs, who built ancient monuments, and some even say that inter-dimensional beings now rule the planet.
I am not sure why aliens would want to build some piles of stones and then go home leaving no other evidence of their visit? But I have a work colleague who thinks this is likely.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#12 Aug 2, 2013
I don't believe in them but I don't dis believe in them either. I am open to both sides.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#13 Aug 2, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
I don't believe in them but I don't dis believe in them either. I am open to both sides.
Thats fair enough. To remain open to the idea and evaluate the stength of the evidence for yourself.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#14 Aug 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I think there is room enough in our galaxy for other intelligent life forms. But who knows. I do like playing with Drake's Equation from time to time.
I really don't think we're being visited at present, though.
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My main issue with the question of other intelligent life is the duration of technological species. We have had radio for a little over 100 years. Do you think we will survive another, say, 10,000 years? if that is anywhere close to typical, then the chance that two technological species exist at the same time is low, even if they are somewhat common on time scales corresponding to galactic rotation.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15 Aug 2, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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My main issue with the question of other intelligent life is the duration of technological species. We have had radio for a little over 100 years. Do you think we will survive another, say, 10,000 years? if that is anywhere close to typical, then the chance that two technological species exist at the same time is low, even if they are somewhat common on time scales corresponding to galactic rotation.
I think the human race could be wiped out by a nuclear war or a mass extinction event. However I think its also possible that we could evolve into a more civilised and further technologically advanced race.

We often assume that aliens would be like us or humanoid in appearance and character. However given thousands more years of technological advance, if on an exponential curve, then an alien civilisation could, I guess have "god-like" powers.

They could through technology stop or delay death, heal illness, and maybe even create a universe in a black hole? And in this imaginary scenario to humans could be indistinguishable from God or gods.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#16 Aug 2, 2013
No one knows. We have no other examples of technological species with which to compare ourselves.

It's difficult to say how long "we" will survive, and what that question really means.

I do think our successors will survive for billions of years. How different they appear to homosapiens, whether they still call themselves human, what they are made of and what technologies they may use instead of radio I can only guess at.
polymath257 wrote:
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My main issue with the question of other intelligent life is the duration of technological species. We have had radio for a little over 100 years. Do you think we will survive another, say, 10,000 years? if that is anywhere close to typical, then the chance that two technological species exist at the same time is low, even if they are somewhat common on time scales corresponding to galactic rotation.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#17 Aug 2, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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I think the human race could be wiped out by a nuclear war or a mass extinction event. However I think its also possible that we could evolve into a more civilised and further technologically advanced race.
We often assume that aliens would be like us or humanoid in appearance and character. However given thousands more years of technological advance, if on an exponential curve, then an alien civilisation could, I guess have "god-like" powers.
The problem is not their appearance, whether humanoid, or something we have not even imagined. The problem is getting to that thousand years of technology. The early stages of technology are (obviously) fraught with hazards and I would bet that it is a rare species that manages to bypass them.
They could through technology stop or delay death, heal illness, and maybe even create a universe in a black hole? And in this imaginary scenario to humans could be indistinguishable from God or gods.
The main issue here is, of course, the Fermi paradox: if intelligent life is common, why do we not see evidence of it in the universe? I'm not simply talking about radio signals. I'm talking about Dyson spheres or really large scale construction.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#18 Aug 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No one knows. We have no other examples of technological species with which to compare ourselves.
It's difficult to say how long "we" will survive, and what that question really means.
I do think our successors will survive for billions of years. How different they appear to homosapiens, whether they still call themselves human, what they are made of and what technologies they may use instead of radio I can only guess at.
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I am not so confident of such things. The typical duration of mammalian species has been about 2 million years. I think we will be lucky to last another 10,000. We already have the power to destroy ourselves many times over. That power will only increase. And I am not at all sure that our wisdom will increase fast enough to compensate.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#19 Aug 2, 2013
I was a young child in the 80s. I didn't buy the end of the world then, either. I always thought that even if we lost 90% of the population in some catastrophe, self inflicted or otherwise, we would still thrive.

The only "end of everything" scenario I could see was getting hit by something massive from space before we had the ability to be elsewhere else. That may still happen.
polymath257 wrote:
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I am not so confident of such things. The typical duration of mammalian species has been about 2 million years. I think we will be lucky to last another 10,000. We already have the power to destroy ourselves many times over. That power will only increase. And I am not at all sure that our wisdom will increase fast enough to compensate.

Since: Jun 13

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#20 Aug 3, 2013
I think if ghosts actually existed, there would be so many of them that the evidence for them would be too overwhelming to set aside...Although I have always found the thought interesting :). I have always questioned about Aliens... Things like the the pyramids and other places that seem to have been erected under less technological times have always interested me. It's just such a mystery as to how they were built.

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