Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186196 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Impressive list. But really, dude? You've never owned a truck?! I don't see how that's possible...
I did own a truck, but I didn't use it as transportation. Why does that surprise you? I have an SUV for cargo, all of which needs to be covered, and truck culture has no appeal for me.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186197 Nov 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>have you ventured up the coats to Maine? Ogunquit is really beautiful, the Marginal Way, is spectacular especially after a storm. Great Clam Chawda at Barnicle Billy's.
I took three days driving up the coast, starting in Boston and ending in Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park. Beautiful country. At the park, there's a spot to climb to where you can be the first to see the sunrise in the Continental U.S. Great lobster rolls up there too. But some of the Mainers remind me of RiversideRedneck.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186198 Nov 20, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I would not square off with a 30 pound bobcat, at least not unless a lot of money was involved.
I did once, while unarmed, attack 2 dope dealers who had 9mm handguns.
I took out the first one clean, but the second one shot me in the back, the bullet exiting the front to the left of my navel. I went down to the pavement, and he fired point blank twice at my head and missed. Had to run a mile to get help.
Besides, I have nothing against bobcats. If I did, we would throw down.
I once wrestled a juvenile elephant, in Thailand. It was just like trying to move a cinder block wall. Same color, too.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186199 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you when you get up, 3-1/2?
You and Buck should get a room.

He's got the same small penis fetish.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#186200 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Was there any facts in this other than "Jesus started no religion, and had no intention of doing so" and that I said "I don't see where Jesus did anything distinguished in his lifetime, or left anything of value behind"?
Your bare opinions are nothing but that. I for one don't care what others believe, just what they know and can demonstrate.
Here's what I know and demonstrated.

You used Jesus' lack of starting and perpetuating a religion as evidence that he did nothing distinguished, assigning the credit for the religion to others.

This indicates a dearth of knowledge on your part of what Jesus attempted to do during his lifetime, as you cited this as a failure to achieve. Your knowledge deficit, therefore, renders you a poor authority on how Jesus' distinguished himself.

I went on to point out for you, or "demonstrate", factually, what he did to distinguish himself.

Your thesis is defeated. Maybe you should move on.
__________

Would you speculate that a man had distinguished himself a bit if he had the following published and marketed about him:

Albright, William F. Yahweh and the Gods of Canaan: An Historical Analysis of Two Contrasting Faiths (ISBN 0-931464-01-3).
Badenas, Robert. Christ the End of the Law, Romans 10.4 in Pauline Perspective (ISBN 0-905774-93-0).
Bellinger, Gerhard J.. Jesus: Leben - Wirken - Schicksal (2009, ISBN 978-3-8370-3964-1).
Blomberg, Craig L. The Historical Reliability of the Gospels (ISBN 0-87784-992-7).
Bornkamm, Gunther. Jesus of Nazareth (Hodder & Stoughton, 1960).
Brandon, Samuel George Frederick. Jesus and the Zealots: a study of political factor in primitive Christianity (Manchester University Press; 1967).
Brandon, Samuel George Frederick. The Trial of Jesus of Nazareth (London: Batsford; 1968).
Brown, Raymond E.. An Introduction to the New Testament (1996, ISBN 0-385-24767-2).
Browne, Sir Thomas. Pseudodoxia Epidemica (6th edition, 1672, V:vi).
Bultmann, Rudolf Karl. Jesus Christ and Mythology (Scribner's, New York; c. 1958).
Carlyle, Thomas. On Heroes and Hero-Worship: and the Heroic in History (Ward, Lock & Bowden, 1896).
Carmichael, Joel. The Death of Jesus (Gollancz, 1963).
Cohen, Shaye J.D. From the Maccabees to the Mishnah (1988, ISBN 0-664-25017-3).
Craig, William Lane. The Son Rises: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus (ISBN 1-57910-464-9).
Craig, William Lane. Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up?: A Debate Between William Lane Craig and John Dominic Crossan (ISBN 0-8010-2175-8).
Crossan, John Dominic. Who Killed Jesus?: Exposing the Roots of Anti-Semitism in the Gospel Story of the Death of Jesus
Dibelius, Martin. Jesus: a study of the Gospels (S.C.M.Press; 1963).
Dunn, James D.G "Jimmy". Jesus, Paul and the Law (ISBN 0-664-25095-5).
Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, 1883.
Eisler, Robert. The Messiah Jesus and John the Baptist, according to Flavius Josephus''Capture of Jerusalem'(Methuen; 1931).
Ehrman, Bart. Jesus: apocalyptic prophet of the new millennium (ISBN 0-19-512474-X).
Ehrman, Bart. The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings (ISBN 0-19-515462-2).
Fredriksen, Paula. Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews: A Jewish Life and the Emergence of Christianity (ISBN 0-679-76746-0).
Fredriksen, Paula. From Jesus to Christ: The Origins of the New Testament Images of Christ (ISBN 0-300-08457-9, ISBN 0-300-04018-0).
Hoskyns, Sir Edwyn Clement and Davey, Noel. The Riddle of the New Testament (Faber and Faber, 1931).
Jack, James William. The Historic Christ. An examination of Dr. Robert Eisler's theory according to the Slavonic version of Josephus and the other sources (J. Clarke & Co., London; 1933).
Johnson, Luke Timothy. The Real Jesus: The Misguided Quest for the Historical Jesus and the Truth of the Traditional Gospels (HarperOne, 1997).

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Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186201 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
THAT...
...is my line.
You owe me a quarter.
(That's like a million pesos)
Bad google.

You're losing your touch.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186202 Nov 20, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Harrison's cave is cool. So is the gorgeous east coast, from Crane's beach to the north. I'm with you on most of this, but I have a muscle car.
Yeah, I recall that you are into cars. I have an image of you driving one up and down Ocean Blvd. in Long Beach that probably comes from something you posted.

I'm not familiar with the east coast of Barbados. I was there for only one day in March of 1993 on a Caribbean cruise, which docked on the west coast at Bridgetown. But we got to see the caves that day, which are nearer the center of the island

And we have a nice momento of that day: a picture of my wife and me in the cave sitting on a table top visible from where I am sitting now, right next to a photo of us posing in front of the house the Grateful Dead lived in at 710 Ashbury in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bZSFqR77_pI/T5LeUpv...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#186203 Nov 20, 2013
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Käsemann, Ernst. Jesus means freedom: a polemical survey of the New Testament (London: SCM, 1969).
Kierkegaard, Søren. Training in Christianity, and the Edifying Discourse which 'accompanied' it (Oxford University Press; 1941).
Lewis, C.S. Mere Christianity. A book on Christianity and logical support for Jesus as God, from an Anglo-Catholic perspective (ISBN 0-06-065292-6).
Maccoby, Hyam Zoundell. Revolution in Judea. Jesus and the Jewish resistance (London: Ocean Books, 1973).
Maccoby, Hyam Zoundell. Jesus the Pharisee (London: SCM Press; 2003).
In Quest of the Hero (Mythos Series): by Otto Rank, Lord Fitzroy Richard Somerset Raglan, includes "The hero pattern and the life of Jesus" by Alan Dundes (Princeton University Press; 1990).
McDowell, Josh. Evidence that Demands a Verdict. Two volumes looking at Jesus from the point of view of evidence.(Vol I: ISBN 0-918956-46-3, Vol. II: ISBN 0-918956-73-0)
Meier, John P. A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus, 3 vols (ISBN 0-385-26425-9).
Mendenhall, George E. The Tenth Generation: The Origins of the Biblical Tradition (The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1973. ISBN 0-8018-1654-8). A study of the earliest traditions of Israel from linguistic and archaeological evidence which also treats the teachings and followers of Jesus in that context.
Mendenhall, George E. Ancient Israel's Faith and History: An Introduction to the Bible in Context (Westminster John Knox Press, 2001. ISBN 0-664-22313-3). Another, less technical, study of the earliest traditions of Israel from linguistic and archaeological evidence which also treats the teachings and followers of Jesus in that context.
Messori, Vittorio. Jesus hypotheses (St Paul Publications, 1977, ISBN 0-85439-154-1). The translation from Italian Ipotesi su Gesù. A book which initially explores the question of Jesus from two secular points of view, mythical (Jesus never lived) and critical (Jesus was not God) and finally considers a third hypothesis - faith.
Metzger, Bruce. The New Testament Canon, page 254.
Morison, Frank. Who Moved the Stone? A discussion of the Trial, Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Faber & Faber, London; 1930). Frank Morison was the pseudonym of Albert Henry Ross.
O'Collins, Gerald. Jesus: A Portrait (Darton, Longman and Todd Ltd, 2008)
O'Collins, Gerald. Christology: A Biblical, Historical, and Systematic Study of Jesus (Oxford University Press, 2009)
Pelikan, Jaroslav. Jesus Through the Centuries: His Place in the History of Culture Yale University Press (1985, hardcover, 270 pages, ISBN 0-300-03496-2; trade paperback, HarperCollins reprint, 304 pages, ISBN 0-06-097080-4; trade paperback, Yale University Press, 1999, 320 pages, ISBN 0-300-07987-7).
Putenis, A.K.. Jesus, the Messiah (Fortress Press).
Phipps, William E. Was Jesus married? The distortion of sexuality in the Christian tradition (Harper, 1970).
Pope Benedict XVI. Jesus of Nazareth.(Doubleday, 2007, ISBN 0-385-52341-6).
Reimarus, Hermann Samuel,(1694–1768). The goal of Jesus and his disciples (Leiden: E. J. Brill; 1970).
Renan, Joseph Ernest. The Life of Jesus (Trübner & Co., London; 1864).
Robinson, John Arthur Thomas. Honest to God (London: SCM, 1963).
Sanders, E.P.. The historical figure of Jesus (Penguin, 1996, ISBN 0-14-014499-4). An up-to-date, popular, but thoroughly scholarly book.
Sanders, E.P.. Jesus and Judaism (Fortress Press, 1987, ISBN 0-8006-2061-5). More specialistic than the previous book, though not inaccessible.
Schillebeeckx, Edward, Christ, the sacrament of the encounter with God (Sheed and W., 1963, 1977).
Schweitzer, Albert. The Quest of the Historical Jesus: a critical study of its progress from Reimarus to Wrede (A & C Black, London; 1910).
Sheen, Fulton J. Life of Christ (McGraw–Hill, 1958).
Shorto, Russell. Gospel Truth, The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters (ISBN 1-57322-056-6 New Y

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Since: May 10

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#186204 Nov 20, 2013
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Strobel, Lee.The Case for the Real Jesus.(Zondervan, 2007, ISBN 0-310-24210-X)
Talmage, James E. Jesus the Christ (ISBN 0-8757-9326-6).
Theissen, Gerd, and Annette Merz. The Historical Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide (Fortress Press, 2003, ISBN 0-8006-3122-6). An amazing book, tough but rewarding, exceptionally detailed.
Theissen, Gerd. The Shadow of the Galilean: The Quest of the Historical Jesus in Narrative Form (Fortress Press).
Thiede, Carsten Peter. Jesus: Man or Myth?(Lion Hudson Plc; 2005).
Tolstoy, Leo. The Kingdom of God is Within You (ISBN 0-8032-9404-2).
Vermes, Geza. Jesus the Jew: A Historian's Reading of the Gospels (ISBN 0-8006-1443-7).
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Wright, N.T.. Jesus and the Victory of God,(SPCK, London; 1996 ISBN 0-281-04717-0). Second in a projected massive five or six volume series on Christian origins, dealing with the life and death of Christ from a very open Evangelical perspective. The author is now Bishop of Durham (Church of England).
Yancey, Philip. The Jesus I Never Knew (Zondervan Publishing; 1996 ISBN 0-310-38570-9).
Yoder, John H.. The Politics of Jesus (ISBN 0-8028-0734-8).
Zacharias, Ravi. Jesus Among Other Gods (2000, ISBN 0-8499-4327-2).

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186205 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I have.
In fact, we have a yogurt product called Delighurt in the refrigerator right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =FESWrEcfVUYXX
I think it's only available in Mexico. The brand is Sello Rojo (Red Seal), which is as well known a brand name here as Bimbo.
Last week, my Mexican neighbor that runs a little abarrotes (grocery store) on our block asked me if I had ever heard of Borden dairy products, which he was considering carrying. The vendor assured him that it was a well known brand in the States, and I confirmed that.
When I lived in Peru, the toothpaste of choice was pronounced kohl-gáh-teh.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186206 Nov 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
We stayed in The Crane for a week back in August. Took our Moke up to Harrison's caves, got totally soaked on the way back but we didn't care. I agree that the East coast is the most beautiful part.
I've got a Superlight Caterham, not very muscly but 4 seconds to 60 mph nonetheless.
Small world.

Wouldn't it be nice to all meet at Raffles Hotel someday for a Singapore sling to toast reason and its fruits.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186207 Nov 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid question,
No it isn't.

You said that God commits murder.

Murder is clearly defined as an illegal act by a human.

So explain how God can break a human law.

Go.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186208 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I did own a truck, but I didn't use it as transportation. Why does that surprise you? I have an SUV for cargo, all of which needs to be covered, and truck culture has no appeal for me.
Those truck lovers are so manly.

I saw a pickup, with those shocks that raise it way up, steer testicles hanging off the rear, and a bumper sticker reading:

A MAN AND HIS TRUCK
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING

Now THERE's a guy with a small penis for you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186209 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm good with that.
Sorry, RR, but no more philosophical debates with you. It really is as difficult and pointless as trying to roll a boulder uphill. You never learn.
I prefer our discussions of lowbrow culture, drywall, and door hinges. One of us learns something in those.
Fair enough.

You were boring me anyway :)

Wanna learn about shear walls and why they're an important defense against seismic threats?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186210 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't favor abortion?
Generally I do NOT.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186211 Nov 20, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>London is a real place...
Therefore Harry Potter is true?
You do realize that that's your argument, right?
No.

When someone says "nothing in the Bible is true", they are full of shit.

That is my argument.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186212 Nov 20, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Don't read English, huh.
Only bad English.

You know, the good kind.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186213 Nov 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Did you know the Scientist that fathered the Scientific Method believed in God? Why is that?
Why would we expect it be any other way? The father of the scientific method hardly had access to many scientific discoveries. Without those, I'd be a theist, too.

Did you know that Newton was into astrology, and that the first Americans used to be British subjects? That's typical of people that are part of great departures.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#186214 Nov 20, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you think IAnus will wiggle out of this one?
1. Say he was not a real scientist?
2. Say we were only talking about raw meat?
3. Say he was not addressing all spontaneous generation, only this narrow subject?
4. Respond to something else, and pretend he rebutted this?
I don't know, man.

I'm chewing off my fingernails in anticipation.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#186215 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, I recall that you are into cars. I have an image of you driving one up and down Ocean Blvd. in Long Beach that probably comes from something you posted.
I'm not familiar with the east coast of Barbados. I was there for only one day in March of 1993 on a Caribbean cruise, which docked on the west coast at Bridgetown. But we got to see the caves that day, which are nearer the center of the island
And we have a nice momento of that day: a picture of my wife and me in the cave sitting on a table top visible from where I am sitting now, right next to a photo of us posing in front of the house the Grateful Dead lived in at 710 Ashbury in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bZSFqR77_pI/T5LeUpv...
Nice.

I lived on the beach side of Ocean Boulevard for 15 years, now I'm three blocks inland. Beautiful area. I recall you said you lived on Ocean, near Redondo or Loma?

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