Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#187052 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You left of the subtitle.
I'm a little short this week.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#187053 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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4-year comparison, Bush and Obama
Bush Deficits:
FY 2008:$458 billion
FY 2007:$161 billion
FY 2006:$248 billion
FY 2005:$318 billion
Total:$1.185 trillion
Obama Deficits:
FY 2012:$1,087 billion
FY 2011:$1,300 billion
FY 2010:$1,294 billion Bush Deficits
FY 2009:$1,413 billion
Total:$5.09 trillion
Obama debt added = 4.3X Bush, or 430% higher over 4 years.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbudgetpr...
No wonder I'm a bit short.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187054 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Genius, huh?
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I'm just gonna leave it at that.
You show your ignorance every chance you get.
Let's hang out. We can get drunk and go shooting.
Nope more like hypocritical

Like all the religious do… well done

I have a better idea, lets not, I don’t trust you with a gun and definitely would not trust you pIssed.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187055 Nov 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So a 3 year council that actually changed nothing in religious doctrine but has arguably changed how some people administer religion
That is not changing religion
Me thinks you are projecting on the ‘s’ word
Nice try. You are caught.

The Second Vatican Council:

Changed Indulgences
Changed Blessings
Changed Calendar
New Canon Law
New Catechism
New Educational System
Religious Order Changes
Roman Curia Reorganized
Overthrow of Rules in Religious Life
Abolition of the Index of Forbidden Books (Index Librorum Prohibitorum)
Discarding of Symbols (papal chair, tiara, etc.)
Less Focus on the Blessed Virgin Mary
Less Focus on Saints
Changed Artwork
Removal & Destruction of Existing Priceless Works of Art
Changed Music
Changed Breviary
Changed Rosary - Note: Click here for more on this topic
Changed Prayers
Changed Orientation of Priests (e.g. "from spiritual to psychiatric", "from theological to psychological")
Changed Catechesis - It is well known that some popular catechesis actually is contrary to the perennial Catholic faith. Parents have even had to remove their children from 'Catholic' schools to protect them from false / dangerous teachings (including inappropriate sex education).
Adoption of Collegiality - This practice tends to weaken papal authority as well as the authority of individual bishops. As stated by Amerio "The weakening of a unifying papal authority began institutionally with the transfer in 1966 to local bishops of certain faculties previously reserved to the Holy See... The bishops' law-making power was subsequently further enlarged, with a corresponding contraction of Roman jurisdiction, and received a definitive status in the new Code of Canon Law". Also, with collegiality, bishops are said to "actually suffer a loss of control" since they may tend to relinquish their authority to local or national councils.
Increased Reliance on Lay 'Experts'
Increased Conformity to the World
Use of 'Medicine of Mercy' Rather Than Authority / Correction
Apparent Shift in Emphasis from Truth to Liberty - Contrary to the long-standing custom of fighting heresy, it now seems as though heresy is "no big deal"
Apparent Forgetfulness of the Church's True Mission of Saving Sinners From Hell
Apparent Shift from Truth to Subjectivism
Apparent Exchange of "Certainty of Truth" for "Seeking of Truth"
"Focusing on Unity at the Expense of Truth"
Dropped Liturgical Seasons (e.g. Septuagesima)
Elimination of Ember Days
Elimination of Rogation Days ("which date from at least the 400's -500's - and which the saints participated in")
Reduction / Elimination of Octaves and Vigils
Changing of Friday Abstinence Regulations
Elimination of Preparatory Period Before Lent
Relaxation of Penance in Lent - "The observance of Lent is the very badge of Christian warfare. By it we prove ourselves not to be enemies of the cross of Christ. By it we avert the scourges of divine justice. By it we gain strength against the princes of darkness, for it shields us with heavenly help. Should mankind grow remiss in their observance of Lent, it would be a detriment

etc....

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#187056 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>You are making my point, while missing it.

If pre-big bang consisted of "something", with energy and mass, then it was not "nothing", and the axiom is true, something does not come from nothing.

But then the something-from-nothing problem is moved one step: From what did the energy and mass come from?
Is your creator/designer-whatever you want to call it-something?

Or nothing.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187057 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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E=MC^2 disproves god.
That is devastating.
Tell me, you poor ignorant bat.
How come the best theoretical physicists say that you are dead wrong?
They study things like energy and mass.
You can barely copy the equation.
Yet you "know".
Lesson to your readers:
Believe nothing you say, since you are dogshit stupid.
Yes devastating, if only you’d grow the balls to admit the fact

No they don’t, you are lying but it’s only you so no more than we expect. Unless of course you can provide a citation to any “best theoretical” physicist who makes such a claim. Still waiting for your response from the first time you came out with that BS a couple of years ago… still waiting. Please also be aware that I have on occasion been known to socialise and dine with “best theoretical physicists” who have made no such claim.

You proved in you previous post to me who is the sh|t stupid one, and you have just repeated your success. 2 for 2. Not bad buck, not bad at all

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#187058 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Yeah.

It kinda is.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187059 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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It is disproven by E=MC^2.
Bwahahahahahahahahhhaaaaa.aa.a .a.a.aaa....
E=MC^2 has nothing to do with your sexual perversions

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187060 Nov 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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A very careful editing of the "facts" does not make for a convincing "argument", stupid.
But lying is your forte.
I edited over 3 trillion facts, huh?

I must be good.

Obama added 4X debt of Bush, on a 4 year comparison.

But Bush is the deficit guy. Right?

You don't believe in numbers, do you?

You prefer bull shit. You are a moron, Blob.

A lying moron.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187061 Nov 25, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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No wonder I'm a bit short.
I have heard that.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187062 Nov 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yeah.
It kinda is.
Then it's kinda not.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187063 Nov 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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And a fine day to you Christine.
Been away having some summer fun, but sadly, summer is over.
I can s
Glad you had fun, good to see you back though
Aerobatty wrote:
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(Stupid smartphone)
See that not much has changed in my absence.
Whoever coined the term smart phone obviously didn’t use one.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187064 Nov 25, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Was that the leukaemia that your evolution invented at the same time as everything else?
evoluuuuution, breath in slowly, then exhale evoluuuuuuuuuuution.
Actually yes, all you have to do now is think about it a bit and stop blaming your god for everything.

Godbots breath in though the mouth and out through the a$$
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#187065 Nov 25, 2013
Wrong. They exist.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Emotions haven't been.........proven yet.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187066 Nov 25, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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[laughing]
You must be christian to consider violence so funny.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#187067 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Yes, the brain can be monitored. This is a highly-developed science. Maybe you would wish to explain, then, how this man's brain shut down with nothing to monitor, yet he emoted, experienced, and manufactured memory. Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Near-Death Experience and Journey into the Afterlife by Dr. Eben Alexander
Dr. Alexander has been the subject of discussion by both Sam Harris and Bill Maher, both of which I believe you have lambasted in the past. The episode of Maher's <
> included Dr, Lawrence Krauss on the panel, who chimes in with his opinion on the realness of hallucinogenic experiences.

All three men were in agreement, and none was willing to accept Alexander's interpretation of his experience during a severe episode of meningitis as supernatural or indicative of the other claims he made which included that his neocortex had shut down completely, that the experience constituted proof of mind existing independently of brain, that it was an experience of an afterlife which included angels, and that it was proof of heaven - the title of his bestselling book.

Here are some quotes:

Alexander: "My synapses — the spaces between the neurons of the brain that support the electrochemical activity that makes the brain function—were not simply compromised during my experience. They were stopped. Only isolated pockets of deep cortical neurons were still sputtering, but no broad networks capable of generating anything like what we call “consciousness.”... My doctors have told me that according to all the brain tests they were doing, there was no way that any of the functions including vision, hearing, emotion, memory, language, or logic could possibly have been intact ... my experience ... supplies a definitive new form of evidence that consciousness can exist beyond the body."
http://www.newsweek.com/science-heaven-63823

"I was a speck on a beautiful butterfly wing; millions of other butterflies around us. We were flying through blooming flowers, blossoms on trees ... and above there were these arcs of silver and gold light and beautiful hymns coming down from them. Indescribably gorgeous hymns. I later came to call them “angels,” those arcs of light in the sky. I think that word is probably fairly accurate ... Then we went out of this universe. I remember just seeing everything receding and initially I felt as if my awareness was in an infinite black void. It was very comforting."
http://ndestories.org/dr-eben-alexander/

Sam Harris, a neuroscientist, which is different from a neurosurgeon, offers this criticism, which specifically addresses the monitoring to which you referred, including why it was inadequate to support the claim that the neocortex had shut down:

Harris: "Everything that Alexander describes ... has been reported by DMT users ... Does Alexander know that DMT already exists in the brain as a neurotransmitter? Did his brain experience a surge of DMT release during his coma?... similar experiences can be had with ketamine, which is a surgical anesthetic that is occasionally used to protect a traumatized brain. Did Alexander by any chance receive ketamine while in the hospital?... His assertion that psychedelics like DMT and ketamine “do not explain the kind of clarity, the rich interactivity, the layer upon layer of understanding” he experienced is perhaps the most amazing thing he has said since he returned from heaven. Such compounds are universally understood to do the job ... "CT scans and neurological examinations” can’t determine neuronal inactivity—in the cortex or anywhere else. Alexander makes no reference to functional data that might have been acquired by fMRI, PET, or EEG—nor does he seem to realize that only this sort of evidence could support his case.
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/this-must-...

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187068 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know #5 is from Hamlet
"5. What a piece of work is a man"
I learned that from Star Trek...
Well at least you have learned something then.

Why have you chosen Shaun Bean, a grand Yorkshire man as your avatar? I thought you had a downer on the Brits or is it just those on topix who disagree with you?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187069 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Another is women.
Indeed...

God came to Eve to pass on some news. "I've got some good news and some bad news," God said.
Eve looked at God and said, "Well, give me the good news first."

Smiling, God explained, "I've got two new organs for you. One is called a brain. It will allow you to be very intelligent, create new things and have intelligent conversations with Adam. The other organ I have for you is called a vagina. It will allow you to reproduce your now intelligent life form and populate this planet. Adam will be very happy that you now have this organ to give him children."

Eve, very excited, exclaimed, "These are great gifts you have given to me. What could possibly be bad news after such great tidings?"

God looked upon Eve and said with great sorrow, "The bad news is that when I created you, I only gave you enough blood to operate one of these organs at a time. While you're bleeding through one of them every 28 days, the other will remain useless."
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#187070 Nov 25, 2013
Other violent faiths are available.
ChristineM wrote:
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You must be christian to consider violence so funny.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187071 Nov 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You keep repeating this lie, as if by repeating it, you think the lie will magically become not-a-lie.
The very epitome of stupid-- that describes you.
That, and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
No **wonder** you keep getting tossed in jail...
Wow you certainly have our friendly neighbourhood buck weighed up.

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