Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#186653 Nov 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You didn't ask me, but I'll answer:
I would only be bitter if I believed that somebody could have prevented the death, but allowed it to happen anyway. Otherwise, I would just be grieving.
This is a huge benefit of unbelief. There is a little boy with leukemia that is presently in remission who was on the news recently when the Make-A-Wish foundation arranged for him to live out his fantasy of being the superhero Batman. http://rt.com/usa/batkid-leukemia-saves-san-f...
If I later one day that he died of his disease, unlike the theist, I will have the comfort of knowing that it was just rotten luck, and not something that was allowed to happen.
My reaction is the similar, and I am a theist.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186654 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Which is?
Maybe "science is right because science says so"...
Very good, YES science is right because it says so. Science is right because it has explanatory powers, it can verify anything in the naturalistic realm. It has the ability to test for repeatability and every effort is made to falsify whatever the subject matter may be. In the end we have the very best answer (at this moment is time) for whatever the subject may be. So you are correct, science is right because it says so. You seem to be learning, good for you.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#186655 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Creating the building block for life ( Amino Acids from non-living material) is certainly a step toward realizing abiogenesis. Some scientists working in that field predict science is about 10-15 years away from abiogenesis. It would be just one more "God cause" that science would replace, just like so many other God causes that have been pushed aside by science.
It would appear that there is more evidence for abiogenesis than for your God.
There is a rather HUGE difference between the "applied" and "directed" actions of science and "random" actions. The "applied" and "directed" are forces "deliberately" channelled in a particular and "chosen" direction. There is something quantum mechanical about it.

VERY, VERY HUGE difference.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#186657 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Creating the building block for life ( Amino Acids from non-living material) is certainly a step toward realizing abiogenesis. Some scientists working in that field predict science is about 10-15 years away from abiogenesis. It would be just one more "God cause" that science would replace, just like so many other God causes that have been pushed aside by science.
It would appear that there is more evidence for abiogenesis than for your God.
10 to 15 years, you say?

Nice guess.

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#186658 Nov 22, 2013
boooots wrote:
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David Koresh, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, Muhammad (although it appears he was not killed for what he did). There are a lot of very impressive characters in books, and serial books that have come out in my lifetime too, Buck, but the author claimed them as fictional, and the very best knowledge we have is that the Bible is fictional too.
Yes, someone or something, got the Christian religion rolling in the first place, or it would not exist now, but the events which believers claim led to it are most likely 100% myth. That Jesus, the man, actually lived, is quite possible, and it is even possible, though we have no way of proving it, that he might have been some sort of an itinerant preacher too. Anything not natural or supernatural about him, though, is 100% myth, or at least the total lack of any evidence otherwise suggests that very strongly. All non-biblical accounts of the man Jesus would be hearsay as they were all written long after the person they write about was gone.
Save it, Booobs.

I am far more in command of the evidence on this subject than you are.

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#186659 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Creating the building block for life ( Amino Acids from non-living material) is certainly a step toward realizing abiogenesis. Some scientists working in that field predict science is about 10-15 years away from abiogenesis. It would be just one more "God cause" that science would replace, just like so many other God causes that have been pushed aside by science.
It would appear that there is more evidence for abiogenesis than for your God.
Even if they could, how would that be evidence that such an event took place spontaneously?

Have they seen it occur?

No, except in their dreams.

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#186660 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Very good, YES science is right because it says so. Science is right because it has explanatory powers, it can verify anything in the naturalistic realm. It has the ability to test for repeatability and every effort is made to falsify whatever the subject matter may be. In the end we have the very best answer (at this moment is time) for whatever the subject may be. So you are correct, science is right because it says so. You seem to be learning, good for you.
You are supporting the opposite.

What you are saying is that science, at any particular moment, is probably wrong about a lot of things.

Thanks Blue Bayou. That's what I thought.

You Coprophagous fop.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186661 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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B coming from A requires the existence of A.
A cannot both exist and not exist.
Therefore, something (B) cannot come from nothing (A).
You sissies in Boston should read more.
How many times do I have to point out the flaws in this argument? You have NOT proven that B cannot come from A for the simple reason you have NO example of A. You can't make the statement that A cannot both exist and NOT exist, because you have NO EXAMPLE OF A. You can't just make shit up and expect it to fly. Milan Lucic is from Boston, I double dare you to call him a sissy to his face.

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#186662 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>And what evidence do you have that he"allows" this?
Does that mean he could stop it if he wanted to? He probably should have stopped it just before measure 15 when he pitch becomes an issue. Even better, maybe he should have just pitch corrected her, and then let he continue.
Of course before we even get there, you need to post some evidence that "He" actually exists and is capable of "allowing" anything. Good luck Butt crack!!!
Your previous hypothetical stipulated the "allowing".

It was you, not me.

And I will alert Sarah McLaughlin and Josh Groban that they need to see you for vocal advice.

You stupid Squat Pump.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186663 Nov 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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evoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuution [laughing]
Why are you laughing, you told me you BELIEVE in evolution? Did you lie once again? Have you taken a giant step backwards toward your primitive ancestors? Or could it be, you have suddenly realized just how unfounded your belief in God really is? Or you just read a page of your bible!! I know I end up LMAOROTF everytime I read the bible

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#186664 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>How many times do I have to point out the flaws in this argument? You have NOT proven that B cannot come from A for the simple reason you have NO example of A. You can't make the statement that A cannot both exist and NOT exist, because you have NO EXAMPLE OF A. You can't just make shit up and expect it to fly. Milan Lucic is from Boston, I double dare you to call him a sissy to his face.
No example of A is needed, you dope.

It doesn't matter what A or B is.

Universal logic requires A exist for B to come from it.

And I never heard of Milo Loosedick.

But if you want his ass whooped, bring him by.

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#186665 Nov 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nice rebuttal.
The rebuttal came previously.

This was ridicule.

I won't supply the definition.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186666 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No example of A is needed, you dope.
It doesn't matter what A or B is.
Universal logic requires A exist for B to come from it.
And I never heard of Milo Loosedick.
But if you want his ass whooped, bring him by.
Just a quick drive-by.

Locked in legal battles today.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#186667 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Very good, YES science is right because it says so. Science is right because it has explanatory powers, it can verify anything in the naturalistic realm. It has the ability to test for repeatability and every effort is made to falsify whatever the subject matter may be. In the end we have the very best answer (at this moment is time) for whatever the subject may be. So you are correct, science is right because it says so. You seem to be learning, good for you.
Uh-huh...

Since you think science deals with only the naturalistic realm, they should steer clear of dreams, emotions, sleep, yawning, gravity, why people are 90% right-handed and of course, purring cats.

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#186668 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You know no such thing, Booobs.
A very adequate case for the existence of God can be made without anything "abrahamic" involved.
It has never been done, Buck, so be the first and back up your statements with facts.:)

Since: Sep 08

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#186670 Nov 22, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>How many times do I have to point out the flaws in this argument? You have NOT proven that B cannot come from A for the simple reason you have NO example of A. You can't make the statement that A cannot both exist and NOT exist, because you have NO EXAMPLE OF A. You can't just make shit up and expect it to fly. Milan Lucic is from Boston, I double dare you to call him a sissy to his face.
What are you, a C?

You are here, right? You don't get B unless you have A. You don't get an A unless you is.

Your existence means you are either an A or a B.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186671 Nov 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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God speaking, prayers answered, miracles, forgiveness of sins, healing, deliverance from substance abuse, many blessings, his promises coming true, prophesy, salvation, supplying needs, are but just a few.
You need some definitions here:

1.) God speaking.........People who hear voices I their heads are always diagnosed as mentally unstable. They actually have a place were these poor people go to be cured if possible.

2.) Prayers answered.....There is always an alternative answer to a claim that a prayer has been answered. There have been scientific studies done and show that prayers actually work, the results showed no proof for that claim. Amputees, parents who have lost children to cancer and other illnesses, along with the millions that died horribly during the holocaust, show that prayers are never answered.

3.) Miracles.......Fall under the same category and answered prayers, there has NEVER been a scientifically confirmed case of any miracle occurring.

4.) Forgiveness of sin........Sin is a religious word that applies only to those who believe such nonsense.

5.) Healing....There has NEVER been an instance where miraculous healing have been fully supported by medical science. In many cases "self-healing" has been the accepting answer.

6.) Deliverance from Substance abuse.....Comes from the inner strength that people develop to over come such problems. Since non-believers can also deliver themselves from substance abuse, it shows that no such entity is needed.

7) Many blessings.........People are responsible for their own success, hard work and intelligent decisions reap rewards, not some mythical being.

The rest is just religious gibberish, with no real meaning other than to those who share in your delusion. To the critical thinkers is appears as nothing more than "white noise"

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#186672 Nov 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Here's the deal, if you had proof there was no God, would you bring it forward? Right? But your lunch bag is empty, not even a crumb to show us.
Your question is nonsense. One cannot bring forward a proof of nothing. What would nothing be proved by? On the other hand, if a god did exist and it had one 1 millionth of the power that believers claim, there should be ample evidence that can be shown. Why then has there never been any evidence of a god, that has shown and can now be verified to be accurate?

Atheists are not claiming that they can prove there are no gods, but simply atheists have no beliefs in gods, and one reason for that, assuming they have a reason, is that there has never been anything to suggest a god or gods exist other than the reports of other human beings, none of which have been verified to be true. To top that off, many of what believers hold as sacred truths from their "reports" have been verified to not be true.

RiversideRedneck

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#186673 Nov 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Bible verses (guessing):
1,4,5,7,8,11,15,17,19
I know #5 is from Hamlet

"5. What a piece of work is a man"

I learned that from Star Trek...
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#186674 Nov 22, 2013
An all powerful god wouldn't care about causality.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What are you, a C?
You are here, right? You don't get B unless you have A. You don't get an A unless you is.
Your existence means you are either an A or a B.

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