Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#207343 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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One allegement after another.
The bill of particulars is deferred.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#207344 Jan 24, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>What do you call a failed lawyer?

A politician.
Pmsl. That's the best one :-)

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207345 Jan 24, 2014
christINSANITY is evil wrote:
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People didn't know it was that deadly then, would be my guess,or the employers simply didn't care if the workers got sick and died,,it's the Old Capitalist greed again..
"Discovery of toxicity

"Pliny the Younger wrote in 61-114 AD that slaves who worked with the mineral asbestos became ill.[28] In 1899 Dr. Montague Murray first recognized the negative health effects of asbestos."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos#Discove...

"Industrial era

The U.S. asbestos industry began in 1858 when fibrous anthophyllite was mined for use as asbestos insulation by the Johns Company, a predecessor to the current Johns Manville at a quarry at Ward's Hill on Staten Island, New York.[25] Asbestos became more widespread during the industrial revolution; in 1866 it was used as insulation in the U.S. and Canada. Development of the first commercial asbestos mine began in 1874 in the Appalachian foothills of Quebec.[26] By the mid-20th century uses included fire retardant coatings, concrete, bricks, pipes and fireplace cement, heat, fire, and acid resistant gaskets, pipe insulation, ceiling insulation, fireproof drywall, flooring, roofing, lawn furniture, and drywall joint compound.

In Japan, particularly after World War II, asbestos was used in the manufacture of ammonium sulfate for purposes of rice production, sprayed upon the ceilings, iron skeletons, and walls of railroad cars and buildings (during the 1960s), and used for energy efficiency reasons as well. Production of asbestos in Japan peaked in 1974 and went through ups and downs until about 1990, when production began to drop severely."

Let's say science enabled the widespread use of it. Science still does such thing. Seems they never really knew what they knew. But it seemed a good idea at the time, and brought in some dollars.

Yep, that is something you can really put your faith in. Just trust science to lead you to Nirvana.

In the meantime don't mind the mistakes. If you die from one it will surely lead to a correction in the books. Once the legal actions are all done.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207346 Jan 24, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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The bill of particulars is deferred.
Meaning the dog ate them.

Pitiful.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#207347 Jan 24, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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It's remarkable to me how infantile it is to imagine that a deity which created the entire universe would have any interest in whether an individual member of one species of mammal on our particular planet believes in it or not. Or that it would be any more interested in the behavior of humans than the behavior of bees, wolves, or red-faced Japanese macaques.
Ahhh! I don't think that He would.

The people in authority in the church - or any other house of worship - now that's a different matter.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207348 Jan 24, 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbo...

But serpents had legs before God turned them into snakes.

"In one Native North American story, an evil serpent kills one of the gods' cousins, so the god kills the serpent in revenge, but the dying serpent unleashes a great flood. People first flee to the mountains and then, when the mountains are covered, they float on a raft until the flood subsides. The evil spirits that the serpent god controlled then hide out of fear.[20] The Mound Builders associated great mystical value to the serpent, as the Serpent Mound demonstrates, though we are unable to unravel the particular associations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbo...

Serpents, floods. That one was a long ways from Babylonia and the Middle East.

Read an article today somewhere about the Babylonian ark was round based on some 4000 yr old scrolls. Was a common craft of the time, but bigger. Can't remember where I read it.

Goodnight.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207349 Jan 24, 2014
http://nypost.com/2014/01/24/4000-year-old-ta...

That is the article about the ark.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#207350 Jan 24, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, no.
All snakes are serpents but not all serpents are snakes.
Capisce?
They are in French.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#207351 Jan 24, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. the snake weaves its way through many myths because it sheds its skin and is reborn ..
.. in Hinduism, it's a symbol for reincarnation. Serpents are also prominent in Greek, ancient European, Nordic, African and Aborigine mythology ..
.. cross-cultural comparisons of myths reflect snake symbology ..
.. in the bible, the serpent tempts Adam & Eve and they are born again with a knowledge of good and evil, death and morality. To accept the symbology as fact is a misnomer ..
.. capice ??..
Yes. It's also used as a medical symbol.
UidiotRacemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#207352 Jan 24, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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So is Garfield. So what?!
i talking about real Grouchy not a cartoon ! So what? something to talk about! that is what i talking ABOUT , so?

bAQHHAHAHAAAA
UidiotRacemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#207353 Jan 24, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Yes. It's also used as a medical symbol.
And early founding days before inception of and US Empire... that motto and saying is?

Wink Wink WINK!

Bahhahaaaaa

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#207354 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What those who snared you are trying to do?
Rope a dope the disaffected and deficient minded?
What? No one "snared" me.
UidiotRacemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#207355 Jan 24, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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What do you call a failed lawyer?
A politician.
What you called a Successful ogranized christianity ?

Satanic cults!

Bahahhaaaaa

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#207356 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Meaning the dog ate them.
Pitiful.
Dude!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#207357 Jan 24, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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While I agree with you, several Topix Christians do maintain their beliefs are indisputable facts.
As I have said far too many times, these "fundies" cast a poor light on Christianity. Like it or not when a person claims "I am a Christian" then spouts nonsense (at best). It makes all Christians look like idiots.
It isn't fair but it does happen.
The thing is though is that they are trying to question methodology and say if it doesn't lead to truth for everyone that uses it then it must be flawed or of no value and that's just stupid.

The methodology may be sound but there isn't enough information

The methodology may be sound but someone is not doing it correctly

The methodology may be sound but they are using the wrong information

The methodology may be sound but they can't be objective

And so and so on

Look how many sociologists may have different beliefs regarding root causes for behavior despite testing the same things

Look how many different opinions there are concerning a psychological diagnosis

Or a medical diagnosis

Of scientific theory such as how life began

People are so desperate to discredit faith that they start making just silly claims. And lose sight of what is they are even talking about. It's called faith for a reason. I personally have never seen anyone claim a belief is a fact. Sure some people express it in a way that could lead someone to conclude they do. I guess there is a fine line between confident and knowing for a fact

But either way, there are dozens of reasons why different people may follow the same process yet not get the same results. And just because nobody can prove which faith is true is certainly no proof that none of them are

But you are almost always pretty reasonable in your approach when you and I discuss things and that's appreciated

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#207358 Jan 24, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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My point is that a great many people, not necessarily you, make the claim that faith is a way to knowledge. The fact that faith can lead different people to contradictory conclusions says that faith is NOT a way to knowledge. It is quite likely to lead on away from the truth.
I think that it has been well demonstrated that skepticism...that is, taking a long, hard look at the subject and not accepting conclusions without demonstrative supporting facts...has been far more effective at finding truth than faith.
Why you consider faith a virtue is beyond me. Many of the people that tell you to have faith are trying to sell you a pig in a poke.
Sure a methodology centered around facts is going to be much more likely to lead to a provable truth.

Faith doesn't claim to be using the same methodology

And just because it may lead to less truth or truth that can't be proved doesn't mean it can't lead to truth

But because it can't be proven is specifically why it is faith. To oversimplify it, faith deals with the heart while science deals with the mind. More of a feeling than a fact. But nobody should be claiming they are the sand thing. And if nobody is, there is no need for the comparison

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#207359 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"Discovery of toxicity
"Pliny the Younger wrote in 61-114 AD that slaves who worked with the mineral asbestos became ill.[28] In 1899 Dr. Montague Murray first recognized the negative health effects of asbestos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos#Discove...
"Industrial era
The U.S. asbestos industry began in 1858 when fibrous anthophyllite was mined for use as asbestos insulation by the Johns Company, a predecessor to the current Johns Manville at a quarry at Ward's Hill on Staten Island, New York.[25] Asbestos became more widespread during the industrial revolution; in 1866 it was used as insulation in the U.S. and Canada. Development of the first commercial asbestos mine began in 1874 in the Appalachian foothills of Quebec.[26] By the mid-20th century uses included fire retardant coatings, concrete, bricks, pipes and fireplace cement, heat, fire, and acid resistant gaskets, pipe insulation, ceiling insulation, fireproof drywall, flooring, roofing, lawn furniture, and drywall joint compound.
In Japan, particularly after World War II, asbestos was used in the manufacture of ammonium sulfate for purposes of rice production, sprayed upon the ceilings, iron skeletons, and walls of railroad cars and buildings (during the 1960s), and used for energy efficiency reasons as well. Production of asbestos in Japan peaked in 1974 and went through ups and downs until about 1990, when production began to drop severely."
Let's say science enabled the widespread use of it. Science still does such thing. Seems they never really knew what they knew. But it seemed a good idea at the time, and brought in some dollars.
Yep, that is something you can really put your faith in. Just trust science to lead you to Nirvana.
In the meantime don't mind the mistakes. If you die from one it will surely lead to a correction in the books. Once the legal actions are all done.
I like where your head's at. Let's discard the most effective knowledge increasing tool humanity has ever known because certain people (usually governments or business interests) misuse said knowledge.

I think we'd all be better off if we followed our guts.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#207360 Jan 24, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Methinks you need to walk a bit further yet. Just sayin.
Is being civil really that hard for you?
Depends on how annoying the person is I am dealing with

And didn't you say it's difficult and also say its not good to be a doormat?

Methinks your claims change post to post because you don't really care about being honest. Your motivation is to represent your 'side' by attacking the other

Sure anyone with even slightly higher than average intelligence can almost always find a way to argue for or against just about anything. But doing a 180 several times within a couple of posts kinds of gives it away what you are doing

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#207361 Jan 25, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Depends on how annoying the person is I am dealing with

And didn't you say it's difficult and also say its not good to be a doormat?

Methinks your claims change post to post because you don't really care about being honest. Your motivation is to represent your 'side' by attacking the other

Sure anyone with even slightly higher than average intelligence can almost always find a way to argue for or against just about anything. But doing a 180 several times within a couple of posts kinds of gives it away what you are doing
***see what I mean wilderide? he will even attack one of the most polite and reasonable posters here***
UidiotRacemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#207362 Jan 25, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>The thing is though is that they are trying to question methodology and say if it doesn't lead to truth for everyone that uses it then it must be flawed or of no value and that's just stupid.
The methodology may be sound but there isn't enough information
The methodology may be sound but someone is not doing it correctly
The methodology may be sound but they are using the wrong information
The methodology may be sound but they can't be objective
And so and so on
Look how many sociologists may have different beliefs regarding root causes for behavior despite testing the same things
Look how many different opinions there are concerning a psychological diagnosis
Or a medical diagnosis
Of scientific theory such as how life began
People are so desperate to discredit faith that they start making just silly claims. And lose sight of what is they are even talking about. It's called faith for a reason. I personally have never seen anyone claim a belief is a fact. Sure some people express it in a way that could lead someone to conclude they do. I guess there is a fine line between confident and knowing for a fact
But either way, there are dozens of reasons why different people may follow the same process yet not get the same results. And just because nobody can prove which faith is true is certainly no proof that none of them are
But you are almost always pretty reasonable in your approach when you and I discuss things and that's appreciated
(T) Peace
"Serial killers ruin families. Corporate and political and religious psychopaths ruin economies and societies."
Robert Hare , criminal psychologist/researcher

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