I'll ride with ya, the energy and mass has always existed as outlined in the Hartle-hawking proposal.<quoted text>
You are making my point, while missing it.
If pre-big bang consisted of "something", with energy and mass, then it was not "nothing", and the axiom is true, something does not come from nothing.
But then the something-from-nothing problem is moved one step: From what did the energy and mass come from?
The argument we were having was a philosophical one involving something and nothing. No argument can take place unless each party can produce an example of the subject matter.