Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#186613 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I won't argue with your equating belief in abiogenesis with belief in god.
Have you told IAnus, because he believes it.
Abiogenesis isn't a belief though. It's the hypothesis of a process by which a living organism arises naturally from non-living matter.
As opposed to the belief that god created it.
God is not a hypothesis, it is a belief.
Abiogenesis is a hypothesis.
We study how this may have happened using materials and science, by testing various bio-chemical reactions with organic matter.

I think we gave up along time ago trying to test for a god, there's no chemicals or reactions that can lead to finding god.
But there is considerable effort toward the discovery of how life came to be , using this methodology.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186614 Nov 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Time has existed ever since space has, it doesn't matter if we learned to measure it or not. But we have been measuring it for tens of thousands of years. The only space that exists without time
is inside a black hole, or inside your mouth...or something like that.
lol
You are wrong.

The BBT and the expansion of space is purely a math construct that lumps space and time together. Not necessarily the greater reality.

A seed can not start marking time until it has started to sprout, pea brain. That BBT is a metaphor for a seed.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186616 Nov 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Abiogenesis isn't a belief though. It's the hypothesis of a process by which a living organism arises naturally from non-living matter.
As opposed to the belief that god created it.
God is not a hypothesis, it is a belief.
Abiogenesis is a hypothesis.
We study how this may have happened using materials and science, by testing various bio-chemical reactions with organic matter.
I think we gave up along time ago trying to test for a god, there's no chemicals or reactions that can lead to finding god.
But there is considerable effort toward the discovery of how life came to be , using this methodology.
Non-living matter was created, turnip head. Per "science".

Think process.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186621 Nov 22, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I call it dissection, and I enjoy it more than the "debates" that take place here.
Dissection captures the essence of analysis, which is the disassembly of a polymerous concept and the consideration of its elements. A related word is deconstruction. A full understanding includes an understanding of the parts to the whole, and of the whole to its context - related ideas and higher order categories categories.

By the way, since you've just recently arrived, and I've just posted a list of the philosophical topics that have been broached in this thread recently, if you missed any of them and are interested, let me know and I'll link you to them.

And that applies to those that were present but missed them, or would like to see them again. Many of these are very helpful ideas - ideas that helped me, and that I think might help others in the same way.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#186622 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are wrong.
The BBT and the expansion of space is purely a math construct that lumps space and time together. Not necessarily the greater reality.
A seed can not start marking time until it has started to sprout, pea brain. That BBT is a metaphor for a seed.

You aren't accusing me of being wrong, you're accusing Einstein of being wrong. As matter a fact you are accusing all of science of being wrong, but that's nothing new here, same old Dave rants, different day.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186623 Nov 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
I find people interesting especially people that have history and experience.
Agree.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186624 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So you think evolution is a CULT?....ha ha ha ha, really now pop's ....Cult----"A "system" of "religious" veneration and devotion directed toward a particular "figure" or "object." Were's the figure or object in evolution?
Of course your "Into" it, either that or you lied. You admitted to accepting "micro-evolution" so you accept evolution period, since there is NO DIFFERENCE between miro, and macro evolution. If you believe in micro-evolution you are now officially a member of the *cult* LOL
"The really nice thing about evolution is that's it's true whether or not you believe it"
I think you are confusing your death cult with a scientific fact. It's your death cult that chants..Glooooory to Gooooood, aaaaaaamen. Praissssse the loooooord, my looooord and savvvvior. See, now don't you feel really foolish!!!
So, are you changing your tune now and saying you do not accept micro-evolution? Personally I don't think you have any idea what constitutes evolution. Reading that creationists shit WILL rot your brain.
evoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuution [laughing]

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#186625 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Non-living matter was created, turnip head. Per "science".
Think process.
You created a non living turnip head? What did you use? magnets?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186626 Nov 22, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Please elaborate on something that you feel would be an experience of God. I'm asking genuinely.
God speaking, prayers answered, miracles, forgiveness of sins, healing, deliverance from substance abuse, many blessings, his promises coming true, prophesy, salvation, supplying needs, are but just a few.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186627 Nov 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Are you bitter because you lost a close love one to leukemia?
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer:

I would only be bitter if I believed that somebody could have prevented the death, but allowed it to happen anyway. Otherwise, I would just be grieving.

This is a huge benefit of unbelief. There is a little boy with leukemia that is presently in remission who was on the news recently when the Make-A-Wish foundation arranged for him to live out his fantasy of being the superhero Batman. http://rt.com/usa/batkid-leukemia-saves-san-f...

If I later one day that he died of his disease, unlike the theist, I will have the comfort of knowing that it was just rotten luck, and not something that was allowed to happen.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186628 Nov 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Was that the leukaemia that your god invented at the same time as everything else?
Was that the leukaemia that your evolution invented at the same time as everything else?

evoluuuuution, breath in slowly, then exhale evoluuuuuuuuuuution.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186629 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Being a conservative means being rational. Being a liberal means being willing to give someone else's shirt right off his back.
I have what I feel strongly are better definitions.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186630 Nov 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree.
My good Doctor,[tipping hat]

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186631 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
If I had known you would back up this dumptruck load of bullshit, I would have never mentioned it. Your premise is made up of whole cloth.
Nice rebuttal.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186632 Nov 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Abiogenesis isn't a belief though. It's the hypothesis of a process by which a living organism arises naturally from non-living matter.
As opposed to the belief that god created it.
God is not a hypothesis, it is a belief.
Abiogenesis is a hypothesis.
We study how this may have happened using materials and science, by testing various bio-chemical reactions with organic matter.
I think we gave up along time ago trying to test for a god, there's no chemicals or reactions that can lead to finding god.
But there is considerable effort toward the discovery of how life came to be , using this methodology.
Forrest Gump,

“It all started with a RNA pool party, there was this band and they were playing hard rock music.”

Things got out of hand and the cops came and raided the place.

The RNA band just kinda went everywhere.

From there, sh*^ happened.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186633 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Hitting Bongo in the nose.
[laughing]
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186634 Nov 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Concentrate on proving the god your creationist cult sent you here to lie to us about, instead of getting caught up in stupid conversations.
I believe you’re partially paralyzed.

God can heal the brokenness of your spirit.

The bitterness you hold can be removed.

Disengage from your hate and ask God to forgive you of all your sins. Then the healing can begin my friend.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186635 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
He fabricates scriptures.
If I did, do you think you would know a made up scripture from one in the Christ bible?

On a related topic, do you think that you can pick out the bible verse from the from Shakespearean excerpt? Which of these is which?
http://www.sporcle.com/games/bamachile/billy-...

1. For there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so
2. All that glisters is not gold
3. Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown
4. Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth
5. What a piece of work is a man
6. Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.
7. A merry heart doeth good like a medicine
8. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
9. Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.
10. Give me my robe, put on my crown; I have Immortal longings in me
11. Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears
12. This above all: to thine own self be true
13. How poor are they that have not patience!
14. Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing
15. Neither a borrower nor a lender be
16. Lord, what fools these mortals be!
17. Vanity of vanities; all is vanity
18. The better part of valor is discretion
19. Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning
20. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186636 Nov 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You aren't accusing me of being wrong, you're accusing Einstein of being wrong. As matter a fact you are accusing all of science of being wrong, but that's nothing new here, same old Dave rants, different day.
Perhaps you don't understand what Einstein and others have actually said or describe.

You are a word worshipper. An intellect created exclusively by what you think you heard. An artificial intelligence.

Try understanding what you "know". Sprout some leaves and start growing, peanut head.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#186637 Nov 22, 2013
JFK Remembered.

America, The Beautiful Lyrics
by Katharine Lee Bates - 1913

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
Whose stern impassion'd stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America! God mend thine ev'ry flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!

O beautiful for heroes proved In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life!
America! America! May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness,
And ev'ry gain divine!

O Beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam,
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

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