Fair question. A little bit diversionary, but fair, I guess.<quoted text>Btw
Have YOU done "all you could"?
Or do you just expect that out of others?
It would be different if the church was tooting its own horn. They are simply trying to do what they can and have made no claims of great achievements. Yet the people trying to demonize others that do way more than them while they don't do chit except get sanctimonious on an Internet site seems odd to me
You know I like and respect ya Hip. And in most cases. But you are dead wrong here. And unless you wanna go to Africa and start combatting AIDS there like the Christian organizations, I don't see how you are in any position to judge them
Yes, I have. It would be counter-productive and self-serving to run down a list in this anonymous setting, because obviously one could say anything and no way to prove it, nor do I care about "proving" anything about myself. It wasn't about me when i did it, and it ain't about me now. But, yes, I have, locally and "cross-border" and each time (but one) has been in some way church-sponsored or affiliated (tho' anyone can participate). Each time has been enlightening and uplifting on multiple levels, and i look forward to a more active role when I retire. I believe strongly in hands and feet outreach, and agree with you that those who don't or haven't with either time, talent, or treasure have a weaker position from which to argue.
But at the same time, I think it's hubristic to imagine that most Americans haven't done so in one form or another. Survey data backs me up on that, so really, it's just another misdirection tactic. A valid question, but not material to someone expressing an opinion.
Btw, I've never taken part in anything that had "moralistic" conditions attached. You do what you can, where it's needed, with everything in your arsenal. Think about it - how many more souls would there be to "save" if we did everything possible to save lives?