Atheists that tout free thinking use bully tactics to halt opposing views

Aug 25, 2014 Full story: Examiner.com 13

Famous atheist Richard Dawkins remarked, "threatened with superior intelligence and logic", those that oppose atheism shrink from discussion concerning the truthful aspects of being atheistic.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1 Aug 25, 2014
From the article:

'There is an equalizer that can be attributed to fictional Star Trek character Janeway on a newer version of the star ship Enterprise concerning logic as an ultimate end. Vulcan logic master Tuvok was put into his intellectual place when the captain remarked,

'“You can use logic to justify anything. That’s its power and its flaw”.'

But that's not really true of logic. Logic is applied, not used When skillfully applied, it usually leads to only one end even if that end is to defer conclusions until more is known.

It is religion that can be used to justify anything, not logic.
Thinking

York, UK

#2 Aug 27, 2014
We often use logic in mathematics to disprove statements, not to reinforce them.

Religions often attempt to apply logical arguments to insecure foundations and end up tying themselves in knots because they just won't give up on the initial statement, however untenable.
NightSerf wrote:
From the article:
'There is an equalizer that can be attributed to fictional Star Trek character Janeway on a newer version of the star ship Enterprise concerning logic as an ultimate end. Vulcan logic master Tuvok was put into his intellectual place when the captain remarked,
'“You can use logic to justify anything. That’s its power and its flaw”.'
But that's not really true of logic. Logic is applied, not used When skillfully applied, it usually leads to only one end even if that end is to defer conclusions until more is known.
It is religion that can be used to justify anything, not logic.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#3 Aug 27, 2014
The person who believes in God, the designer and creator of all life on earth, does not need to argue or debate with an unbeliever, it is the unbeliever that has to prove where water and clouds from water came from or anything of this planet Earth.

The first man Adam chose to be his own god, and the Atheist also chooses to be his own god.
Thinking

York, UK

#4 Aug 27, 2014
Religion is dying on its arse over here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12799801
True Christian witness wrote:
The person who believes in God, the designer and creator of all life on earth, does not need to argue or debate with an unbeliever, it is the unbeliever that has to prove where water and clouds from water came from or anything of this planet Earth.
The first man Adam chose to be his own god, and the Atheist also chooses to be his own god.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#5 Aug 27, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Religion is dying on its arse over here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12799801
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Only false religion is dying, not the true religion Jehovah's witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses must imitate Jesus and live for God's Kingdom, with Jesus as King, and obey the Law of Christ. This is the only way to have Jehovah God's approval to survive the end of this world. Matthew 24:14

This was the ministry of Jesus, and it is the same today, Jehovah God is in complete control of carrying out his will today, through his witnesses, as taught by Jesus to the Jews.
Luke 4:43

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#6 Aug 27, 2014
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
Only false religion is dying, not the true religion Jehovah's witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses must imitate Jesus and live for God's Kingdom, with Jesus as King, and obey the Law of Christ. This is the only way to have Jehovah God's approval to survive the end of this world. Matthew 24:14
This was the ministry of Jesus, and it is the same today, Jehovah God is in complete control of carrying out his will today, through his witnesses, as taught by Jesus to the Jews.
Luke 4:43
Then why do JWs in the US retain only 37% of those who are raised in their faith? Why lose 30% to other religions and, more to the point, why 33% to no religion at all? If JW is growing anyway--or even holding even--how can that 37% still represent 33% of the current membership? JW may not be dying, but it does look to be on life-support.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#7 Aug 28, 2014
Funny, but when christianity was in its early period, christian thinkers like Augustine and Thomas Aquinas defended their faith with arguments based on logic. Time revealed flaws in the logic, but theirs was not a faith that rejected reason, but embraced reason. Later thinkers such as Descartes and Pascal also justified faith based on reason. Of course, Martin Luther saw reason as the enemy of faith, and his view became the prevailing one. Certainly, the OP would let out a resounding "amen" to Martin Luther's "Reason is the enemy of faith".

Of course, some theists try to have it both ways, posting both , "you just have to believe" and "how can atheists answer the teleological (or ontological, or whatever) argument for god?", apparently completely self unaware of the contradiction.
Patrick

United States

#8 Aug 28, 2014
Amused wrote:
Funny, but when christianity was in its early period, christian thinkers like Augustine and Thomas Aquinas defended their faith with arguments based on logic. Time revealed flaws in the logic, but theirs was not a faith that rejected reason, but embraced reason. Later thinkers such as Descartes and Pascal also justified faith based on reason. Of course, Martin Luther saw reason as the enemy of faith, and his view became the prevailing one. Certainly, the OP would let out a resounding "amen" to Martin Luther's "Reason is the enemy of faith".
Of course, some theists try to have it both ways, posting both , "you just have to believe" and "how can atheists answer the teleological (or ontological, or whatever) argument for god?", apparently completely self unaware of the contradiction.
"Its both a floor wax and a dessert topping"! SNL
Thinking

Exmouth, UK

#9 Aug 28, 2014
Religious people that won't apply logic to their own faith often struggle with logic in general.
Amused wrote:
Funny, but when christianity was in its early period, christian thinkers like Augustine and Thomas Aquinas defended their faith with arguments based on logic. Time revealed flaws in the logic, but theirs was not a faith that rejected reason, but embraced reason. Later thinkers such as Descartes and Pascal also justified faith based on reason. Of course, Martin Luther saw reason as the enemy of faith, and his view became the prevailing one. Certainly, the OP would let out a resounding "amen" to Martin Luther's "Reason is the enemy of faith".
Of course, some theists try to have it both ways, posting both , "you just have to believe" and "how can atheists answer the teleological (or ontological, or whatever) argument for god?", apparently completely self unaware of the contradiction.
Patrick

United States

#10 Aug 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Religious people that won't apply logic to their own faith often struggle with logic in general.
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London, UK

#11 Aug 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Religious people that won't apply logic to their own faith often struggle with logic in general.
<quoted text>
Spineless Creationist coward who can't defend his ignorant beliefs and must spam the forum instead!
PatrickisaCreati onist

London, UK

#12 Aug 28, 2014
True Christian witness wrote:
The person who believes in God, the designer and creator of all life on earth, does not need to argue or debate with an unbeliever, it is the unbeliever that has to prove where water and clouds from water came from or anything of this planet Earth.
The first man Adam chose to be his own god, and the Atheist also chooses to be his own god.
When you can prove your god, you won't need to run like a coward and when Atheists show you that you are wrong.
Patrick

United States

#13 Aug 29, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
From the article:
'There is an equalizer that can be attributed to fictional Star Trek character Janeway on a newer version of the star ship Enterprise concerning logic as an ultimate end. Vulcan logic master Tuvok was put into his intellectual place when the captain remarked,
'“You can use logic to justify anything. That’s its power and its flaw”.'
But that's not really true of logic. Logic is applied, not used When skillfully applied, it usually leads to only one end even if that end is to defer conclusions until more is known.
It is religion that can be used to justify anything, not logic.
Depends also on your view of "free will"?

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