Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 14, 2014
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Mythical Abraham was dangerously insane.
The best way to screen believers would be hypnotism. One could find out if a person would be willing to kill on their deity's command, without placing anyone in danger. If they are willing to believe that they can receive divine instruction, the hypnotist should be able to successfully plant the suggestion. Then they would just observe the believer's decision, either by asking them, or to go a little further, see if they'll kill a ballistic gel dummy.
We would be looking for the answer to these questions, which in this context mean the same thing:
How much faith does this person have?
How strong is this person's delusion?
We're simply lucky that the culmination of factors that lead to religious people thinking that their deity wants them to kill, and that they should kill, is becoming increasingly rare in America. Religion continues to be tempered by the influence of much better ideas. The increasing positive influence increases the cognitive dissonance in believers, which acts to stifle faith to some degree.
Ya know, I heard about this new prank in churches called "The Knockout Game".

You walk up to some unsuspecting person and try to knock them unconscious. It's a competition among church members to see who can get the highest score.

Sadly, I heard the unfortunate game has leaked out of the churches and infected inner city streets.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh.
So why are men divorcing women?
Excuse it all you want, the divorce rate is through the roof compared to pre-1962.
So is the population.

Must be all those pre-teen pregnancies.

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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Mythical Abraham was dangerously insane.
The best way to screen believers would be hypnotism. One could find out if a person would be willing to kill on their deity's command, without placing anyone in danger. If they are willing to believe that they can receive divine instruction, the hypnotist should be able to successfully plant the suggestion. Then they would just observe the believer's decision, either by asking them, or to go a little further, see if they'll kill a ballistic gel dummy.
We would be looking for the answer to these questions, which in this context mean the same thing:
How much faith does this person have?
How strong is this person's delusion?
We're simply lucky that the culmination of factors that lead to religious people thinking that their deity wants them to kill, and that they should kill, is becoming increasingly rare in America. Religion continues to be tempered by the influence of much better ideas. The increasing positive influence increases the cognitive dissonance in believers, which acts to stifle faith to some degree.
Ya. Hey.

Great idea.

Except hypnotists are as real as David Copperfield's "magic".

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Jan 14, 2014
 
That should be "hypnotism", not "hypotists".

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Yes, and the failure began with the loss of publicly praying to our God. It led to a moral and spiritual disintegration of our society.
And we're continuing to spiral downward.
Let me get this right - you're saying that if we would only mandate a prayer in school, all those ills you mentioned would return to a more idyllic level? Didn't have anything to do with anything else? A public prayer in schools would solve all our troubles?

What prayer would you mandate? Would you allow a nod to Mary? How would the Protestants feel about that? How would the Catholics feel about leaving her out? How about Utah/Nevada/ Arizona - many there have a totally different concept of Jesus? Do we tailor our prayer to the community, the school, or each individual? How do we do so in, say, many boroughs of NYC without making a young Jewish boy feel left out, not to mention the pockets of Jews in all communities? And screw the Hindus, Muslims, Shintoes, Native Americans, and all other "furriner gawds", right?

It's a lot more complicated in practice, ain't it? That's why the Founders, in their wisdom, said, "Hey, it's a matter of the heart, not the public forum, because it's inherently divisive and exclusionary".

To this day, any given poll returns a number of something around 80% "Christian". You can't really tell me that 20% of Americans are wagging the dog all this time. So, really what you're saying is, Christianity failed, NOT in school, but in helping to instill order in society.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No.
When a Christian murders, it's because he's insane.
When an atheist murders, it's because he's insane.
Capisce?
There ya go.

>grin<

Yes, we will be referring back to this honest admission.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh.
So why are men divorcing women?
Excuse it all you want, the divorce rate is through the roof compared to pre-1962.
So, which is a greater predictor of a failed marriage - misogynist behavior in an adult, or lack of a school prayer as a child?

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<quoted text> hey RT. Well the pony tail comment referred to men and it depends on the look. How gauche are they? All that distastefull goth, nose rings African style lips pieces and ear pieces ridiculous ink work eyeball covers. Their opportunities are limited for sure. The fad was once limited to entertainers and wackadoos but it caught on kinda like those droopy drawers. Ive never seen your average idiot who desecrates themselves in "gainfull" type employment. Im sure some have because their abilities overcome the spectacle and an employer can "use" them. A psychologist could explain the whole thing a lot better than me.
I understand your point, Bongo. What's considered socially unacceptable now will change as the demographics change. Zuckerberg goes to board meetings in a hoody and flip flops. Times change and so does public opinion of what's normal.

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Catcher going to the gym is like hogs running to the trough.
Squeezing in there, making room, body touching body, sweat touching sweat, grunting, squealing, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the finish.
Are you high again?

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Jan 14, 2014
 
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Wrong.
Those are the methods to propose an amendment.
The Constitution being amended then requires adoption by three-fourths (38) of the states.
You're right, of course.

2/3 to propose, 3/4 to pass.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're about 85 cards short of a full deck.
Your deck is made of cards?

Mine is made of wood.
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Tide with Beach wrote:
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Mythical Abraham was dangerously insane.
The best way to screen believers would be hypnotism. One could find out if a person would be willing to kill on their deity's command, without placing anyone in danger. If they are willing to believe that they can receive divine instruction, the hypnotist should be able to successfully plant the suggestion. Then they would just observe the believer's decision, either by asking them, or to go a little further, see if they'll kill a ballistic gel dummy.
We would be looking for the answer to these questions, which in this context mean the same thing:
How much faith does this person have?
How strong is this person's delusion?
We're simply lucky that the culmination of factors that lead to religious people thinking that their deity wants them to kill, and that they should kill, is becoming increasingly rare in America. Religion continues to be tempered by the influence of much better ideas. The increasing positive influence increases the cognitive dissonance in believers, which acts to stifle faith to some degree.
Life was very cheap in those days and in some places still is. An ultimate test was put to Abe, what better test could there be? The command has always been, thou shall not kill. You kill by proxy every day. Something has to die so you can eat and live. When a famine strikes again, youll see some killing for sure. uck has adequately demonstrated that atheism has killed many millions. 182 thousand percent more than theists.

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Jan 14, 2014
 
Eagle 12 wrote:
And science without errors, is humans without science.
Actually - no it isn't.

Funny thing about Science, there is always something new to discover.

...and humans are just the recipient of the knowledge.

If an error is made, it is because all the information probably wasn't available or was not taken into the account.

If you are claiming ID is error free, one must first prove that ID is not error free as well.

If one were to take the instances of ID in the Bible, you will find that there are two incidences.

Thus, this indicates one is in error.

Thus, Christianity is in error - and the odd thing about this is because of humans must not have had the correct notion to correct the text.

UNLESS.....

You can prove both of the methods listed in the BIble are without error. Can you?

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<quoted text> hey RT. Well the pony tail comment referred to men and it depends on the look. How gauche are they? All that distastefull goth, nose rings African style lips pieces and ear pieces ridiculous ink work eyeball covers. Their opportunities are limited for sure. The fad was once limited to entertainers and wackadoos but it caught on kinda like those droopy drawers. Ive never seen your average idiot who desecrates themselves in "gainfull" type employment. Im sure some have because their abilities overcome the spectacle and an employer can "use" them. A psychologist could explain the whole thing a lot better than me.
Hey Bongo - you are right - appearance in the workplace is a strong suit for an employer to act upon a candidate to use as one of their members.

And it can be attributed to many of these persons on why thye haven't found gainful employment.

I know that a receptionist who has a Goth look and/or visible piercing will probably not be permitted to work at the front desk, if they look like this. Bad image for the company.

Now - do these expressions cause a person to not be able to work in a cubical or the warehouse - probably not, but more than likely they would have to remove their visible piercings while on the job.

Just a few points from a guy who has hired and fired.

Cheers!

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<quoted text>Let me get this right - you're saying that if we would only mandate a prayer in school, all those ills you mentioned would return to a more idyllic level? Didn't have anything to do with anything else? A public prayer in schools would solve all our troubles?
What prayer would you mandate? Would you allow a nod to Mary? How would the Protestants feel about that? How would the Catholics feel about leaving her out? How about Utah/Nevada/ Arizona - many there have a totally different concept of Jesus? Do we tailor our prayer to the community, the school, or each individual? How do we do so in, say, many boroughs of NYC without making a young Jewish boy feel left out, not to mention the pockets of Jews in all communities? And screw the Hindus, Muslims, Shintoes, Native Americans, and all other "furriner gawds", right?
It's a lot more complicated in practice, ain't it? That's why the Founders, in their wisdom, said, "Hey, it's a matter of the heart, not the public forum, because it's inherently divisive and exclusionary".
To this day, any given poll returns a number of something around 80% "Christian". You can't really tell me that 20% of Americans are wagging the dog all this time. So, really what you're saying is, Christianity failed, NOT in school, but in helping to instill order in society.
RR doesn't seem to have the capacity to involve all of these questions.

He's biased - but then again, most so-called "Christians" are.

I'd like to see RR answer every question you have above.

Will he? Nah - he likes to divert too much.

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Jan 14, 2014
 
Buck Crick wrote:
I am a theist. It has never directed me to be a suicide bomber.
It has helped shape my perspective of reality, and of what ought to be, as Stalin's atheism did for him.
Buckism is not theism, and Stalinism is not atheism.

Buckism may be theistic, and Stalinism may be atheistic.

The direction you take, or that any theist takes, does not necessarily reflect on theism.

The direction that Stalin took, or that any atheist takes, does not necessarily reflect on atheism.

If you need some more help, I have an analogy prepared.
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Actually - no it isn't.
Funny thing about Science, there is always something new to discover.
...and humans are just the recipient of the knowledge.
If an error is made, it is because all the information probably wasn't available or was not taken into the account.
If you are claiming ID is error free, one must first prove that ID is not error free as well.
If one were to take the instances of ID in the Bible, you will find that there are two incidences.
Thus, this indicates one is in error.
Thus, Christianity is in error - and the odd thing about this is because of humans must not have had the correct notion to correct the text.
UNLESS.....
You can prove both of the methods listed in the BIble are without error. Can you?
Science has never been without errors.

And mankind has never been without science.

Thereís so many errors in science we couldnít even begin to list them all. But one that comes to mind is the ďLeaning Tower of Piza.Ē

It stands today an example of human engineering and gross miscalculations.
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Science and humanity are married. Itís not a perfect marriage as Atheist want you to believe. Itís a marriage that has lots of flaws. Itís far from being perfect.
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The first scientist was also the first man.

His name was Adam.

He was a biologist and the first to give names to the animals.

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The first scientist was also the first man.
His name was Adam.
He was a biologist and the first to give names to the animals.
"I shall call it 'elephant'"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, you fundies crack me up!

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