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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205232 Jan 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You want me to read your comments, and you know nothing about history.
I don't know anything about BUCK History, I will admit. That is because Buck History has no links to reality.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205233 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Who would you rather have sex with, RuPaul or Oprah?
Ew...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#205236 Jan 20, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You are wrong!
A homosexual act requires two participating homosexuals, a child who is the victim of a pedophile is a victim of a criminal sexual child abuse, not of participating in a homosexual act.
You don't call it a heterosexual act when a man rapes a woman, you call it the mans criminal sexual conduct.
Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_acts
Welcome to the Topix Atheist! dictionary of crazy.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#205237 Jan 20, 2014
Greens - tuf wrote:
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Sorry RR, but I have to do this .
If RR had to drive around with a blow up doll than it would be of the darker skinned type.
For the black eyes aren't so noticeable.:)
It'd hafta have the likeness of Denzel....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#205238 Jan 20, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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They're a big part of Christianity, as is their ignorance and immaturity, both of which are promoted by the church.
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Disagree, as do millions of others.
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I meant a dictionary definition. Let me help:
[1] abomination - something that causes disgust or hatred
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abo...
[2] abomination
1. a person or thing that is disgusting
2. an action that is vicious, vile, etc
3. intense loathing
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abomination
[3] abomination
1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.
2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation
3. a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abomin...
I didn't find "unpleasant" there anywhere - just words like disgust, hatred, vile, intense aversion or loathing, abhorred, and detestable
That's hatred.
Uh-huh...

Disgusting, vicious, vile, loathing, greatly disliked, a shameful or detestable action.....

You make distinctions where none exist.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#205239 Jan 20, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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RR makes one significant error in his attempt at an analogy. He say "an abominable cup of coffee", which means he hates that one cup of coffee, not all coffee. But when it is said that homosexuals are an abomination, the hatred is applied to all homosexuals.
Ya but I never said that, so...
Chris Clearwater

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#205240 Jan 20, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Chris, it also makes your wife a prisoner. What a loving religion.
You know she's not attracted to you, right?
You know repeating these lies shows what a coward you are?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#205241 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Do you really think many people that are quite clear in opposing the gospel of Jesus Christ and are what the bible calls workers of iniquity do it in the name of love and tolerance? Look at this very forum for countless examples of how many to claim that show none to people they disagree with.
Which of us workers of iniquity opposes the gospel of Jesus Christ? We oppose the Christian church. We actually embody the Golden Rule and loving one another.You don't.

Your comment about all unbelievers being iniquitous - grossly unjust, wicked and immoral - was pure hate speech. How do you think spreading such ideas about people like me affects me? Do you care? Of course you don't, and it is quite apparent. Which bring us to this:

The gospel of Jesus Christi teaches the Golden Rule,something you apparently have no use for. You would not want to be treated as you just treated me. If I were to classify all people spreading your religion as workers of iniquity, you would go ballistic. Yet you effortlessly and without the least compunction do exactly that to others.

I will continue pointing out your kind of hate mongering and hypocrisy and identify its source - the church - even though you call me a worker of iniquity for doing it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#205242 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
what happens and is yet to happen to people that refuse to repent of evil.
So how about it? Will you repent this vile and evil behavior of yours or not?
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Yes I agree with you that it can be forgiven, I look to my wife as living proof.
Assuming that you are talking about her homosexuality, your wife needs no forgiveness. But you do for the hatred you spread, and you need it from those that you harm. You're not getting it from me without a sincere apology and a change of behavior..
Chris Clearwater wrote:
its people that are stubborn and will do what they wish no matter what.
How about you? Will you repent the evil you do in the name of faith, or continue doing it as before?
Chris Clearwater wrote:
And while I don't pretend to know God's mind
Sure you do, and you speak for him, too, as you just did when you told us that he forgives your wife. What if she isn't forgiven? How would you know?
Chris Clearwater

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#205243 Jan 20, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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You told us your wife was a homosexual, you thinking that is miraculously cured does not make River a liar, it makes you delusional.
And yet a lie and another example of hate on display. Is a guy that was a slave to drinking or porn and then becomes a Christian an is set free delusional? You thinking that repeating these lies does anything but show your own fear is where the delusion is pal.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#205244 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Ah yes, here is an example of an open mind that is ever so tolerant of other points of view. Thanks for that Jim.
You have no room to talk. You spread the idea that anybody who disagrees with Christianity is iniquitous.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#205245 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>You know repeating these lies shows what a coward you are?
What lies? Homosexuality is not "curable". That's one of the lies your church feeds you. Calling me infantile names won't change that. It just makes you look defensive.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205246 Jan 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You want me to read your comments, and you know nothing about history.
BTW, Buck...

You want some more links debunking Barton...and guaranteed to have been written by degreed historians? Well, watch this space...

http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer...

author...Professor Green holds a Ph.D. in American constitutional history and an M.A. in American religious history from the University of North Carolina, a J.D. from the University of Texas, and a B.A. in history and political science

http://www.jeffersonhour.com/Barton%20Review....

author...Clay S. Jenkinson, a Rhodes and Danforth Scholar, is a nationally-recognized humanities scholar (btw, Buck, humanities includes history). Jenkinson describes himself, "My one iron commitment is to rigorous historical research and mastery of the material."

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/05/05/the-ba...

author...Hrafnkell Haraldsson, a social liberal with leanings toward centrist politics has degrees in history and philosophy.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/books/atheo...

author...Paul Harvey runs the blog Religion in American History and teaches history at the University of Colorado.

Need I go on? With you, probably yes, since you aren't going to fold no matter how many references I give. But I've got lots more where these came from.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#205247 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>And yet a lie and another example of hate on display. Is a guy that was a slave to drinking or porn and then becomes a Christian an is set free delusional? You thinking that repeating these lies does anything but show your own fear is where the delusion is pal.
Allowing the church to talk you into repressing who you are is not freedom, nor is it psychologically sound.

I feel sorry for your wife and find religiosity to be one of the highest forms of delusion, christianity being one of the most vile.

You are disgusting for going along with such a thing being done to another human.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#205248 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>And yet a lie and another example of hate on display. Is a guy that was a slave to drinking or porn and then becomes a Christian an is set free delusional? You thinking that repeating these lies does anything but show your own fear is where the delusion is pal.
Addiction is a disease, you compare homosexuality with disease.

Then you expect respect for your repugnant christian religion.

That too is delusional.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#205249 Jan 20, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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You told us your wife was a homosexual, you thinking that is miraculously cured does not make River a liar, it makes you delusional.
Bilgewater has been flaunting this claim since topix began.

Odd thing is, back in the day, for a very brief period, he also spoke of his own "confusion". He quickly dropped that, and has relied on his non-present "wife" for testimony ever since. Of course he never does so in a spirit of joy, but only whips it out when he wants to "prove" that a "homo" can "choose".

In any case, there's three possibilities re: his wife's "rescue":

Either she dallied with another girl once, and thinks that makes her homosexual.

Or she is attracted to the fairer sex, and is now repressing her nature due to pious peer pressure.

Or she never was, but it makes wonderful "testimony" in Sunday morning witness. Anyone that has attended church regularly will be familiar with the reformed addict/atheist/criminal who testifies to the Lord "saving" them (and us) from themselves. It's a great attention grabber and the pew-warmers lap that stuff up.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#205250 Jan 20, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
FACT CHECKING WARREN THROCKMORTON by Scott Lively
I also know the character of the man [David Barton] and the high quality of his past work. Most importantly I know the character of the “gay” activist movement, and specifically one of it’s chief agents inside the Christian camp, Dr. Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College. Throckmorton, the chief critic of Jefferson Lies, is heavily quoted in the Christian media in the attacks on Barton, and has written his own book to rebut it called Getting Jefferson Right: Fact Checking Claims about Our Third President. Why, one might wonder, is a psychology professor so heavily invested in refuting David Barton’s claims about Thomas Jefferson’s Christianity? And why, among all the great many people who have published history books whose claims are strongly disputed by others, has David Barton become the subject of a campaign not just to challenge his conclusions but to humiliate him? And, since these sorts of defamatory efforts tend not to be spontaneous developments but the work of people with an agenda, who’s agenda is it in this case? I have my own little conspiracy theory and it centers on David Barton’s emergence as a vocal opponent of the “gay rights” movement and Throckmorton‘s self-appointed role as the saboteur of such people. If you “Google”“David Barton” and “Homosexuality” you will find that Mr. Barton has become a subject of intense vilification in the “gay” blogosphere. You will also find triumphal gloating over Barton’s drubbing by the entire cadre of homosexual bloggers who specialize in attacking Christians, including the “Joseph Goebbels” of this group, Wayne Besen of the ironically-titled Truth Wins Out blog. Tellingly, Besen ran his story on the controversy under the headline “Dr. Warren Throckmorton’s ’Takedown’ of History Fraud David Barton.” For those who still believe that Warren Throckmorton is on the side of the Christians in the culture war, just do a search of his name on the websites of the nastiest of these anti-Christ blogs such as Box Turtle Bulletin, Truth Wins Out and Joe My God. You will find that Throckmorton is a hero to these people and apparently a willing collaborator with some of them.
This kind of writing turns a lot of people off. I'm not referring to the specific content, but the tone and manner. Putting gay in scare quotes is a tip off, as is describing Throckmorton as an agent in a camp, as if he has some surreptitious agenda, and describing scholarly rebuttals as attacks.

Lively goes an to imply that he knows Throckmorton's motives - to humiliate Barton - and then uses words like "defamatory efforts," "people with an agenda," and "saboteur"

And his his words "those who still believe that Warren Throckmorton is on the side of the Christians in the culture war" are quite telling indeed. Academic debates are not culture wars, and academics don't take the sides of factions. They argue a position about an idea. One would hope that both Barton and Throckmorton were on the same side - the pursuit of historical accuracy.

These kinds of comments undermine Lively's credibility as a scholar or intellectual. His endorsement of the quality of Barton's past work is meaningless, and his endorsement of Barton's character is not an endorsement of character at all, but the opposite.

Here's an article I found from pastor Lively entitled "Homo-Fascism vs. the First Amendment"
http://www.scottlively.net/2013/05/21/homofas...

Scholars don't write like that. Throckmorton certainly doesn't.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#205251 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Who would you rather have sex with, RuPaul or Oprah?
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Ew...
lol

Abstinence, no?

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#205252 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thanks for showing off your bigotry towards the poor.
You're a piece of work, man...
I said nothing about the poor; you have told us you're financially secure.

Unless you mean poor character.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#205253 Jan 20, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Bilgewater has been flaunting this claim since topix began.

Odd thing is, back in the day, for a very brief period, he also spoke of his own "confusion". He quickly dropped that, and has relied on his non-present "wife" for testimony ever since. Of course he never does so in a spirit of joy, but only whips it out when he wants to "prove" that a "homo" can "choose".

In any case, there's three possibilities re: his wife's "rescue":

Either she dallied with another girl once, and thinks that makes her homosexual.

Or she is attracted to the fairer sex, and is now repressing her nature due to pious peer pressure.

Or she never was, but it makes wonderful "testimony" in Sunday morning witness. Anyone that has attended church regularly will be familiar with the reformed addict/atheist/criminal who testifies to the Lord "saving" them (and us) from themselves. It's a great attention grabber and the pew-warmers lap that stuff up.
Repression would be my estimation based on what he's written and what I've witnessed in churches.

I think it's sad, she'd be miserable and he'd never know the love of a heterosexual woman who adores the male form.

Self inflicted hell based of fictional babbling and farcical doctrines that have very little to do with reality other than inflicting psychological damage that comes from repression.

I just hope they don't breed.

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