I never said I didn't pray as a child. I said I think I didn't pray enough.And among the primary plaintiffs were Jewish orgs, not "secular humanists".
The problem was in prescribing the exact verbiage, which constitutes state-sponsored endorsement. Secondly, making it an official school prayer time, which again signifies official religious endorsement.
Beyond that, I would argue that it is in fact coercive. Any event held in an ostensibly authoritarian environment such as a school, with the added peer pressure universal at this age, is inherently coercive. Even the appearance of non-conformity brings down the wrath of teacher and student alike.
In any case NO one is barred from voluntary prayer of their own conception. Civil authorities just can't set aside an official "prayer time", much less write the prayer.
It's only "bullshit" to you because you would like to see a Christian prayer, which is bullshit to me because you've admitted not praying as a child, in school or out, and to harboring some of the very sentiments that are at root of the moral decline you bemoan. I hate the way the word hypocrite gets thrown around so easily here, but Riv, man, you are doing it without even blushing. You are a walking contradiction.
Hopefully you are at least consistent. What was your stand on the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque"? Were you so willing to stand for everyone's freedom of religious expression, or just Christian?
There's a big difference there. This, I think, is why you're having such a hard time debating. I'll say "I didn't pray enough as a child" and you'll read "I never prayed as a child".
That's your fault, not mine.
As far as the ground zero mosque, I think it's a terrible idea to have a Muslim church that close to ground zero. It's heartless and it shows no compassion whatsoever.