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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196330 Dec 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Atheism is no more of an ism in the ideological sense than metabolism, bruxism, botulism, alcoholism, or euphemism are. That's the root fallacy again, a type of semantic fallacy.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ya, and it's just a technicality that Christianity ends in -ity...
o.O
Would you have like Christism better?

In Spanish, the suffix "-dad" plays the same role as "-ity" does in English. Security/safety is seguridad, trinity is trinidad, charity is caridad, loyalty is lealtad, chastity is castidad, spirituality is espiritualidad, curiosity is curiosidad, etc.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196331 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.

He was a master politician in a Christian populated country.

The proof is not in his public speeches or public persona, it's in his private thoughts and plans.

[QUOTE] So then, even though you write that you're a christian, you're really not a christian? Is that "lip service" as well? "

I have nothing to gain by lying.

Hitler had everything to gain.

[QUOTE] You better know your stuff on Hitler redneck, unless you're content with being a rodeo clown and with making a mockery out of yourself *shrugs*.
"I think god is dead."
"Ah, the mark of a true catholic."
- Dogma
"

I know my stuff.

You don't.
You know his private thoughts?

Wow.

Nah, you don't know your stuff redneck and you have an agenda, so as far as I can tell, your alleged christianity is just lip service and gives you reason to lie, unless you really can read the minds of deceased despots.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196332 Dec 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Political control kills, not religions.
Can you let the pope know? Might be helpful.

Cheers Dave.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196333 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You're counting WWII deaths as religion based deaths?!?!?

Dude....
I didn't write the paper dude but yes, I too count it as a religious lunacy death toll.

Take it up with the Vatican that helped finance Hitler and helped convince the 90+% christian population of Germany to support him.

This is not my opinion redneck.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196334 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
To be clear, I do not mean to imply you would be a follower Hitler. Some other guy, before we know he's a Hitler, could attract humanists. I think you would be a lot more sophisticated in choosing leaders, and less vulnerable. I don't give that credit across the board.
Thanks. I don't see me being taken in by a demagogue, either.

And I'm not alone. There are plenty more like me. You only need to attain a critical density of trusted naysayers to have general consent among a population. In the past, the sensible people could keep the majority in check because they were trusted by virtue of being fellow Americans of good repute. That was enough.

Not any more.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196335 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
LuciFerr wrote:
Belligerent Civilization World War II (1939–1945) 55,000,000–72,000,000 War, Democide Christian, Buddhist
People’s Republic of China (1949-1975)
44,500,000-77,000,000 Democide Antitheist
Three Kingdoms Wars (220-280)
40,000,000 War Sinic
Soviet Reign (1923-1954)
38,000,000-55,000,000 Democide Antitheist
An Shi Rebellion (755-763)
36,000,000 Civil War Buddhist
Mongol Conquests (from 1207)
30,000,000–50,000,000 War Primal-Indigenous
Manchu conquest of Ming China (1616–1662)
25,000,000 War Sinic
Tai Ping Rebellion (China, 1851–1864)
20,000,000-50,000,000 Civil War Sinic, Christian
World War I (1914–1918)
15,000,000–66,000,000 War Christian
Second Sino-Japanese War (1931–1945)
15,000,000-22,000,00 War Buddhist
Nationalist China (1928-49)
10,075,000 Civil War Sinic
Conquests of Timur the Lame (1360-1405)
7,000,000-20,000,000 War Islamic
Belligerent Civilization Russian Civil War (1917–1922)
5,000,000–9,000,000 Civil War Christian, Antitheist
Conquests of Menelik II Ethiopia (1882- 1898)
5,000,000 War Christian
Congo Free State colonial war (1885-1908)
4,500,000-12,000,000 War Christian
Dungan Revolt (1862-1877)
4,000,000 Civil War Sinic
Second Congo War (1998–2007)
3,800,000-5,400,000 War Christian
Napoleonic Wars (1804–1815)
3,500,000–6,000,000 War Christian
China Mao Soviets (1923-1949)
3,500,000 Democide Antitheist
Thirty Years’ War (1618–1648)
3,000,000–8,000,000 War Christian
Yellow Turban Rebellion (China, 184–205)
3,000,000–7,000,000 Civil War Sinic
Korean War (1950–1953)
2,500,000–5,040,000 War Christian, Antitheist
Transatlantic Slave Trade (17th to 19th centuries)
2,400,000-4,300,000 Structural Violence Christian
(I'll go into detail on this one later:)
Vietnam War (1945–1975)
2,300,000–5,100,000 War Christian, Antitheist
French Wars of Religion (1562–1598)
2,000,000–4,000,000 Civil War Christian
Mahmud of Ghazni‘s invasions, India (1000-1027)
2,000,000 War Islamic
Belligerent Civilization Post-War Expulsion of Germans (1945-47)
2,100,000-3,000,000 Democide Christian
Young Turk Atrocities (1909-18)
1,800,000-2,000,000 Democide Islamic
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975-79)
1,700,000-2,035,000 Democide Antitheist
North Korea (1948-1987)
1,500,000-1,600,000 Democide Antitheist
Afghan Civil War (1979-ongoing)
1,500,000–2,000,000 Civil War Islamic
Arab Slave Trade (7th to 19th centuries)
1,400,000-2,000,000 Structural Violence Islamic
Chinese Civil War (1928–1949)
1,300,000–6,200,000 Civil War Sinic
Mexican Revolution (1910–1920)
1,000,000–2,000,000 Civil War Christian
Shaka‘s conquests (1816-1828)
1,000,000-2,000,000 Civil War Primal-Indigenous
Soviet Afghan intervention (1979–1989)
1,000,000–1,500,000 War Antitheist
Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970)
1,000,000-1,200,000 Civil War Islamic, Christian
Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988)
1,000,000 War Islamic
Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598)
1,000,000 War Buddhist
Second Sudanese Civil War (1983–2005)
1,000,000 Civil War Islamic,
Christian Crusades (1095-1272)
1,000,000 War Christian Aztec Atrocities 1,000,000+
Structural Violence Primal-Indigenous Panthay Rebellion (1856-1873) 1,000,000 Civil War Sinic
****
http://www.google.com.au/url ...
Sorry for the long link, needs to be downloaded but it is worth the effort.
****
Death count on wars listed here, so far;
Anti Theists - 140, 635,000
Religion - Infinity - Nah, kidding but really, c'mon!- 429,875,000
christianity's death toll is - 259,040,000 so far, more than half of religions combined and twice as much as antitheism.
I haven't even posted all the wars yet, nor have I yet counted the extermination of the American Indians.
__________

You could have saved space and just said:

"All deaths in history are due to religion".

You have no idea how stupid posting this make you, do you?
Thanks for reposting it :)
Ooh name calling, got nothin' huh?
Don't feel bad, I'm sure you can find another public toilet wall to plagiarise from.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196337 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>So like Hitler, you were a Christian but not anymore.

I love sauerkraut, specially on hot dogs.
He was only excommunicated from the church after his death and was a christian right up to the point where he put his pistol in his mouth, said "god forgive me" and blew the back of his head.

You'd know this if you knew your stuff and could read the minds of dead despots.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196338 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I never said Stalin represents all of atheism.

Fred Phelps only represents himself and his church.

Fred Phelps and his church are not all of Christianity.

In fact, most Christians would like to see him at the end of a noose.
Typical christian thinking, wishing people dead. It doesn't have to be that way.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196339 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Too subtle?
You're about as subtle as a flaming bag of dogshit.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196340 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Why does Topix bother with the "<quoted text>" in a reply? Seems redundant.
Aw. Does it restrain your word salad inventions? Poor redneck.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196341 Dec 26, 2013
Jim wrote:
Religious trolls have epically failed on the Atheism forum this christmas.
LOL Yeah but they provided much amusement.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196342 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm glad you understand it's a metaphor. But a sword does not simply imply power and a threat, they also symbolize protection, courage, strength, action, unity, justice and leadership.
There's the problem with writing in metaphor instead of plain language. People that want to read the words as a threat will.People that want to read them as a symbol of protection will do that. I prefer plain speaking.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Once again, I say that you don't understand me at all. If I kill, the highest moral authority in my life would never forgive me. Can you guess who or what that is? I'll bet Buck can.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Self? Ego?
Self, yes, but not ego. Superego - conscience.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Islam is worse than Christianity, but not in my world. That matters. I also don't spend as much energy writing about malaria as I do about AIDS, and for the same reason. Likewise with female circumcision, which also gets little of my attention. And Democrats and Republicans get a lot fewer words as well since my relocation to Mexico.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh, I thought you cared about humanity, what with being a humanist and all. I guess you only care about your immediate world and fuck everything else.
Are you offended that I care more about the problems where I am than the ones where I am not?
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196343 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Make up your damn mind.
Shhh.. The idiot with no evidence of god is trying to talk again..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196344 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
The question is whether there is a causal connection between Darwinian theory and Hitler's atrocities. I'll go ahead and give away the ending - the answer is yes.
What if there were? What do you recommend that we should think or do differently after we know that than we thought or did before?

I get the distinct feeling this argument is intended to discredit Darwin in order to diminish the respect for his theory and bolster respect for any alternative.

The Stalin stuff seems grounded in a similar strategy. If you can tie Stalin to secular humanism through atheism, you might expect to weaken the public perception of atheism and humanism, and bolster its alternative - theism - as a consequence.

That is why I asked you to be explicit about what you would have others think or do differently if they accept your claims that Stalin killed for atheism - a question that I don't recall seeing an answer to - and why I ask you the same thing now about the possibility that Hitler's ideas might be related to Darwin's.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196345 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely not. I think that's great. For you.
<quoted text>
No I'm not. If a reverse Hitler were to pop up in politics today and offered (threatened) to make America a theocracy and enforce Christian law on the land, I would not follow him nor would I support him. I doubt many Christians would, just the fanatics.
You're already a little hitler - you support hatred of homosexuals, womans right to choose and you deny scientific fact of evolution.

3 ingredients for psychopathy.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196346 Dec 27, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> wow. Why don't atheists and their bifurcated atheist/agnostic bretheren acknowledge that there is a soul and a spirit?
We also won't acknowledge the ether or phlogiston.

The only reason that the culture has been allowed to abandoned those hypotheses without a fight is that they are not essential to Christianity doctrine.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#196347 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
There's the problem with writing in metaphor instead of plain language.....
According to most Jewish theologians, the entire TaNaKh is metaphor. Even Jesus, according to the NT, said he spoke in metaphors (AKA parables). Jesus also said that most people were too stupid to understand them.

Just another case of Christians calling Jesus a liar.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196348 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Some atheists believe in spirituality, luck, emotions, dreams, even aliens. All without any evidence.
There is pretty good evidence for emotions and dreams. Spirituality is another mental state that you only need experience to believe occurs.

Luck is just a word applied in anticipation of or after the fact for statistical deviations from the expected, whether they be deemed good luck or bad. That makes feeling lucky or unlucky a mental state as well. Llke goodness, evil, and morals, luck has no extramental correlate.

Aliens should not be believed in - nothing should - although one can and probably should believe that they exist somewhere. Believing and believing in are different things. The first is partial knowledge based on interpreting suggestive but inconclusive evidence, and the second on faith. The evidence suggests that life will exist wherever it can, and that there are billions of billions of rocky moons and planets for it to potentially exist.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#196349 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
There is pretty good evidence for emotions and dreams. Spirituality is another mental state that you only need experience to believe occurs.
Luck is just a word applied in anticipation of or after the fact for statistical deviations from the expected, whether they be deemed good luck or bad. That makes feeling lucky or unlucky a mental state as well. Llke goodness, evil, and morals, luck has no extramental correlate.
Aliens should not be believed in - nothing should - although one can and probably should believe that they exist somewhere. Believing and believing in are different things. The first is partial knowledge based on interpreting suggestive but inconclusive evidence, and the second on faith. The evidence suggests that life will exist wherever it can, and that there are billions of billions of rocky moons and planets for it to potentially exist.
You are forgetting that most theists are incapable of understanding the difference between "believing" and "knowing". In their mind "believing in" makes things come into existence.

It is often referred to as 'The "Tinkerbell Jesus" Theology'.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196352 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
OMG the begats are boring. But when studied, their importance and relevance is revealed. They show the lineage of Jesus as prophesied in Genesis, Isaiah and Jeremiah.
The begats are also the way that the age of the earth was dated by the Creationist Ussher.

Here's an interesting question about the genealogies in Matthew and Luke, which happen to differ - not my point now. Why are they almost exclusively men? Let's look at Luke, which enumerates 32 generations from David to Jesus through his stepfather Joseph. They're all men. Do you know how unlikely that is? About 1 in 2^32, which is 2x2x2 ... x2x2 (32 times), or 4,294,967,296 - or about 1 in 4.3 billion.

Do you see why that is? If you went back 32 generations in your own history, you would find 4.3 billion names at the top (it would actually be fewer, since undoubtedly, some people would appear more than once according to how much consanguinity there is in your lineage)

Maybe you or others don't see why immediately. Let's explore. Please bear with me in a slightly tedious exercise:

Note that one of you ancestors is your father's mother's father's mother's ... father's mother (FMFM...FM), Another is your mother's father's mother's father's ... mother's father's mother's father (MFMF...MF).

Another is your father's father's mother's mother's father's father's mother's mother's ... father's father's mother's mother (FFMMFFMM...FFMM), and yet another is your mother's mother's father's father's ... mother's mother's father's father (MMFFMMFF..,MMFF).

Another is your father's father's mother's father's father's mother's ... father's father's mother (FFMFFM...FFM), and another the inverse pattern of that: your mother's mother's father's mother's mother's father's ... mother's mother's father (MMFMMF...MMF).

Only on person is your father's father's father's father's ... father's father (FFFF...FF), just as one is your mother's mother's mother's mother's ... mother's mother (MMMM...MM).

There are about 4.3 billion patterns of 32-character long strings of F and M possible, and somebody fills every one of those positions, the point being that a 32 generation lineage starting with any but one of your millions or billions of 32 generations past ancestors ought to have women in it.

The fact that Joseph's connection to David is all men makes it look made up.

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