Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190568 Dec 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a man of your advanced years using words like "dissing".
Your comfort level is not a factor in my posting.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190569 Dec 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I have railed against pot smoking and its effects on youth and immature minds.
Nope. You were not that specific in most of your posts. You used the term "druggies."
Dave Nelson wrote:
Your pot smoking has affected you so much you can't see the difference. You must have started young.
Have another cigarette.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190570 Dec 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's the day the world celebrates the birth of Jesus.
Most people celebrating Christmas aren't thinking about Jesus at all. They're thinking about presents, reindeer, trees, tinsel and turkey dinner.

I think you just changed your definition of celebrate. When we were discussion Saturnalia, you seemed to imply that to celebrate something, you had to acknowledge what it was that you were celebrating. Now it seems that you mean that having a ritual is enough, whatever your thoughts are.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190571 Dec 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
They care about somebody promising to take something from another and give it to them.
Have you seen the American budget - where the money goes? How much of it is money going to somebody that didn't work for it or is undeserving of it? You seem to imply that that is most of what the government is doing.

What the American people mostly get is somebody taking their money and giving it to foreign banks or the Pentagon.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190572 Dec 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Some chain stores instructed employees not to say "Merry Christmas".
And no doubt some have instructed their employees to do the opposite. Isn't that their prerogative? Shouldn't they have the policy that they feel reflects their own or their customers' preferences?
Buck Crick wrote:
Certain municipalities outlawed public displays with the words "Merry Christmas".
On private property? unlikely. Let whoever wants to wish the public a Merry Christmas do it on their own nickel on their own property, not tax dollars. That makes it clear who is wishing them a Merry Christmas.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190573 Dec 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If you think that authentic spirituality has anything to do with the supernatural or superstitions, then you can't define it. You have no idea what it is.
Buck Crick wrote:
I think the root word "spirit" gives a good clue to what it is.
The root word is not spirit. Spirit is derivative.

from Latin spiritus "a breathing" ... related to spirare "to breathe"

The spiritual experience can certainly be breathtaking - "inspiring" if you will. But it has nothing to do with ghostlike spirits or the so-called spirit world. That would be spiritualism.

Nor is spirituality related to alcoholic spirits, team spirit, the religious concept of the soul, the secular concept of the life force, nor the spirit of the times.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#190574 Dec 8, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Damn, that brings back memories. Although on our side of the Irish Pond, we usually left off the Pope bit. And the King bit.
Lol, mac!

These days most people don't know past the first few lines.

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Fennario

#190575 Dec 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your view on prosecuting the marketers and purveyors of illicit drugs? Let's say the manufactured type, heroin, cocaine, meth, ecstasy, etc.
I'm divided on it. The libertarian in me says that all illicit drugs should be decriminalized. I'd like to put that to the test and see how it works before I give it my firm endorsement. If the carnage is minimal, I'd prefer it to this cruel, unjust, and devastating War on Drugs, which probably causes much more damage than a more permissive policy.

I am considering alcohol prohibition as its subsequent reversal now. The damage done by prohibition far outweighed the damage done by whatever little alcoholism it prevented.

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Fennario

#190576 Dec 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
According to the Topix Atheist! handbook
You're the one with the book.

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Fennario

#190577 Dec 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
For me and a lot of other people, Christmas isn't much different in terms of significance from Halloween or Thanksgiving.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Uh-huh.... I highly doubt that you say Happy Holidays for either Thanksgiving or Halloween. I'll bet you don't for New Years, either.
Was this a rebuttal? If so, of what?

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Fennario

#190578 Dec 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Define how heroin, cocaine, LSD, and ecstasy became a product in demand before their being marketed.
What marketing? It's all word of mouth from user to interested nonuser.

Illicit drugs aren't pushed by vendors. They're pulled by consumers. People have to ask other people who and where to go to to get the drugs.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190579 Dec 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
We don't fight Christmas. We fight the Christian church trying to encroach on our lives, and of Christians trying to monopolize the winter solstice celebrations.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ya, all those evil nativity scenes and religious Christmas songs screw up your taxes every year, huh?
Another great argument from you.

It's probably best for you that you rebut these cartoonish straw men of yours rather than the actual arguments.

It's pretty good for your opposition, too.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#190580 Dec 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Buck Crick wrote, "I think the root word "spirit" gives a good clue to what it is."

The root word is not spirit. Spirit is derivative.

from Latin spiritus "a breathing" ... related to spirare "to breathe"

The spiritual experience can certainly be breathtaking - "inspiring" if you will. But it has nothing to do with ghostlike spirits or the so-called spirit world. That would be spiritualism.

Nor is spirituality related to alcoholic spirits, team spirit, the religious concept of the soul, the secular concept of the life force, nor the spirit of the times.
Breath.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#190581 Dec 8, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, mac!
These days most people don't know past the first few lines.
Hehehe.

Good excuse for a party and a bonfire.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190582 Dec 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I didn't see that part. How is that even possible? I found this, which agrees with you. "Journal of the American Medical Association put a dent in the arguments against Marijuana smoking today, with release of a new report showing casual pot smokers might even have stronger lungs than non smokers." Casual pot smokers.... Not habitual or chronic.

I also found this: "Long-term users often experience lowered motivation, and some can experience anxiety, panic attacks, respiratory illnesses, and increased heart rate and risk of heart attack. When withdrawing from the drug, chronic users typically experience irritability, sleeplessness, anxiety, impaired appetite, and aggression. Chronic marijuana use can lead to addiction. In fact, marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug in the United States, and more teens are in treatment with a primary diagnosis of marijuana dependence than for all other illegal drugs combined. Various treatment options, including cognitive-behavioral therapy, medication to treat withdrawal, and motivational incentives are available, and treatment for marijuana addiction is highly effective."

Thoughts?
Good research (by you). That's more like it.

As for the research you cited, I'm not sure how good it is.

Lung function can be measured, and the claims about it reproduced, so I accept those findings.

I can't account for smoking pot improving lung function. It's highly counterintuitive. The findings seem to suggest that smoking is actually good for you, but that tar and nicotine counter those effects when it is tobacco that is smoked.

Or maybe it's not smoking per se that is salubrious, but something in the marijuana, although that seems unlikely as well.

The article you quoted < http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/2401... > didn't define causal, nor did it compare the lung functions of what it called casual and chronic smokers. I have enjoyed smoking pot most days of my life for over four decades, and my pulmonary functions, "are at or above average for my age and gender"
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Incidentally, that post and the tests I did on myself antedate this research. I was quite surprised by them myself, and didn't expect to be believed when I posted those results.

==========

I don't accept the part about marijuana dependence. I have frequently gone a week or longer without pot - every time I travel or move to a new location - and there simply is no drug dependence. I experience no symptoms of withdrawal - no, "irritability, sleeplessness, anxiety, impaired appetite,[or] aggression."

There is a huge industry dedicated to idea that marijuana use is a problem that needs rehabilitation, just as there is one for homosexuality. I see them as similar in their motivation and their scientific foundations.

In the end, what we have are two bodies of literature: science that consistently shows benefits to pot smoking, some of which I have previously shared with you < http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... >, and nonscientific pieces that assume that pot smoking is dangerous. We see evidence of both in your post above.

Incidentally, the nonscientific part of your post that I rejected came from one of those treatment centers I was referring to:
http://www.caron.org/knowledge-library/addict...

That's why linking to your source is important. You need to know the motivations. JAMA's agenda is to further the knowledge of medical issues. Caron Treatment Centers has a different agenda.

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Fennario

#190583 Dec 8, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
Breath.
Yep, as in inspiration, expiration, and respiration.

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Fennario

#190584 Dec 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Huh? They have laced it with everything to sell it as kickass pot, read higher price, for decades.
"Huh?" is right.

All you offer are your opinions with no citations credible or otherwise to support them, and you don't come off as an impartial or knowledgeable source of information in this area.

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Fennario

#190585 Dec 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
We should be taking zero from the 1%. That's the point. Earn your fair share, the American way.
I wonder who promoted that idea to you.

How much do you think Bill Gates would have made if he had been born and educated in Cameroon? Forget that he would likely have be hypoliterate and had no access to computers. Suppose he overcame that, and then tried to develop and market his product in that infrastructure and economy? Do you still think that the American people are not entitled to even a percent of the profits from that success?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#190586 Dec 8, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
Here ye, Here ye, Here ye. In honor of the free speech you atheist are granted in these wonderful countries. You should do one of two deeds. 1. Migrate to an atheist ran country, such as North Korea, Russia, China, Cuba, or any other nation that bands religious speech and behavior or 2. Lobby for your ilk to have a Christian/Catholic appreciation day. Now proceed in your backwards babbling.
You are ridiculous.

Since: Dec 12

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#190587 Dec 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>You are ridiculous.
You are too kind. I like this thread though. More civilised.

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