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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

Terra Australis

#195339 Dec 23, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> That's not rape, it is more along the line of an arranged marriage where the female is elevated from slave to wife. She has a thirty day period to morn. These are non Hebrew POW females. If things do not work out she is free. That is through verse 14. That is the problem with your interpretation. You do not look at the whole picture and you ignore historical context. You take a couple verses and ignore everything else. Under that method one can take the Bible and use it to justify anything and they have. But the misuse of a thing does not invalidate its legitimate use. But you are obviously not interested in the proper use of Scripture. You are a hopeless Biblical illiterate who cannot even answer the easiest of questions. You commit anachronistic fallacy.
''Definition: Judging one time period by the standards, mores, truths, or customs of another time, or analyzing a time period as if later customs, information, or standards were known at that time.''
I think your mind is just to poisoned to actually learn anything. You insist on your errors. Its a learning disability.
<quoted text>
.. Lightbeamer is correct, the god of the Old Testament is culturally conditioned ..
.. your patriarchical desert god elevated women from slave status to Mrs. Slave Status according to societal standards of the era. We understand that rape was acceptable under certain conditions and your god simply established a few merciful rules for the game. Trust me, we get it ..
.. all gods are cultural constricts. Always ..
The ancient Hebrews made their god in their own image.

“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

Terra Australis

#195340 Dec 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
None of us appears to be moved by your argument. I agree with the blogger.
Why can't you find evidence to support your claim that atheism is a dangerous and murderous doctrine from that atheist blogger, or this one (me)? You keep returning to Soviet Communism, which really doesn't depend on atheism at all. Marx, Lenin and Stalin could have all been devout Christian promoting Christianity and if nothing else was different about them, there would have been just as many murders. Atheism has as little to do with the murderous aspects of Soviet Communism as the Russian language, They are both just incidental features of it.
They killed because of that Communism, that's my point.

“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

Terra Australis

#195341 Dec 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Nope. They were also psychopatic ideologues.
If you had a legitimate criticism of atheism, you and the rest of Christiandom would have made it by now. All we hear from theists is criticism of murderous totalitarian regimes that have nothing to do with us, and the unflattering and inaccurate descriptions of atheists that your destructive, divisive, and dishonest church spreads - things such as that we have no morals, no sense of purpose, believe nothing, hate your god, etc..
That is the church's legacy, and why so many of us see it as a destructive force..
We had a prime minister who is an atheist, Julia Gillard.
http://primeministers.naa.gov.au/primeministe...

Under her rule nobody was sent to labor camps, just for criticising her of her policies. And there were plenty of dirty jokes about her in the media. That's democracy.

“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

Terra Australis

#195342 Dec 23, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, let's cut to the chase.
What's the fundamental difference between your belief in your Deity and a child's belief in pixies?
The only difference I can see, is that the child's belief in pixies gives them a lot of pleasure. Religion is misery, IMO and experience.

“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

Terra Australis

#195343 Dec 23, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
Well, Merry christmas, to all the atheists, christians, muslims, gnostics, agnostics, satanists, new agers, hare krishnas, doctors, lawyers, teachers, laborers, professionals, animal lovers, Australians, blokes, rednecks, tree trimmers, grave diggers, 1'st team offensive gaurds, transexuals, asexuals, trisexuals, security gaurds, truckdrivers and one legged chinese atheist lesbians on this thread!!
;o)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Jlf---13Q0gXX
And a very Merry Yuletide to you.
:D

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#195344 Dec 23, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
The ancient Hebrews made their god in their own image.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#195345 Dec 23, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
Well, Merry christmas, to all the atheists, christians, muslims, gnostics, agnostics, satanists, new agers, hare krishnas, doctors, lawyers, teachers, laborers, professionals, animal lovers, Australians, blokes, rednecks, tree trimmers, grave diggers, 1'st team offensive gaurds, transexuals, asexuals, trisexuals, security gaurds, truckdrivers and one legged chinese atheist lesbians on this thread!!
;o)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Jlf---13Q0gXX
Merry Christmas to Charley Brown and all the gang!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#195346 Dec 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Jesus Christ, it is cold outside!! I gotta quit smoking. I try to imagine how Amerindians dealt with their nicotine habit. How much tobacco they put away for winter. The pain and angst when they ran out and there were no convenience stores open.
How their children got hooked on the stuff. Those long cold winters cooped up with no tobacco. Ugh.
Yet you demean pot smokers.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#195347 Dec 23, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
And a very Merry Yuletide to you.
:D
It's called "Christmas" now.

In case you were wondering....

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#195348 Dec 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
First, atheism is not unbelief. Second, these facts cited establish the link between atheism and Russian genocide. Hope this is helpful.
Buck Crick wrote:
You don't see the link between atheist presecution and atheist murder. How 'bout the link between atheist murder and atheist murder? And you want me to believe all atheist dictators are psychopaths. Vox Day:*There have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … more than half have engaged in acts of mass murder of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …**The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.**The historical record of killing by collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition*.*There is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules...**The average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them.*
Buck Crick wrote:
Are you selling beachfront property? Stalin and Lenin committed mass murder to promote atheism. Communism relies on atheism, and sees god-belief as an intoxicant that kept the working class down. To promote communism is to promote atheism. For a communist regime to kill for communism is to kill for atheism. It's settled history, as my examples illustrate.
You've said all of this already. Please refer to any of my half dozen or more posts where I rebutted it already.
Toby

Portland, OR

#195349 Dec 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
People that jump out of airplanes at 5,000 feet don’t need parachutes either.
Just those who want to be saved do.
Happy landing.
So God threw mankind out of a plane at 5,000 feet because of his pessimism concerning an allegorical story of Adam and Eve, a talking snake and original sin?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#195350 Dec 23, 2013
Pat Condell: "there's every reason to actively disrespect [religion] to the point of outright abuse."
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ya, that pretty much sums up the Topix Atheist! So much for the love and intolerance of your precious secular humanism.
[1] He's not a Topix atheist

[2] Neither he nor I have any love for religion.

[3] We do tolerate religion.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#195351 Dec 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Jesus Christ, it is cold outside!!
I gotta quit smoking.
I try to imagine how Amerindians dealt with their nicotine habit. How much tobacco they put away for winter. The pain and angst when they ran out and there were no convenience stores open.
How their children got hooked on the stuff.
Those long cold winters cooped up with no tobacco.
Ugh.
Not the guy who became religious due to brain damage from a car accident again.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#195352 Dec 23, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43362...
http://humblesmith.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/a...
Here we have a man who is honest enough to recognize that Christians have some intelligent answers, even if he does not appear moved by them. At the very least, he does not fall into the trap of ad hominem arguments, which seem to be all too prevalent from modern atheists. He also recognizes that the new atheists are largely simplistic in their arguments against Christians.
In criticism of Christians, I find it especially interesting that an atheist is conversant with the aseity of God, the concept of being (latin: esse) and Thomas Aquinas’ position of God’s essence is His existence, a very important set of doctrines that I would guess large numbers of modern pastors never learned.
Such bottomless bullsh*t from religious liars with no evidence of god. Since recorded time itself.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#195353 Dec 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Pat Condell: "there's every reason to actively disrespect [religion] to the point of outright abuse."
<quoted text>
[1] He's not a Topix atheist
[2] Neither he nor I have any love for religion.
[3] We do tolerate religion.
Yes, but you think you have every reason to disrespect and abuse people of religion.

Secular humanism at its finest, no?

To disrespect and abuse people for thinking differently than you.

tsk, tsk, tsk.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#195354 Dec 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You've said all of this already. Please refer to any of my half dozen or more posts where I rebutted it already.
Buck still desperately busy trying to redefine Atheism according to Creationisim.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#195355 Dec 23, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
Let us take a look at the love and intolerance of your precious Christ-insanity!
JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me."
JESUS: Luke 14:26, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters  yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple."
JESUS: Matt. 10:34, NIV "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
GOD: Ex. 32:27 ("Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor")
Micah 1:12, "...evil came down from the Lord ...."
Thanks. I saved these as a packet for future reference.

Here's a gift in return of (there's more to the list if you want it).- assorted sources including
http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php...

THE PRICE OF CHRISTIANITY – THE HARM

Religious zealotry over the centuries has been directly responsible for countless deaths, imprisonments, needless suffering, torturings, and the oppression of people on grounds of sex, race, colour, sexuality or belief. A few obvious examples :

• The Crusades.

• The Inquisition.

• Witch trials in Europe and America.

• The Divine right of Kings (valid until killed by another Divinely-appointed King).

• Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, "heathen" religions and cultures.

• The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans ("They're devil-worshippers!"), the Romans demonizing Christians ("They're atheists and cannibals!").

• Persecution of Heretics - e.g. Galileo for daring to suggest that the Earth orbits the Sun.

• Children dying because their parents refused them medical treatment on religious grounds; relying
instead on faith-healers and prayer.

• Slavery, supposedly supported by scripture ("Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, just as you would obey Christ.", St.Paul, Ephesians 6:5)

• Holy wars - followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.

• The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.

• Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.

• Persecution/punishment of blasphemers (Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence on him), and blasphemy laws in general.

• The requirement of theism in order to stand for public office or to testify in court.

• Serial killers believing they are doing the work of Satan (or sometimes Jesus).

• Often-fatal exorcisms by priests believing they are destroying the work of Satan.

• People suffering dreadful injury or death in the belief that their faith has made them invulnerable (e.g. people climbing into lion enclosures at zoos, with a Bible as protection).

• Whole societies divided by minor differences in belief or doctrine, often resulting in violence.

• Mass suicides of cult-members following a charismatic leader who believes the world is about to End (most recently, the Heaven's Gate and Solar Temple cults - there will be more as we approach the year 2000).

• The attempted genocide of followers of a particular faith (e.g. the Jewish Holocaust, "ethnic cleansing" in former Yugoslavia).

• Blood sacrifices to appease the Gods, or to ensure a good harvest.(The Aztecs made daily human sacrifices to ensure that the Sun would rise. Or did they?)

• The practice of "female circumcision" (more accurately termed genital mutilation).

• The discouragement of rational, critical thought (resulting in young-earth creationists, for example).

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#195356 Dec 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet you demean pot smokers.
Pot smokers that are hooked on it. Or teenage habitual users.

Nicotine is physically addictive, pot is not.

If you have to smoke pot for 40 years you have a head problem.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#195357 Dec 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but you think you have every reason to disrespect and abuse people of religion.
Secular humanism at its finest, no?
To disrespect and abuse people for thinking differently than you.
tsk, tsk, tsk.
Religion will command respect, only after it produces REAL evidence in THIS WORLD. Not IN YOUR HEAD
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#195358 Dec 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Pot smokers that are hooked on it. Or teenage habitual users.
Nicotine is physically addictive, pot is not.
If you have to smoke pot for 40 years you have a head problem.
When you have evidence of the god you lie about, your opinions will matter more.

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