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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186059 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What makes your world so bitter and pessimistic? Do you ever wonder? Psychology determines philosophy, which in turn feeds back to modify or reinforce the psychology. You may have abandoned a few of the precepts of Christian theology and changed gods, but you still bear the scars of your Christian education, which principle message includes a sense of detachment from our common world, a general disrespect for humanity, and a redirection of your focus from the here and now to pie in the sky there and then. You're living your life waiting at a bus stop to heaven while cursing at the happiest pedestrians passing by.
Why don't you try constructive comments to the unbelievers? You might feel better about yourself, and we probably will feel better about you as well.
IANS, I am waiting at the side of the road waiting for something to go anywhere. You don't pay much attention to what people say because you live in your own little fantasy world.

Oh, I am Mr. Happy. I'm as happy as a pig in shit if I'm out of cigarettes and I find a butt still burning on the side of the road. Would hate to find one with no lighter.

My humility didn't come from my religious training as a child. It came from marching within a group of thousands under the direction of some redneck with no education. With a PhD candidate marching right next to me. Plus my limited math skills understands the relative value of one among billions, and billions, and billions. A lot of people have lived and died.

Your diagnosis is incorrect, Doctor.

Your dreams of your worth and achievements will go "Poof!", Doctor. Then they will forget who and what you were and just fight over any money you left. That will be your true "worth" in this world.

This is a tiny place in a big universe. You have shot your wad puffing yourself up in it.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#186065 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You had to google it.
You even admitted it.
So we were both ignorant of it.
You said "A quick google gave me this definition"
Oh, and "spelt" isn't a word, ya dumb Brit.
Why are you so stupid, is it as a result of being hit too often across the head with a babble or is it just natural?

I googled it so that I could provide you with an actual definition including spellings that I do not use.

Yes “spelt” is a word you dumb yank, look it up before you accuse me of googling it because you are so stupid.

It’s just not the word I meant to use but my spell checker told me it was spelled correctly and that is good enough for me

While you are at it I guess you could also google the English spelling of yoghurt, you never know you may actually educate yourself a little

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186066 Nov 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Why are you so stupid, is it as a result of being hit too often across the head with a babble or is it just natural?
I googled it so that I could provide you with an actual definition including spellings that I do not use.
Yes “spelt” is a word you dumb yank, look it up before you accuse me of googling it because you are so stupid.
It’s just not the word I meant to use but my spell checker told me it was spelled correctly and that is good enough for me
While you are at it I guess you could also google the English spelling of yoghurt, you never know you may actually educate yourself a little
"It’s just not the word I meant to use but my spell checker told me it was spelled correctly and that is good enough for me"

Christine is quite happy and righteous to be told what is right and real BY SOMEONE WHO WROTE A BOOK.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHZHAHA HAHA>

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#186068 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That would be pointless. You are wasting time arguing about what you or I find unimpressive or heroic. I asked you why you considered Jesus wise.
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I saw what you consider impressive:
"He escaped stoning by educated Jews for blasphemy by pulling out quotations from their own Old Testament writings and turning them against their ideas. He referred to the Religious Right as a dog sleeping in the barn who will not eat, and will not let the cattle eat either. When accosted for picking grain to eat on the sabbath, he explained that man was not made for such rules, but the rules made for man. He said you would not impress him if you perform miracles or cast out demons. But you would impress him if you offer a cup of water to a thirsty stranger."
<quoted text>
Sorry, but it's simply not good enough to declare Jesus special because a religion formed around him. What was meaningful was came after his death. I don't see where Jesus did anything distinguished in his lifetime, or left anything of value behind.
It was others that grew the religion, and any of tens or hundreds of thousands of other people in his day could have served in that role just as well. What's so special about an itinerant preacher that told parables and then was executed? Nothing at all.
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Disagree. Neither Jesus' service record nor his insights are hard to top.
You still got it wrong.

You responded this time to the post about wisdom, not the one about being "impressive", then proceed to make assertions about impressiveness or lack thereof.

Your memory is not nearly as good as mine, which partially explains why you keep losing these little debates.

Next, you are wrong on the facts about Jesus, so you are understandably wrong on the conclusions.

Jesus started no religion, and had no intention of doing so. Whatever accomplishments you attribute to religions started after his death are off point. Your acumen in this area is obviously inferior to mine, and I won't belabor the point.

IAnus: "I don't see where Jesus did anything distinguished in his lifetime, or left anything of value behind".

See, this is where you become really annoying. You are not satisfied with critical disagreement; you gravitate toward excess.

Your assertion is a lie, as it cannot be chalked up to stupidity. You can read. Books even.

Jesus confounded the wisdom of educated religionists from the time he was an adolescent. At a time of practically no communcation but word of mouth, with sparse population, and an imperial government colluded with the powerful religion of the day, he was able to command a following with only his teaching. His theme was humility, and relieving the hardships of others. The powers in religion and government became so fearful of his influence, they conspired to have him killed.

Two-thousand years later, books are still today being written about him.

No, IAnus, nobody believes you when you claim to be a rational skeptic.



“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186069 Nov 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Why are you so stupid, is it as a result of being hit too often across the head with a babble or is it just natural?
I googled it so that I could provide you with an actual definition including spellings that I do not use.
Yes “spelt” is a word you dumb yank, look it up before you accuse me of googling it because you are so stupid.
It’s just not the word I meant to use but my spell checker told me it was spelled correctly and that is good enough for me
While you are at it I guess you could also google the English spelling of yoghurt, you never know you may actually educate yourself a little
It's a stupid Brit word, spelt.

Like wanker.

Or wan-KAH...

Did your spell checker tell you it was spelled correctly or spelt correctly?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186070 Nov 20, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Is that the best that proofless creationist liars can do?
I don't know.

Let's find one so we can ask him.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186071 Nov 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I guess wearing a pair of cowboy boots is out of the question. You New Englanders……….. You need to get out and live a little Doctor. And you were in Vegas? Surely you own a pair of cowboy boots.
I've never been fishing with my hands or a spear, nor have I ever hunted. I don't watch fishing on television, I never bowl, have never attended a NASCAR event, and have never shot a bottle, can, or stop sign.

I don't smoke or chew tobacco. Nor do I drink beer or eat moon pies.

I've never had a mullet, nor have I owned overalls, cowboy boots, or a billed caps, and I have no belt buckles with writing on them.

I have never owned a Confederate flag, nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh. My wheels have never been a muscle car or a pickup, and I've never been to Sturgis or Dollywood.

I have never been in a fight, never been stopped for drunk driving, never been arrested, nor spent a night in jail.

You can call me narrow if you like, but to offset those deficiencies, I have seen the auroras in Iceland, the zoos in Singapore and Guadalajara, Club Med on Bora Bora, palaces in Thailand, Vienna and Brunei, the former American Embassy in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), the Charles bridge in Prague, Harrison's Cave in Barbados, giant centipedes in the Philippines, whales breaching off of Kauai's shores, and so many flamingos in a lake in Kenya that it was pink from miles away.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186072 Nov 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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All flying insects that walk on FOUR legs are detestable to you"
What is common among all the creatures mentioned is that they have short legs and often travel together in groups. In fact, the Bible defines sherets as "crawling on its belly" and "whatever walks on all fours."33 What is common in this group of crustaceans, insects, rodents, and reptiles is that they all crawl on "all four" legs. Some from this group actually have more than four legs. However, the Hebrew idiom "on all fours" refers to any creature that crawls low to the ground on at least four legs. Were the writers of the Bible unaware that insects have six legs? This statement would seem rather silly, but atheists actually make this claim. However, one of the verses clearly indicates that these "four-legged" insects have six legs:
'Yet these you may eat among all the winged insects [sherets] which walk on all fours: those which have above their feet jointed legs with which to jump on the earth.(Leviticus 11:21)
The key part of the verse is the phrase "above their feet jointed legs." The Hebrew uses two different words to describe the "feet" (regel) and "legs" (kera). What the verse says is that these insects walk on four "feet" (their anterior four short legs), with an additional two "legs" that are used for jumping. Therefore, all six appendages are described.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/fals...
Your bible is WRONG once again, and so is this bogus web site. The creatures mentioned were specifically *insects* Insect generally do not "travel" in groups, nor do they have "short" legs. Most insect have legs that are almost as long as their bodies. ALL of the Opilliones have extremely long legs, the havestman, and the daddylong legs are examples of an opillion. Grasshoppers, ants, crickets, praying mantis, all have very long legs, twist as you may, your bible is WRONG once again.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#186073 Nov 20, 2013
Ah bless... I used "may" because a broken LED/LCD clock will be right no times a day. Or a clock with no hands...

You just don't know how to think.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No. A broken clock WILL be right twice a day. Not "may" be.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#186074 Nov 20, 2013
No. But you are.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You finally admit that science is shit.
Good boy.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186075 Nov 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
The key part of the verse is the phrase "above their feet jointed legs." The Hebrew uses two different words to describe the "feet" (regel) and "legs" (kera). What the verse says is that these insects walk on four "feet" (their anterior four short legs), with an additional two "legs" that are used for jumping. Therefore, all six appendages are described.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/fals...
And when walking rather than jumping, what are these creatures doing with their jumping appendages? Dragging them? No. They walk on six legs, not four:


Do you think that your apologetics are persuasive that a god had a hand in writing an error free book? What impression do you and Riverside Redneck think you make with claims and arguments like those?

What we see is that people of faith that have chosen to have faith in things that are incorrect are forced to to deny reality and argue absurd positions in defense of those choices just as you are doing here, and as Riverside Redneck did when he claimed that the book this came from is perfect.

What we see is the harmful effect that faith has on other thought, in this case about scientific knowledge, and earlier when defending a god's apparent indifference to suffering, on moral competence.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186076 Nov 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I've never been fishing with my hands or a spear, nor have I ever hunted. I don't watch fishing on television, I never bowl, have never attended a NASCAR event, and have never shot a bottle, can, or stop sign.
I don't smoke or chew tobacco. Nor do I drink beer or eat moon pies.
I've never had a mullet, nor have I owned overalls, cowboy boots, or a billed caps, and I have no belt buckles with writing on them.
I have never owned a Confederate flag, nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh. My wheels have never been a muscle car or a pickup, and I've never been to Sturgis or Dollywood.
I have never been in a fight, never been stopped for drunk driving, never been arrested, nor spent a night in jail.
You can call me narrow if you like, but to offset those deficiencies, I have seen the auroras in Iceland, the zoos in Singapore and Guadalajara, Club Med on Bora Bora, palaces in Thailand, Vienna and Brunei, the former American Embassy in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), the Charles bridge in Prague, Harrison's Cave in Barbados, giant centipedes in the Philippines, whales breaching off of Kauai's shores, and so many flamingos in a lake in Kenya that it was pink from miles away.
Lovely. You saw them.

Did you live in any of those places? I mean getting any experience and really getting to know those places, how they came about, the people, etc? How much of this sightseeing contributed to your deep understanding of the life experience?

You can see those things in a book, IANS. You can read all day about getting punched in the head, but you don't know when you have been until you experience it.

The world is a gritty place. Don't preach to us until you get some experience getting real dirty.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#186077 Nov 20, 2013
http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/topics/danone-yogh...

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-danone...

http://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/wellbeing/galleri...

There are a lot of parochial religitards on Topix.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"It’s just not the word I meant to use but my spell checker told me it was spelled correctly and that is good enough for me"
Christine is quite happy and righteous to be told what is right and real BY SOMEONE WHO WROTE A BOOK.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHZHAHA HAHA>
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186078 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You avoided my questions.
You've made the claim that you "never" let bad things happen that you can prevent.
I highly doubt that dubious claim.
You're under the impression that you, a secular humanist, have higher values and morals than that of all man. Even God.
I've yet to see these supposed higher morals in action.
I do have higher morals than your God, I for example have never killed anyone, that puts me a big leg up o your God thing. Nor do I condones slavery, or blood sacrifice, or promote the rape of young virgins. Neither am I responsible for creating a law that requires a rape victim to MARRY her rapist. Of course the thing that really propels my morality to a much higher plain that your God, is that I have never murdered little babies and destroyed thousands of unborn fetuses.

So as you can see my values and morality of much higher than your Gods, I'm actually more moral than most of the characters in your bible.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#186079 Nov 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
You bible classifies BATS as BIRDS, you bible is MISTAKEN.

Allegations against the Bible are often related to the challenges inherent in the work of translation. Most of these problems have a very simple explanation, if you do a little digging in commentaries or other study aides that deal with the original Hebrew and Greek. For instance, the book of Leviticus describes bats as “birds.”“And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard,... and the bat”(Leviticus 11:13, 19).
If you have a good translation, you can often find clues by simply comparing the questionable word with other passages. In this case, the King James Version (KJV) uses the word fowls instead of birds, and the word fowls appears again in verse 20 to describe insects. Obviously, insects are not birds in the modern sense of the word, so you have to look at the Hebrew. The Hebrew word is owph (Strong’s reference number 05775). Although “bird” is usually a good translation of owph, it can encompass anything that “has a wing,” a winged creature. It is therefore completely in order for the word to be used of birds, flying insects, and bats. It could presumably also be used of pteranodons (flying reptiles). http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v...
And contradiction can be resolved if we allow improvisation. If one part of your bible says that something went upward at nighttime and another says that it went in went down in the daylight, it is easy to say that it must be talking about the perspective from opposite sides of the globe. In order for that to be valid, the same book must say that that is what was meant.

You are not free to resolve bible contradictions except with reference to things in the bible. If you cannot reconcile apparent contradictions except by concocting just-so stories that don't come from the bible, you are left with a self-contradictory book for which you are improvising excuses.

If the book can't be translated accurately and reliably, it is unwise to make life decisions based on it.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#186080 Nov 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nope.
Just not letting you redefine yet another word.
Faith is complete trust or confidence in something.
Since you don't know the airline pilot, all you have is his flight record, you're taking his skills on faith - you trust him.
Since love cannot be quantified, all you have to prove your wife's love is her actions, her words and your intuition - you trust her and you have faith in yourself.
Faith = trust.
Trust = faith.
They are absolutely interchangeable.
Atheist just shun at using the word.....
It all depends o the context of the word. Faith is most usually applied to religion. Faith........."A system of religious belief."

FAITH.........."A strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion based on spiritual apprehension.......(wait for it) Rather than PROOF.

So there ya go!!
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#186081 Nov 20, 2013
Duh, you just spelled "yoghurt".

Still worshipping your not omnipotent yet all powerful god myth?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never seen it spelled "yoghurt".
And before your googing, you hadn't either.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#186082 Nov 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I do have higher morals than your God, I for example have never killed anyone, that puts me a big leg up o your God thing. Nor do I condones slavery, or blood sacrifice, or promote the rape of young virgins. Neither am I responsible for creating a law that requires a rape victim to MARRY her rapist. Of course the thing that really propels my morality to a much higher plain that your God, is that I have never murdered little babies and destroyed thousands of unborn fetuses.
So as you can see my values and morality of much higher than your Gods, I'm actually more moral than most of the characters in your bible.
heh heh

You also haven't been in a position to exercise that kind of power.

Of course you are such a good boy.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#186083 Nov 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I do have higher morals than your God, I for example have never killed anyone, that puts me a big leg up o your God thing. Nor do I condones slavery, or blood sacrifice, or promote the rape of young virgins. Neither am I responsible for creating a law that requires a rape victim to MARRY her rapist. Of course the thing that really propels my morality to a much higher plain that your God, is that I have never murdered little babies and destroyed thousands of unborn fetuses.
So as you can see my values and morality of much higher than your Gods, I'm actually more moral than most of the characters in your bible.
But you have really nice sheets, huh?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#186084 Nov 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"It’s just not the word I meant to use but my spell checker told me it was spelled correctly and that is good enough for me"
Christine is quite happy and righteous to be told what is right and real BY SOMEONE WHO WROTE A BOOK.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHZHAHA HAHA>
You mock sir, are you a godbot by some chance?

Honey, learning from books is called education, perhaps that is your problem, that you think learning from books is hilarious. How did you learn your made up davesworkd BS?

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