Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#202081 Jan 12, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
In a controversial decision, the Oklahoma government authorized a Ten Commandments monument on the Capitol grounds. The Satanic Temple has now submitted an application to place a seven-foot statue of Satan (depicted as goat-headed, with wings and horns) on the Capitol grounds. The applicants explain that the monument is intended to be a historical marker celebrating the scapegoats, marginalized and demonized minorities, and a symbol of religious freedom.
Who thinks both monuments should be permitted, and why? Who thinks neither should be permitted? Who thinks one should be allowed, and the other not, and why?
It is not a religious monument, it is a political statement as explained by the applicants. There will have to be issues resolved about freedom of expression and suitability of the venue for that expression. As a political statement, and not a religious expression it may be restricted to areas set aside for demonstrations.

The Ten Commandments are moral codes already ingrained in our culture and adapted even in secular humanism, so is not necessarily religious, per se. You do claim morality can be had without religion.

They should have gone the public art route.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202082 Jan 12, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
In a controversial decision, the Oklahoma government authorized a Ten Commandments monument on the Capitol grounds. The Satanic Temple has now submitted an application to place a seven-foot statue of Satan (depicted as goat-headed, with wings and horns) on the Capitol grounds. The applicants explain that the monument is intended to be a historical marker celebrating the scapegoats, marginalized and demonized minorities, and a symbol of religious freedom.
Who thinks both monuments should be permitted, and why? Who thinks neither should be permitted? Who thinks one should be allowed, and the other not, and why?
The Satanists just want to troll around and cause trouble. They don't really want a statue of Satan.

I say vote on it.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#202083 Jan 12, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> is Phyliss Diller still alive?
She died August 20, 2012. I liked her and Joan Rivers.

Catcher couldn't be her for the same reason he couldn't be Joan, notwithstanding the existential issue.

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

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#202085 Jan 12, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> is Phyliss Diller still alive?
Who?

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

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#202086 Jan 12, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The Satanists just want to troll around and cause trouble. They don't really want a statue of Satan.
I say vote on it.
I don't think you can vote on the 1st Amendment.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#202087 Jan 12, 2014
River Tam wrote:
I don't think you can vote on the 1st Amendment.
The 1st Amendment doesn't apply here.

The group that wants the statue of Satan isn't Congress....
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#202088 Jan 12, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not a religious monument, it is a political statement as explained by the applicants. There will have to be issues resolved about freedom of expression and suitability of the venue for that expression. As a political statement, and not a religious expression it may be restricted to areas set aside for demonstrations.
The Ten Commandments are moral codes already ingrained in our culture and adapted even in secular humanism, so is not necessarily religious, per se. You do claim morality can be had without religion.
They should have gone the public art route.

The nation’s largest police union is blasting President Obama for choosing an attorney who defended a cop murderer—and member of the radical Black Panthers—to head a key division at the Justice Department, the agency responsible for enforcing the law and defending the interests of the United States.

Obama’s nominee to be Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice (DOJ), Debo Adegbile, spent more than a decade in various leadership positions—including director—at the Legal Defense and Education Fund of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). During Adegbile’s leadership the NAACP volunteered its services to represent Mumia Abu-Jamal, a member of the Black Panthers who murdered a police officer (Daniel Faulkner) in Philadelphia three decades ago.

Abu-Jamal was sentenced to death by the jury that convicted him in 1982 and his supporters—including the man who could soon be an Assistant Attorney General—have long claimed that he was the victim of a racist legal system. Nevertheless, Abu-Jamal has lost multiple appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court has twice rejected his case. In 2012, under the leadership of Adegbile, the NAACP’s Legal Defense and Education Fund represented Abu-Jamal in his latest appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. The cop murderer lost that one too, but the fact remains that Adegbile continues fighting on his behalf.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#202089 Jan 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler and the Nazis used religious phrases for propaganda.
You are wrong, and you are an idiot.
Let's hear some more evidence against Barton. So far, you are batting zero, and Barton is batting 1000.
Oh, here is the link to the New York Times article highlighting the legally documented proof, compiled by government sources, that the Nazis planned to eradicate christianity.
Since I'm not their to rub your face in it, I will have to "visualize" it. You know, like Dave mentioned about visualizing something as infinite, then you lied about what he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinrevie...
Work presented by a nutbag that was written by a nutbag!

Another words NUTS!

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#202090 Jan 12, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> I adjunct your aplomb with applause
You bob a nob with what?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#202091 Jan 12, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfettered sex?
Is there some other kind?
Yah the missionary position?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#202092 Jan 12, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Im pretty sure HL likes it fettered. With unbridled enthusiasm, of course.
If you had any idea what HL liked,
she would change her name.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#202093 Jan 12, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think you can vote on the 1st Amendment.
Is that the right to remain silent? lol

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#202094 Jan 12, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The 1st Amendment doesn't apply here.
The group that wants the statue of Satan isn't Congress....
You Nazi! The first amendment applies everywhere an American goes!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202095 Jan 12, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
You Nazi! The first amendment applies everywhere an American goes!
God with us.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202096 Jan 12, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text>
The nation’s largest police union is blasting President Obama for choosing an attorney who defended a cop murderer—and member of the radical Black Panthers—to head a key division at the Justice Department, the agency responsible for enforcing the law and defending the interests of the United States.
Obama’s nominee to be Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice (DOJ), Debo Adegbile, spent more than a decade in various leadership positions—including director—at the Legal Defense and Education Fund of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). During Adegbile’s leadership the NAACP volunteered its services to represent Mumia Abu-Jamal, a member of the Black Panthers who murdered a police officer (Daniel Faulkner) in Philadelphia three decades ago.
Abu-Jamal was sentenced to death by the jury that convicted him in 1982 and his supporters—including the man who could soon be an Assistant Attorney General—have long claimed that he was the victim of a racist legal system. Nevertheless, Abu-Jamal has lost multiple appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court has twice rejected his case. In 2012, under the leadership of Adegbile, the NAACP’s Legal Defense and Education Fund represented Abu-Jamal in his latest appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. The cop murderer lost that one too, but the fact remains that Adegbile continues fighting on his behalf.
WTF kinda name is Adegbile?!

Aged bile? Is that like aged wine or aged milk?

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#202097 Jan 12, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> well, we know youre a phony, eh porky?
Go and suck on a pork sword.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#202098 Jan 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a liar.
Produce where I said that.
So you concede that Christians murdered more than 6 million Jews during WWII.

About frikkin time!

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#202099 Jan 12, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice toy you have there.
Now let's see if you can apply it to something useful. Something more real world. In your own words, using your own creative abilities, give us an example how you would use that to feed a planet. Not something generalized, but say how much acreage would be needed for let's say corn, minus losses foreseen and unforeseen, production, transportation, and distribution costs, and returns to fund such. Account for all of the variables possible.
Let's see how your designed world using math is better than ad hoc and as needed basis we have employed for eons.
Show us you know your stuff. Create a formula for us.
Dave, the examples you give require nothing more than simple algebra. The tools of calculus solve more difficult questions. For example, ask how fast a tsunami will move, how high it will get, how much energy will it have when it reaches shore. Those questions you would need calculus to answer. Or you have an irregular shape, one not found in standard geometry. What would its volume be? You would need calculus to find the answer.

Or, going back to the roots of calculus, how do you answer questions about motion? The answer again is calculus. There is a reason Newton invented it. Newton's physics can't be done without it. Look at the motion of any object. Set up its initial conditions. What you get is something called a differential equation. And to solve differential equations you need calculus.

Sad little uneducated Dave. He wants to talk physics. But to a physicist Dave only talks in baby talk. Because Dave doesn't know the math that is the REAL language of physics. Go ahead, Dave, and try to talk about waves in EM...without the wave equation from Diff Eq...without calculus to solve that differential equation.

Without calculus one is stuck at the high school level of physics, able to write down a few of the basic equations, but unable to derive any of them. Even the first semester of the first physics course in college requires calculus. Do you happen to recall the formula for the distance traveled in time t if you have a constant acceleration a? The formula is 1/2 at^2 + v0t. Do you know where that formula comes from? It is derived from integral calculus, since acceleration is the second derivative of position.

Try this Dave...launch a space probe to Jupiter and navigate it between worlds using your ad hoc methods. Most likely, you would never get there. The constant course corrections you would be having to make would use up all your fuel before a tiny fraction of the trip was completed.

Now use my math to plan the path ahead of time. You get the optimal launch date. You get the optimal velocity. You use minimal fuel, making minimal course corrections. You actually arrive at Jupiter and are able to do real science...instead of tumbling off lost in space.

Dave, you too are a funny little guy, but also a very sad case.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#202100 Jan 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
....
Did you realize, you simpering fool, that the Nazis decreed that their soldiers could not read the Bible or attend Christian services?....
German veterans if WWII say you are a liar.

"Gott mit uns!" Real atheism there, Buck.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#202101 Jan 12, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice toy you have there.
Now let's see if you can apply it to something useful. Something more real world. In your own words, using your own creative abilities, give us an example how you would use that to feed a planet. Not something generalized, but say how much acreage would be needed for let's say corn, minus losses foreseen and unforeseen, production, transportation, and distribution costs, and returns to fund such. Account for all of the variables possible.
Let's see how your designed world using math is better than ad hoc and as needed basis we have employed for eons.
Show us you know your stuff. Create a formula for us.
To put it in far fewer words...

Today's world is highly technological.
That technology is based on science.
Most of that science is physics, or is derived from physics.
You can't do the physics without the math.

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