Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201677 Jan 11, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
The first amendment was meant exclusively to prevent the establishment of an "official" Federal religion. The states still had the ability to establish a state official religion. In fact one or two still had one until later an they dropped such on their own accord. That Federal prohibition has been hijacked by the atheist crowd
How did you let that happen? What fraction of the total was that? Why can't you take it back?

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#201678 Jan 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, you prove my point. If you can label me, it automatically disqualifies me and supposedly enables you not to mount a reasoned answer.
I'm not giving you that cop-out.
I simply asked a question about an incident in a book you disparage. Now you have to defend your position.
So far you are failing miserably.
Smile.
You try labelling people in order to discredit them, with every post. It doesn't work with reasonable adults, bucket of rocks.

But nice try.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#201679 Jan 11, 2014
Jim wrote:
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OCD + low intelligence usually results in religion or conspiracy theories.(Religion is just a big conspiracy theory anyway)
Jim, go take a sh*t and clear you mind.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#201680 Jan 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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My falling out with the Southern Baptist Church began when I was about 15 or 16. By the time I was 18, it was complete.
The first thing that comes to mind is Arson. Juveniles account for more than 50% of all arsons in the United States.

I bet it was complete, completely burned down.

How many attempts did it take you?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#201681 Jan 11, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for you!
Cults are difficult to break free of.
Especially the Atheist lead cults.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#201682 Jan 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Especially the Atheist lead cults.
I sure wish someone would tell me where all these atheist churches and organizations are that you are talking about.

Based on the rantings of the theists here, 3% of the population (atheists) have more power than God.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#201683 Jan 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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But they don't get it at all. For most people, "infinity" just means a really large value. This is a colloquial meaning, but not the mathematical meaning.
Once, when teaching Calc II, I was working a problem on the board dealing with a limit at infinity. One of my students asked, "What if infinity equals 5,000,000?"
I responded, "But it doesn't."
He came back, "How about if it equals 5,000,005?"
It was headdesk time. I tried to explain, but he just didn't seem to be able to get past his preconceptions. To him, infinity WAS just a really big number.
When I heard about infinity as a kid, I borrowed my brother's calculator to try and find it.

I kept multiplying numbers, higher and higher. Eventually, all I got was a E for error.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201684 Jan 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
We all employ faith, IANS. All of us, in varying ways.
Why? To my knowledge,I believe nothing at all without evidence - certainly nothing important.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Safety Harbor, FL

#201685 Jan 11, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You're weak, Catcher.
I lived among minorities, Catcher. For a long time. You just made money off them. You probably made them drive to your office to pay you.
Fred Phelps did the same thing you claim you are doing. Fighting for the rights of the oppressed. I guess he had an influence on you.
You are a mouth that will say anything to feed your wallet.
Charlie Crist. Smart money says he may once again be the gov here. Many just like it when someone tells them what they want to hear.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201686 Jan 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You're welcome. I meant that sincerely. The Bible teaches us that we must become right before God and come clean of our sins before He even accepts our prayers. In order to even begin that journey, one has to accept sin and accept the fact that he's a sinner and has sinned. A false assumption is that God answers to our prayers because of our sincerity, but that would lead to a point where one is righteous. The Bible teaches us that no one is righteous. You have to be remorseful about sins. This is the first step on the path the knowing God and discovering that He's truly out there. Psalm 66:18 "If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord will not have listened Proverbs 15:29, The LORD is far from the wicked but he hears the prayer of the righteous.
Thanks, but that has all been covered.

By the way, that was another version of you-must-have-been-doing-it-wr ong. I wasn't. There was nothing for me there. I have no doubt that the teaching is false.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#201687 Jan 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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That Space Ranger would be something Buzz Lightyear would say.
I know this will cause your little mind to explode, but I am telling the truth. Infinity is not a number. It does not belong to any of the set of numbers that are defined. Infinity is larger than any number, which implies that infinity itself is not a number.

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/10/13/i...

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#201688 Jan 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
That Space Ranger would be something Buzz Lightyear would say.
BTW...are you like Buck and express opinions as certainties without any training in the field at all?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#201689 Jan 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The first thing that comes to mind is Arson. Juveniles account for more than 50% of all arsons in the United States.
I bet it was complete, completely burned down.
How many attempts did it take you?
WTF are you talking about?

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#201690 Jan 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
My falling out with the Southern Baptist Church began when I was about 15 or 16. By the time I was 18, it was complete.
Pleased to hear it, mate! Welcome to the real world.
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“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#201691 Jan 11, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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When I heard about infinity as a kid, I borrowed my brother's calculator to try and find it.
I kept multiplying numbers, higher and higher. Eventually, all I got was a E for error.
A googol is 10 to the 100 power, or a 1 followed by 100 zeros. This is vastly larger than all the subatomic particles we see in the observable universe.

A googolplex is 10 to the googol power...a 1 followed by a googol of zeros. To us, mere humans, this is an astoundingly large number. And yet, in comparison to infinity, it is barely above zero. In fact, it would be indistinguishable from zero if somehow we could get to that vantage point. There are just as many counting numbers larger than a googolplex as there are that are larger than 0. At least, in terms of size of sets.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201692 Jan 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I employed an alternate definition of the word worship, just as I do with faith.
You worship your wife. I know you do. That in no way means you think she's your eternal salvation. You also have faith in your wife. That doesn't mean you blindly trusts that she exists......
You are probably correct about how I feel, but we disagree about how words should best be used to describe things. I'm a big fan of giving two different ideas two different names whenever possible. Using the same word for both obscures differences.

I've seen this illustrated repeatedly while learning Spanish, which often assigns two words where English uses one. It's forced me to concentrate on differences in meanings that had been masked by the use of one word for two meanings. A good example is the word "ask," which can be either preguntar or pedir in Spanish. The first is the word you use to ask a question. The second would be the word you use to ask a favor

I asked her what time it is - Le pregunté qué hora es.
I asked her for help - Le pedí ayuda.

These are completely different ideas. One inquires, the other requests. One gets a question mark, the other doesn't. I had never noticed that these two words were one in my language before, and that I effortlessly toggled from one to the other unaware that I did.

I love, respect and trust my wife, but I don't worship her in the literal sense, and I don't have faith in her in the religious sense. So why use those words? I think that people who do literally worship and have faith in a god would like to see the rest of us get cozy with the words, which they might think makes it easier to get cozier with their literal application. Likewise with humanism or evolution a religion.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201693 Jan 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I guess the short version would have been one of the two: 1) Sometimes the way God speaks to us is different or more subtle than what one might expect. For someone new to the faith and hoping to believe, they may have set their sights a little high. For me personally, I find God in the little things much more than I do the bigger things. And I find him the most in others. Little things like him putting an unlikely person in my path at a time I really needed it. I don't chalk up every coincidence to God. It's just hard to explain. When I am living the right way, I just am supremely confident I will be able to handle whatever comes up. And often when I am living the right way, things break better fro me. I don't see ti as a coincidence that my luck is always better when I'm living the right way. And obviously I am talking about things that would have no way of knowing how i was living. Just when you live the right way, good things seem to happen a lot more. And for me, when I'm living that way, I can feel the presence of God not only in myself but am much more attuned to it in others. 2) Maybe you didn't miss a sign. I really don't know. I wish I did

Either way, I believe you put forth the effort
Thanks. I appreciate that.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201694 Jan 11, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
You wish to subjugate everyone underneath your phobias and beliefs, and of the crazies and eccentrics. You wish to let chaos rule. Chaos only destroys. It is a power grab via poisoning society, but you won't see it that way. You see it as a change for the better because it suits YOU, and your future masters of thinking.
You keep posting things like this, as if civilization isn't everywhere and at all times a struggle between competing ideas and ideologies. If your ideas are being pushed aside, then perhaps they should be. If you can't prevail in a peaceful battle of ideas, your idea wasn't good enough to persuade the people that needed persuading..
Dave Nelson wrote:
Why can't you understand that?
We understand. And we also disagree. At least you didn't get this answer:

Drew Carey is a huge fan of the Cleveland Indians, whose logo is a cartoon image of a moronic appearing Indian, about which a variety of Indian interest groups have complained. He likes the logo, and noted that he was in the majority, so his answer to them was (paraphrasing),“if you guys have a problem with it, I guess you should have fought harder.”

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201695 Jan 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
An example of what I am describing from the nonbiological world ...an archway. With an arch, remove any one of its stones and the whole thing comes tumbling down. The system is irreducible. Remove one part and whole fails. But was it always that way? No. At the start, it was a wooden frame filling the opening in the arch. This did not function as an arch, but as a support for stones. One by one the stones were added until the keystone is placed on top. After that, the wooden frame is removed. Note that its removal does not cause the arch to fail. What is left is the stone arch which is NOW irreducible. But as noted, it wasn't always irreducible.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Good illustration.
Buck Crick wrote:
Yes, it is a good illustration. But it flatly contradicts the Darwinian model of evolution. I don't think that's what he had in mind.
How does it contradict Darwin?

This appears irreducibly complex. Was it designed?
http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/phd_research/Lan...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201696 Jan 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Maybe you can enlighten us, open our eyes a little. Please share this elusive evidence of abiogenesis.
Are you really interested? I am aware of plenty of evidence for abiogenesis ranging from the discovery of organic molecules in space[1] to the self-organization of nucleic acids under the influence of a spark [2] to the self-sustained replication of an RNA enzyme [3][4][5]

[1] http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science...
[2] http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/rib...
[3] http://www.sciencemag.org/content/323/5918/12...
[4] http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/...
[5] http://phys.org/news186071435.html

This is preeminent Harvard geneticist Jack Szostak summarizing the state of the art in an hour long YouTube called "The Origin of Cellular Life on Earth" for those interested


Here is a written summary of many of these findings called "The Origins of Cellular Life":
http://www.hhmi.org/research/origins-cellular...

I have nothing else to offer you but material like this. As I have said before, we cannot drag faith based thinkers into our world without their cooperation. If none of this constitutes evidence for you, I suppose that we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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