Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187126 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are making my point, while missing it.
If pre-big bang consisted of "something", with energy and mass, then it was not "nothing", and the axiom is true, something does not come from nothing.
But then the something-from-nothing problem is moved one step: From what did the energy and mass come from?
I'll ride with ya, the energy and mass has always existed as outlined in the Hartle-hawking proposal.

The argument we were having was a philosophical one involving something and nothing. No argument can take place unless each party can produce an example of the subject matter.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187127 Nov 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Thanks for proving your religion is that of hateful scumbags.
The best evidence that Christianity is a POS is Christians themselves.
Having no religion, what is your excuse for being a hateful scumbag?

Is it because your name is BenAssFucked?
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187128 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
What a stupid assumption, of course the absence of evidence IS evidence for absence.

Something is either true of it isn't, either A is, or A isn't, it can't be both. There is ONLY ONE way of determining if A is, or A isn't, and thats science. There is no other methodology that can determine if something is true or not. The tool science uses is EVIDENCE, without evidence, scientific evidence to show that A is, then we KNOW that A isn't . So in FACT, the absence of evidence IS the evidence for absents.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187129 Nov 25, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'll ride with ya, the energy and mass has always existed as outlined in the Hartle-hawking proposal.
The argument we were having was a philosophical one involving something and nothing. No argument can take place unless each party can produce an example of the subject matter.
That is entirely false.

If the subject matter has no example, it can be better argued that something cannot come from the subject than it can be argued that something can.

Your argument requires the instance of something coming from the subject.

Mine does not.

"Something cannot come from nothing" is true, if "nothing" exists, or if "nothing" does not exist.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187130 Nov 25, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'll ride with ya, the energy and mass has always existed as outlined in the Hartle-hawking proposal.
What produced the energy and mass, and when did it produce it?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187131 Nov 25, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Theres a difference, you abused the grace. Then he told this parable:‘A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, "For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?" "Sir," the man replied, "leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down."’" Luke 13:6-9
I'm not talking about Jesus' grace.

I'm talking about the grace the assholes who claim it failed to show - once.

They liked me when I put money in the plate, or hauled people to church.

When I needed grace, I was less than a total stranger to them.

They stepped on each other lining up to cast the first stone.

You can have 'em.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187132 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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True, if you are an agnostic.
False, if you are taking the atheist position.
"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not".-(Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism incurs the exact same burden of proof as theism.
Atheism make no positive claim, it is a rejection of a positive claim. All positive claims shoulder the burden of proof. Hang whatever name you please on a position that rejects a positive claim, the person making the assertion must provide proof. Saying that a rejection of a claim required proof is the fallacy of appealing to ignorance.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#187133 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's contested because everybody feels emotions while not everybody feels God.
Emotions cannot be proven with today's science even though they are very real.
Imagine that.
Don't be stupid. Of course emotions can be measured and analyzed by science.

Why don't you stop overreaching your knowledge?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187134 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Emotions haven't been.........proven yet
<quoted text>
So does God.
Without proof.
Imagine that.
Don't be stupid NOTHING exists without proof!!!

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#187135 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You wouldn't know a joke if it slapped you in the butthole.
You seem laughless and lifeless.
You seem to know a lot about being slapped in the butthole, Is it something you do professionally?
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187136 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's the worst dodge I've seen yet.
Trying to get around the beginning of the universe by saying it never began.
Infinitely finite.
That's great. The universe both exists and doesn't exist, then exists.
That's great.
I sure wish I was that smart.
Try studying with Professor Hawking!!!
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#187137 Nov 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You must be christian to consider violence so funny.
Self righteous sentence by a self appointed judge?

A judge that embraces bigotry as a acceptable practice?

Cuddling hypocrisy to the highest order?

Who unfairly judges a entire class of people because they choose religious freedom?

To the high class self appointee with vanity and arrogance. Your judgment has no jurisdiction except in the small dark and cold recess of your mind.

[smiling][tipping hat]

LAUS DEO

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#187138 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"We"?!
LMAO!
As in "We Topix atheists"....
Good luck to ya!
But hey, what empirical evidence do you have for God?
You'll need it to test your hypothesis....
What have you been smoking? There is no evidence of any sort for a god. What we,? The “we” in quotes was a quote and copied from my previous post that had a citation link to the quote

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#187139 Nov 25, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I don’t blame God.
That’s a party line you Atheist hold.
[tipping hat]
What god to blame? How can atheist blame a god, perhaps you need to look up the meaning of the word.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187140 Nov 25, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. and, I agree with you; we all understand your analogy ..
You understand?

That's a first, for me.
P.S. You forgot to answer my question:
.. IAN has put forth an interesting topic well worth debating. Why do you think humans have a god need or seek the spiritual? Does your faith provide a solution to the cosmic mystery ??..
I think humans have an innate desire to find the unfindable, I think it's just a part of our nature - just as much as it's our nature to procreate. I think people want to be connected to a greater good, a good that humans cannot be, "as good as God".

I think we're created in God's image, but we are a ruined version of Him.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#187141 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Having no religion, what is your excuse for being a hateful scumbag?
Is it because your name is BenAssFucked?
Thank you for proving what a disgusting Christian pig you are.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#187142 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I'm not talking about Jesus' grace.
I'm talking about the grace the assholes who claim it failed to show - once.
They liked me when I put money in the plate, or hauled people to church.
When I needed grace, I was less than a total stranger to them.
They stepped on each other lining up to cast the first stone.
You can have 'em.
well, alrighty
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187143 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That is entirely false.
If the subject matter has no example, it can be better argued that something cannot come from the subject than it can be argued that something can.
Your argument requires the instance of something coming from the subject.
Mine does not.
"Something cannot come from nothing" is true, if "nothing" exists, or if "nothing" does not exist.
And around and around we go. How can you prove that something cannot come from nothing is you have NO example of nothing? You can't use the definition reddick tried to use, "Nothing is the absence of anything." Anything that we are aware of certainly, but doesn't take into consideration things we are NOT aware of.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#187144 Nov 25, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Why don't you stop overreaching your knowledge?
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
.. ya, I know ..

.. hi ya HFY. I missed you ..

<< placing welcome mat at door >>

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#187145 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I'm not talking about Jesus' grace.....
I thought you weren't a Christian ?

You sure do sound like one.

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