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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#192788 Dec 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's Christian disinformation that originated with a man named William Federer in a book entitled, "America's God and Country." From http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/montesquieu....
"According to Federer, the Jeremiah passage provides the motive for separated powers ... The problem with Federer's argument is that it is not true. Montesquieu develops his argument for separation of powers in Book XI of The Spirit of the Laws, and nowhere in this book does he reference Isaiah, Jeremiah, or any other book of the Bible. On the contrary, Montesquieu's examples in this section are all drawn from contemporary European and pre-Christian Roman and Germanic history. Nor can we find references to Isaiah and Jeremiah elsewhere in the book."
This is Christian (historical) revisionism, and you are serving as its vector uncritically. After a few years of exposure to this kind of thing, one comes to know the Christian's motivations and scholastic values, and just tunes them out.
Trying to give god beliefs credit for anything constructive will be difficult for you.
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You don't see privacy as a god given natural right then? You may be correct. It certainly isn't a biblical principle. Humanists fixed that - for awhile.
So the depravity of man and the resultant need for separation of powers is not a biblical principle?

No, you are wrong. I have not seen Federer's book, but I quickly found other sources referencing Montesquieu's use of biblical passages. And the Puritans and Calvinists who were prevalent during the founding era used it. That Jeremiah 17:9, or the Bible in general, was not of influence in separation of powers is preposterous.

On the specific point of whether Montesquieu expressed his idea as based on Jeremiah 17:9, I cannot prove it. So I retract it.

On the right to privacy, it is not a question of god-given rights. What was handed down is that it is a Constitutional Right - a right protected by the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution.

It is not.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#192789 Dec 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Ford do make a good chassis these days. I've rented a couple of Mondeos and Focuses (Focii?) and they stick whilst riding nearly as well as French family cars. I think the anti Ford snobbery is a bit of a shame.
But I'd never buy one myself. ;)
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I think it’s Focus’s, I don't think its foci because wouldn’t the singular then be foco.

Had quite a few fords in the past, the ubiquitous freddie the fester whilst at uni etc. The last I had was a Ka, used to for about a month before I got my 307 in France Other than that I’ve not really had much dealings with them in the last 15 years or so.

I wouldn’t buy one either, unless I had no real choice.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#192790 Dec 16, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Not really.
"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abraham Lincoln
"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulty."

Lincoln, inaugural address, March 4, 1861

RiversideRedneck

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#192791 Dec 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
You should stop selecting only those quotes that appear to support your views.
ha

teehee haha ha ha'

brrrrp hahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHA

BWAAAHHHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA AA!!!!!!!!

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#192792 Dec 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I was not there, but I imagine Bongo's first language was the same as yours:
Cries and grunts.
Like this: "waaaa,...waaaa,....grunt "
Later, you learned words.
And you said, " I wanna' suck!"
Word is you have gone back to that one many times.
Oh buck wtf is wrong with you? Do you ever learn? Are your children growing up and you are getting too frustrated?

Honey, you want to carry on this sort of abusive BS then feel free to carry on. You know how much it upsets you in the end.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#192793 Dec 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
So what?
He's looney tunes, that's what.
And remember the oxymoron: Justice Scalia.
You're looney tunes for not thinking Satan is real.

Let's hope you never get promoted to judge.

RiversideRedneck

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#192794 Dec 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I see it as a struggle to displace an attitude of Christian exceptionalism.
<quoted text>
It is a way of wishing somebody a happy holiday season without giving preference to Christianity. Refusing to homage to that religion has always been called an assault on it.
<quoted text>
But why the hostile reaction from you? Even if you were correct about those claims, he is not attacking you.
I know you don't say Happy Holidays for New Years Day.

I know it.

Happy Holidays is only for Christmas.

Cuz the Atheist! doesn't wanna admit that it's a Christian holy day...

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#192796 Dec 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No, because intelligent design is a fabrication.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#192797 Dec 16, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Where is your sense of humor? Can we agree that topix atheists have failed to adequately support their supposition that there is no diety?
Where is your sense of humor? Can we agree that topix godbots have failed to adequately support their supposition that there is a deity?

Never mind topix, how about 4000+ years or even 8000+ years to the first recorded documented imaginings of “doh I dun no so it mus be my god wot dun it”

However from the atheist point of view we can aslws enlist the support of E=MC^2 proving that the god of revelation 19:6 cannot exist in this universe. That’s support enough for me.
Jim

UK

#192798 Dec 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're looney tunes for not thinking Satan is real.
Let's hope you never get promoted to judge.
No evidence for Satan, you keep forgetting that your delusions do no affect atheists.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#192799 Dec 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Do you and Gym have two copies of that book, or do you share the same one?
Is that where you learned that Pythagoras used a triangle to disprove God?
Bwahahahahahahahahahah....grun t
You need to see you doctor about increasing the dose of your Olanzapine

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#192800 Dec 16, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>To paraphrase Jeremy from "Top Gear" - the REAL "Top Gear" - "American cars are designed on the assumption that roads don't have curves".
Clarkeson is a condescending bigot but in this case he is absolutely spot on
Jim

UK

#192801 Dec 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Everyone knows intelligent design isn't an opinion, its simple fraud and religious propoganda.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#192802 Dec 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I’ve driven a few (one in the US, a couple in the UK (one on a track)). In the US it was good (rather plasticy but enjoyable). The whole problem in Europe is that that European roads and American cars just do not mix.
Example.
Close to where I live is the M6 motorway, to the north the M55 merges into it. Travelling along the M55 and heading to the M6 south there is a bend limited to 50MPH. The limit was set way back in the 60s when the motorway was built and suspension was 1960s. With improvements in suspension, most cars can now take this bend at 70MPH or even higher (watching out for speed cameras of course). I mention this bend because during my driving life I have seen several cars (8 all told) buried in the embankment. 3 (that’s almost 33%) were American cars. Not so many you say until you realise that less than 1% of cars on British roads are American.
American cars were built with muscle because of the distances, but a very large part was for accelerating on entrances to highways. If you have driven on some of those old Texas highways with very little distance to accelerate you will understand the importance of that. You want to hit that main road up to speed. You still run across that on some interstates. That extra size and weight also helped when you had an accident. But you then had the momentum issue.

Toss in the very long grades we can have over here, the mountains in between here and there, and the desire for traffic to flow smoothly.

That bend needs a steeper angle, and evidently Englishmen need the mind to handle the muscle.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#192803 Dec 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Where is your sense of humor? Can we agree that topix godbots have failed to adequately support their supposition that there is a deity?
Never mind topix, how about 4000+ years or even 8000+ years to the first recorded documented imaginings of “doh I dun no so it mus be my god wot dun it”
However from the atheist point of view we can aslws enlist the support of E=MC^2 proving that the god of revelation 19:6 cannot exist in this universe. That’s support enough for me.
ChristineM wrote:
However from the atheist point of view we can aslws enlist the support of E=MC^2 proving that the god of revelation 19:6 cannot exist in this universe. That’s support enough for me.
HA HA!!

I haven't heard that in a few days.

Thanks for the chuckle.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#192804 Dec 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Clarkeson is a condescending bigot but in this case he is absolutely spot on
I'm *nearly* sure that that's just schtick.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#192805 Dec 16, 2013
Jim wrote:
No evidence for Satan, you keep forgetting that your delusions do no affect atheists.
To what delusion are you referring?

The one where you believe Satan is a delusion?

You keep forgetting that your beliefs don't affect theists.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#192806 Dec 16, 2013
Jim wrote:
Everyone knows intelligent design isn't an opinion, its simple fraud and religious propoganda.
Righteeo.

So the automobile was unintelligently designed, because intelligent design isn't real.

Really?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#192808 Dec 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your comment implied that if rights come from men, they can enslave and commit genocide.
lightbeamrider wrote:
No imply about it. It is the natural consequences of your assumptions.
You seem to imply that your bible based version somehow does a better job. It doesn't. It does a worse job. People of good conscience acting without the burden of ancient superstitions seem to do better.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Genocide as far as Joshua. Why the genocide? What were the circumstances? That is what you ignore. Selective in your alleged facts. Distort Scripture. That is all you can do. Copy paste from hostile websites who lie.
As I said, your faith causes you to post some obscene things. When is genocide ever appropriate?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#192809 Dec 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
The response that logically follows your first comment and mine is, "if rights come from a god, men can STILL enslave and commit genocide"
lightbeamrider wrote:
Not without consequences. If they escape human justice they are still held accountable.
So you say. You have no way of knowing if that is true.
lightbeamrider wrote:
They also put their children in jeopardy. To abuse others is to put your own offspring in jeopardy.
Visiting the sins of the father onto the children? That's a primitive idea, like substitutional atonement by blood.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Regarding accountability, how does that help me? Where's the justice if I am the victim of slavery or killed by a genocidal maniac, and the perp is punished with hell or anything else?
lightbeamrider wrote:
You are not a slave but if you are a victim then the perp will be held accountable. People want justice especially if they or loved ones are victims of some sort of crime. That is he whole basis of the justice system.
There is no justice possible if a wrong cannot be righted. If you do something that costs me a window or a car, justice is replacing them for me. If you take away my freedom or my life unjustly, no justice is possible, Revenge is not justice.

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