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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#197231 Dec 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Even if this is historically accurate, it doesn't invalidate the merit of the argument (genetic fallacy). In fact, I just made a similar argument myself as to why it is not only logically accurate to use the words "atheist" and "agnostic" as many of us are now doing and recommending do, but perhaps also strategically sound.
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Why shouldn't atheists reframe the argument? We don't concede that privilege to our detractors.
And yes, atheism is the default position in the debate over the existence of gods. That's why most agnostics are atheists. If you can't be certain either way, you should not accept god claims.
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So what? Some think they're wrong. Some think we're refining a flawed concept.
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Once again, so what? Yes, there is work to do to get some unbelievers to embrace the word "atheist" after being raised to think of atheists as vile, corrupt, liars, none of whom are any good, and who are the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers. That's how the church framed the issue.
You prove my point.

The attempt to re-brand atheism is not an intellectual argument - it is a rhetorical argument and a strategy, not an attempt to elucidate.

Atheism is not the default position, and carries the same burden of proof as theism.

Atheists should make their case intellectually, not by sleight of hand.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197232 Dec 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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"I have been in many courtrooms, in trial and appellate courts, state and federal."
Same here.
"I have also been in many county jails, state prisons, federal prisons, and state facilities for involuntary commitment (incompetent to stand trial, criminally insane)"
Same here.
"I have even been in jail cells and prison lockup facilities, and in visiting rooms of all sorts."
Ditto.
Our experience is so similar. It's no wonder you know almost as much about law as I know.
Bet you he don't know about shock treatment

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#197233 Dec 30, 2013
Jim wrote:
... because when you go to a doctor they can explain to you EXACTLY how you work.
There's no fooling a doctor ...
Then why do they buy malpractice insurance?

Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahhaha. ...

I guess that's why there's no such term as "misdiagnosed".

Bwahahahahahahhahahahahhaha...

And you said you disbelieve gods.

Bwahahahahahahahhahaha....

Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197234 Dec 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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We disposed of Perhaps you could explain this widespread willingness among atheists to be dishonest?
I won't give in to the ruse. The ruse I am speaking of is a huge one..
By the way, there is still no such thing as an agnostic atheist or a married bachelor.
Most atheists and the bifurcated ones are fainted Christians and have read their bible. Deep down inside they know the consequence if they are wrong and they really really really just don't know if they are right , how could they?

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#197235 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> just don't know if they are right , how could they?
Our conscience lets know what is right and what is wrong. A moral compass that some decide to break with evil intention.

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#197236 Dec 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Gods do not exist:
A. Definitely true (gnostic atheist)
B. Probably true (agnostic atheist)
C. Probably false (agnostic theist)
D. Definitely false (gnostic theist)
A and B are atheists. Both have a belief - that gods do not exist.

A is an atheist who is a liar. This category includes most Topix atheists.

A, B, C, and D are persons who have a belief.

" None of the above" represents lack of belief. Yet this is what most Topix atheists claim.

He tries to be both "A" and "none of the above".

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#197237 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Bet you he don't know about shock treatment
Or the experimental anti-psychotic drugs they used up at Danville before authorities closed it down.

I had night vision and lockjaw for 3 months.

Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197238 Dec 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Then why do they buy malpractice insurance?
Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahhaha. ...
I guess that's why there's no such term as "misdiagnosed".
Bwahahahahahahhahahahahhaha...
And you said you disbelieve gods.
Bwahahahahahahahhahaha....
better yet, why do they have a culture of covering up, protecting one anothers faults, lying to patients and their families , every word as if walking on eggshells. They are not much different then the catholic church leaders are they?

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#197239 Dec 30, 2013
Strange Smoke Cloud wrote:
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Our conscience lets know what is right and what is wrong. A moral compass that some decide to break with evil intention.
Paul called it "law of my members".

I call it "god presence".

We have it before we are even born. There is no deficiency to correct, no bridge to cross to commune with god.

Look up "oceanic consciousness" of the newborn.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#197240 Dec 30, 2013

“Ditat Deus”

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#197241 Dec 30, 2013
River Tam wrote:
I'm on the edge of my seat.
Wait, when is he going to be right?
I have to pee.
Remember to wipe front to back...

“Ditat Deus”

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#197242 Dec 30, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
I live in a country where Atheists are the majority.
No issues there.
"In the 2011 Census, 61.14% of the Australian population were recorded as adhering to Christianity."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Au...

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#197243 Dec 30, 2013
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Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#197244 Dec 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>"In the 2011 Census, 61.14% of the Australian population were recorded as adhering to Christianity."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Au...
Wrong year.

Wrong number.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197245 Dec 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Stay and fight what how?.
So what reason is there for me to remain in America?.
How would I know, youre a lot smarter than me.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197246 Dec 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Or the experimental anti-psychotic drugs they used up at Danville before authorities closed it down.
I had night vision and lockjaw for 3 months.
maybe the lockjaw was a medically induced chastity belt.

“Ditat Deus”

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#197247 Dec 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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A and B are atheists. Both have a belief - that gods do not exist.
A is an atheist who is a liar. This category includes most Topix atheists.
A, B, C, and D are persons who have a belief.
" None of the above" represents lack of belief. Yet this is what most Topix atheists claim.
He tries to be both "A" and "none of the above".
The Topix Atheist! is deathly afraid of admitting to having any beliefs. They think it will lower their intellectual status if others believe they have a belief.

Strange.

They don't understand that "I lack a belief in deities" and "I don't believe deities exist" are essentially the same thing.

Or maybe they do understand but refuse to admit it.

“Ditat Deus”

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#197248 Dec 30, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
Wrong year.
Wrong number.
Just admit you're full of shit.

Atheists and non-believers represent roughly 25% of the Australian population.

That is not the majority.

You're either ignorant or lying.

Which is it?

“Ditat Deus”

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#197249 Dec 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You missed the pun. Again. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that we cobbled together a series of shoe puns. Shall I explain mine to you? It was the last of the upper quoted comments.
Ah...

Tongue in cheek.......bootstraps.....hee l....insolent....

Lol

Thowy

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#197250 Dec 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I get a fair amount of news from both Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, and most of the rest from my wife, who gets it from the Internet and either tells me about it or posts it to Facebook, which results in an email notification. Where else? The litany of murders, child abductions, temperature forecasts, and sports results that pass for news in shows called the news?
HA HA!!

Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are sources of news like Saturday Night Live is.

Also, your wife's personal choice of news, posted to the Bookface, isn't a good source, either.

No offense.

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