Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#205103 Jan 19, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I don’t attribute the underlying messages in movies to you darling. It’s more your left wing Hollywood Movie Directors & Sponsors who insure this homosexual message is in every movie. While we are talking about underling messages.
Have you noticed in most movies there’s a hell of a lot cigarette smoking going on. Of course that’s an accurate portrayal of movies made today about the 50’s and 60’s.
But beyond that time frame there’s always a few scenes with people smoking cigs. I bet the cigarette industry is using these scenes to promote their products. I’ll give you an example, the movie “Mud,“ with Matthew McConaughey, Tye Sheridan, Sam Shepard, and Reese Witherspoon. There’s lots of smoking going on in that movie.
Hollywood in the last 30 years has done little to help America and a has done a hell of a lot to destroy it. Take the gun issue. Hollywood has promoted gangsters, smoking, guns, and gun violence. They’ve done a nice job. Now our Teachers and kids aren’t safe anymore in school.
Guess who the left wants to blame for all this crazy gun violence? It’s not Hollywood but the NRA. The movie & game industry had made their selves rich from promoting violence. And there's blood on their hands, lots of it.
It's fantasy.

You need to focus. Movies and games are based on fiction. You know, like the Last Temptation of Christ. Ben-Hur. The Ten Commandments.

Fiction.

Pay attention to what's real. Actors pretend to smoke. They pretend to have sex. They're actors.

I can't believe that a 20 year old has to tell you these things. What happened to your generation?

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Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#205105 Jan 19, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Long time ago, Tonto rode with Long Ranger.

I better check that movie out.

I have seen "The Lone Ranger "
but I have not seen " The Long Ranger "

It's not porn is it ?

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#205109 Jan 19, 2014
Greens - tuf wrote:
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I better check that movie out.
I have seen "The Lone Ranger "
but I have not seen " The Long Ranger "
It's not porn is it ?
Homosexual porn.

But...they're only acting.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#205115 Jan 19, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Did you ever see the movie “Casino?”
Remember the part where they used the patrons head to open the door?
That will be you if you come and take a piss on the floor of most churches in America. We’re going to use your head to open the freaking door.
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Lol. You're such a badass.
He has 10 years experience using his own head as a battering ram.
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Redding, CA

#205116 Jan 19, 2014
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. Fictional violence is more dangerous than ensuring easy access to assault weapons for everyone.
Just another attempt the racists use to keep the black man down.

“What's left to defend?”

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#205119 Jan 19, 2014
What happened to Schoolhouse Rock?

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#205120 Jan 19, 2014


Finally, some real education.

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#205121 Jan 19, 2014

“Love much, trust none”

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There

#205122 Jan 19, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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It won't clarify a thing for Buck. It doesn't follow his narrative, therefore he ignores it.
Bingo!

It is like talking to someone who is using mescaline. The hallucination is their reality.

“What's left to defend?”

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#205123 Jan 19, 2014

“Love much, trust none”

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There

#205124 Jan 19, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Bro I love you but this isn't honest. And if you remember it is where you and I first met when I first shared about my wife. Homosexuality is mentioned in the bible, read Romans with an open mind. And are you serious about Sodom? Really? God gave them chances and it wasn't a lack of faith but people so ate up with lust that even when an angel struck them blind and they couldn't see the mob became furious.(Genesis 19) I know we will not agree on this issue but wanted to say my peace.
You are wrong.

You just need a deity to justify your gay bashing.
Be a man and quite hiding behind Jesus robes, you are getting shit all over them.

“The eye has it...”

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#205126 Jan 19, 2014
Continuing...

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Adams then points again to the diversity and what such the assemblage agreed upon, those "general principles", and the broad appeal that satisfied both the religionist, and non religious, theist and non theist.

"General principles" that appealed to all. The precepts that everyone agreed upon.

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"Could my answer be understood by any candid reader or hearer, to recommend to all the others the general principles, institutions, or systems of education of the Roman Catholics, or those of the Quakers, or those of the Presbyterians, or those of the Methodists, or those of the Moravians, or those of the Universalists, or those of the Philosophers? No. " - John Adams

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence, were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young men could unite, and these principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general principles? I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects were united, and the general principles of English and American liberty, in which all those young men united, and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence. Now I will avow, that I then believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature and our terrestrial, mundane system. I could, therefore safely say, consistently with all my then and present information, that I believed they would never make discoveries in contradiction to these general principles." - John Adams

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Where are those "general principles" found? Adams says it plainly.

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"In favor of these general principles, in philosophy, religion, and government, I could fill sheets of quotations from Frederic of Prussia, from Hume, Gibbon, Bolingbroke, Rousseau, and Voltaire, as well as Newton and Locke; not to mention thousands of divines and philosophers of inferior fame."

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Right there, above, he points out that the "general principles" were and are drawn from numerous areas. He then continues and points to how he saw himself.

Open minded. A citizen of the United States, proud he was a part and originator of that melting pot, even then.

He ends with this, as what contributed to the forming of the union.

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"I might have flattered myself that my sentiments were sufficiently known to have protected me against suspicions of narrow thoughts, contracted sentiments, bigoted, enthusiastic, or superstitious principles, civil, political, philosophical, or ecclesiastical. The first sentence of the preface to my Defence of the Constitution, vol. i., printed in 1787, is in these words:

“The arts and sciences, in general, during the three or four last centuries, have had a regular course of progressive improvement. The inventions in mechanic arts, the discoveries in natural philosophy, navigation, and commerce, and the advancement of civilization and humanity, have occasioned changes in the condition of the world, and the human character, which would have astonished the most refined nations of antiquity,”

John Adams, The Works of John Adams, vol. 10 (Letters 1811-1825, Indexes)[1854]

The "general principles".

All of the above quotes/excerpts and more @
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...

Quotes taken from such a large body of writing should always include a full treatment of the context. Otherwise the meaning is unclear, and easy to misconstrue when portions are omitted.

“The eye has it...”

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#205127 Jan 19, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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It won't clarify a thing for Buck. It doesn't follow his narrative, therefore he ignores it.
Well, it's Buck.

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Freedom

#205129 Jan 19, 2014

“Love much, trust none”

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There

#205131 Jan 19, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
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I realize there may be a clearer way for me to explain my position
The sins IMO in Sodom were a result of them choosing the flesh (giving in to any desire to sin) over God. It would not have mattered what specifically the sins were once a people turn their back on God
Had Sodom turned its back on God and engaged in rampant murder and rape it would have been destroyed as well IMO. It wasn't the specific sin as God hates all sin. It was the fact that they were basically given the chance to repent their ways and return to the Lord and be saved and instead they chose the flesh over God. Those that do that are weak in faith.
Liars are an abomination to God. Had Sodom turned its back on God and continued to lie and cheat and steal it would have also been destroyed. The weakness of faith led to a return to the flesh
2 Peter
"20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true:“A dog returns to its vomit,”g and,“A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
This is what I believed happened in Sodom. And had Sodom been shown the same miracles as Capernaum was, even as weak as Sodom was in their faith, they would have never denied them and therefore would have been spared. They stopped caring about what God wanted. They no longer feared God. They only wanted to please themselves. That is what led to their destruction IMO. Not the specific sins committed as the penalty for all sin is death for those who don't have faith
(T) Peace
In Judaic terms, S&G's sins were lack of love. Lack of love for each other, lack of love for strangers and lack of love for God.

In Christian terms that would be lack of all three of the "Loves" that Jesus commanded.

The same sins that far too many Christians IMHO are just as guilty of as S&G.

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#205132 Jan 19, 2014
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Barton's 2012 book The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[11] The book's publisher, the Christian publishing house Thomas Nelson, disavowed the book and withdrew it from sale. A senior executive said that Thomas Nelson could not stand by the book because "basic truths just were not there."[12]
Seems legit.
Thomas Nelson publishing is no longer a Christian publishing house. It was bought out by Harper Collins.

Notice no specifics on anything untruthful about Barton's book.

That's because critics have yet to find anything. Did you see a specific mistake mentioned?

It is based on a critique, not by any historian, but by a Gay Activist Psychologist and Pamphleteer - Warren Throckmorton.

Throckmorton managed to whip up enough pressure from Gay Activist groups that they intimidated the publisher into pulling the book. It's a public smear job.

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#205133 Jan 20, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Buck, proving Barton by quoting Barton is known as circular reasoning. It does not count as proof.
No, that's not remotely what circular reasoning is.

Does Barton proving his point by including a photograph of his document claim in his book qualify as circular reasoning?

Do you join Throckmorton and Coulter in rejecting their own eyes?

I bet you do.

“Love much, trust none”

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There

#205134 Jan 20, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Many Christians, myself included, believe Genesis is metaphorical
Creation, the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc are illustrations to make a point. Not quite parabolic but essentially the same thing
Many books have their own individual purpose. Isiah and Revelation deals with prophesy. Proverbs and Psalms are self-explanatory. The four gospels. Genesis is metaphorical. And so on.
Agreed.
Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#205135 Jan 20, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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Homosexual porn.
But...they're only acting.

What do you call a cowboy with a bit of poo on his moustache ?

Looking for love in all the wrong places.

“Love much, trust none”

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There

#205136 Jan 20, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure if you are being intentionally less than forthright or if we really have this big of a communication gap
Have I not made it clear repeatedly the I understand the homosexual act is a sin according to the Bible?
What I have asked you is to show me where it says anywhere in the Bible the act of marriage is a sin because the two people getting married sin
What I have asked you several times is to show me anywhere in the Bible that states any sin of the flesh is considered worse than another as all sins of the flesh lead to death
What I have asked you several times is why you focus on one sin, when there are 7 other sins God considers an abomination (Proverbs 6:16-19) including anyone that lies, why you would choose to single out the one sin you know you will never commit and ignore all the other abominable sins when speaking for why the Lord would choose to destroy people
What I have asked you several times is why you believe God is still passing judgement (and also killing a bunch of Christians in the process btw) when the Bible is clear that since Christ died on the cross, further judgement happens upon his return
And I have asked you if you personally detest homosexuality and would feel how you do about it even if it wasn't mentioned in the Bible
I am not sure why you spent so much time to post me verses about something I never disputed. There are still plenty of things left from our exchange that can be addressed however if you are willing
IMHO, it is the age old way of excusing one's own "sins" by shifting the focus to someone else's "sins".

"But what 'they' do is far worse!"

It ties in closely with why Jesus was constantly saying to focus on what "you" are doing and stop pointing fingers at others.

The only one's who need worry about the divine judgement of most "sins" is the sinner, it is no one else's right to judge them except God.

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