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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jul 10

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#184954 Nov 16, 2013
Anon wrote:
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So a visit from god is not that big a deal. I would have thought it would have been life transforming, but what do I know? Are all Christians this hard to impress?
I have lived my whole life with Christians, both in my own family, my church, while I was still a believer and church attender, which I was for over 40 years, and in my work, and social gatherings, yet I have only heard a handful of people, and usually they were speakers at an organized revival service, say that they had actually 'experienced' or been 'touched by God'. I find the number of people on this site who make that claim are greater percentage wise than in the general population. Yet, even here, not one has backed that claim with any solid evidence to show that they were in fact 'experiencing God'. Since all of our perceptions, no matter how they are received, are filtered through our brains, I highly suspect that these experiences that people claim to have had were just some sort of an emotional response that they felt created by their brain in response to some sort of input. That might have been a dream, a meaningful event, which didn't seem to have any logical explanation for it, a coincidence, which they decided must have been an act of God, or just plain dumb luck.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184955 Nov 16, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. on nearly all videos including YOUTUBE, a 'closed-caption' option is now available ..
.. click the CC option at the bottom of video then click ENGLISH ..
Thanks.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184956 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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More than 1,000,000 Californians have had their health insurance canceled thanks to the Unaffordable Care Act.
I'm one of em.
F_ck Hussein.
LOL!

You are so incredibly STUPID, that you would cling to an old, out-of-date policy that is no longer legal.

You are that dumb-- you'd rather pay **more** for a crappy, not-as-good policy!

LOL!

You people are so funny, it's hilarious.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184957 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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More than 1,000,000 Californians have had their health insurance canceled thanks to the Unaffordable Care Act.
I'm one of em.
F_ck Hussein.
Oh, and you are so NOT a christian.

Your Jesus?

Commanded you to **heal** the sick-- not **bleed** them, as what **all** ReThuglicans want to do.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#184958 Nov 16, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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God was the first designer, engineer, architect, builder, creator. He loves his garage projects. It keeps him busy.
What would you do if you were God. Set in a rocking chair with a blank stare and your mouth open?
Which god and who designed it? Was it flawed? God's creator is to blame. Perhaps he was setting (sic) in a rocking chair with a blank stare and his mouth open.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184959 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Thanks. She's really a sweet and special person. You're gonna love her.
So far?

She's managed to evoke a deeper than I usually do response.

That ought to be worth something, right?

:)

Since: Jul 10

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#184960 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I believe that open-mindedness means looking at everything honestly, objectively and subjectively. Not just through the microscope's evidence lens. Being open-minded implies a willingness to consider all sides of an argument, something I think today's atheist can't do.
We Christians say that we 'know' answers that we cannot possible know yet as they believe fully in the Bible. We take it on faith, on belief.
I'll admit that being open-minded means that I HAVE to admit that the Bible may be wrong, which I have. I've contested the 'omnipotence' part of God that clearly cannot be true.
You agnostic/atheists wait for evidence to become available that makes God a fact, but most of you say you'd accept His existence, but still consider Him evil. You're minds seem to be closed, not to anything, just to God. I've seen a lot of atheists that have spiritual experiences, believe in luck, ego or karma, believe in ghosts or aliens, etc. your minds are closed to God.
Who is really open minded? Being open-minded is the best viewpoint as it allows the truth to shine through, and done times that truth requires no evidence.
Open-mindedness cannot be a framework in which you start with absolute truth and ignore everything that contradicts it.
I agree that one has to be open-minded about things, that cannot be proved or haven't been proved, because if we stick to somethign that we don't ahve a shred of reason to, come hell o rhigh water, we are jsut being stubborn, and not willing to learn. I think that is perhaps my reason for having gone from a believing church attending person to one who doesn't believe, and at times can by highly critical of others, especially when they promote aspects of their beliefs which are coutner to human rights, human decency, and just common sense.

I don't know if I am right, but I doubt very many believers in a God, would be willing to jump off a 200 foot high cliff onto boulders below either, on the belief that they have all prayed first to have God save them, and God always answers prayers. The majority cling to their beliefs because it is safe to do so, since nothing very serious is at stake, if they do. Actually, I should have said the majority of believers do, as the majority of people, in the more developed nations today are not believers, or at least are not demonstrating they are by following the belief that a believer must attend Church.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184961 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You might like this recent edition of Bill Maher's New Rules. The sound is a little faint, but audible:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/09/1254...
And then there's this, also about American conservative Christians:
http://www.alternet.org/belief/gospel-selfish...
Maher is good. Whereas I do not always agree with him across the board?

His criticism of politics-- all aspects including the DemoWimps and the ReThuglicans too, is always top-notch.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184962 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Have you experienced God?
No more than you-- we were both lied to as children, and as such, we then re-interpreted our delusions as "god".

Alas, it was just a delusion...

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#184963 Nov 16, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No, and no. But I like to think-- within the limits of his brain-- he shows great affection.
In a human, his actions would be associated with love. But he's a cat, and will always be framed by his cat instincts, which are stronger than his intellect.<quoted text>

.. you must read THE SILENT MIAOW by Paul Gallico. It addresses the basic instincts of cats, why humans respond to their plaintive meows and why we make them little gods ..

[QUOTE who="Bob of Quantum-Faith"]<quoted text>
I would much rather go and **see** rather than mind-numbingly accept "goddidit".
.. that's a wise course to take, it's exactly what I do ..

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184964 Nov 16, 2013
Oh lookit!

All the nasty Judgits on each of my posts!

THANKS DAVE!

LMAO!
Siro

Ryde, Australia

#184965 Nov 16, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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LOL!
You are so incredibly STUPID, that you would cling to an old, out-of-date policy that is no longer legal.
You are that dumb-- you'd rather pay **more** for a crappy, not-as-good policy!
LOL!
You people are so funny, it's hilarious.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Oh, and you are so NOT a christian.
Your Jesus?
Commanded you to **heal** the sick-- not **bleed** them, as what **all** ReThuglicans want to do.
^^^^
Pedo bob once again proving his marxism

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“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#184966 Nov 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I disagree.
I believe respect must be earned.
Of course, respect is the default position, absent any reason to withhold it.
But I don't see respect as an entitlement; each person has the responsibility to demonstrate that s/he deserves others' respect.
Avoidance of conflict is not the highest value.
Integrity, compassion, empathy, respect for human dignity, are requirements. Absent these values, a person does not deserve respect. They trump a desire to avoid conflict.
.. actually, we do agree ..

.. respect must be the default position ..

.. even conflict can be resolved constructively and respectfully, just ask any diplomat ..

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#184967 Nov 16, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So far?
She's managed to evoke a deeper than I usually do response.
That ought to be worth something, right?
:)
.. you're gonna love me ..

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#184968 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No kidding. "We are billion year old carbon."
Buck thinks when you die your body vaporizes. LOL

I think he was traumatized by a funeral when he was a child. It's a coping mechanism. Such sad delusion.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184969 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
If it's proof, I can't ignore it. Try me. Show your proof that God doesn't exist.
Of course you could ignore a proof.

You want to evaluate a proof? I can't get past simple definitions with you. You don't know why a theocracy is worse than a secular democracy, or why killing an animal is different from killing a plant.

OK - one argument. But first, let's see what god you worship. Is Jehovah perfect? Did he write the bible? Is he omniscienct, omnipotent, and perfectly loving?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#184970 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I don't agree.
I would agree with RR. However, until he can substantiate his claim....

BTW, RR, Socrates is the questionable entity, not Plato.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#184971 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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We've been through all of that already. Will it be necessary to repeat it? Let me cut to the chase for you: you and the Christians consider intelligent design feasible, the courts and mainstream science consider it pseudoscience, you think Judge Jones was an ass, I think Michael Behe was humiliated, and none of that will likely ever change. Can we move on?
For anybody not familiar with this court case that challenged a Pennsylvania school board in its decision to teach intelligent design in its schools, this is a pretty interesting story. The following is a two hour documentary about the events leading up to the trial, the trial preparation, the amazing testimony given, and the Judge's unexpected but heroic decision. Is it worth 2 hours to watch? It was for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =x2xyrel-2vIXX
Buck is as tenacious about this topic as he is about everything else, and will become very irritated if the subject is raised again and he doesn't get to control the discussion and which ideas will be permitted without a tantrum being thrown.
Who wants us to go there? It'll be a scene.
It would be a lot more interesting than you vs skom!

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#184972 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's no cucumber...
Whatever it is... you said it was lotioned up.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#184973 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TUGI0DVLLAKD7M2H N/post184816
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This is why I don't take discussion with you seriously. It's a waste of time.
LOL!!

You set the scenario, I answered with what I would have done.

You made a piss poor attempt at setting up a logic to fall your way and on your terms. But yourself got in the way. You assume others would be as desperate as you are to live and have no compunction about putting others at risk to save your worthless hide.

You were trying to set up having to make a choice of faiths, but your ego blew it on the intellectual level.

Now, to answer that question, I would ask both groups if they saw any green in their mirages. Vegetation that tends to grow around decent water in deserts. If one did, I would suggest all heading in that direction, with or without me. Carrying me would wear them out faster, limping along would take longer. An unknown, just a best guess. They need the best odds they can get. In addition, since there was a hostile act in a hostile area, there were likely hostile actors around they would also have to deal with. Probably near the water hole. They wouldn't need any extra weight.

Now, if that wasn't a patrol in the 19th or early 20th century, meaning it was in this era, that being an ordered patrol and all, they would be carrying a radio. If they radio was destroyed, those who sent them out will be dispatching at least a heavily armed helicopter to look for them after contact had been broken. Probably with water on it. And a radio to call Medevac. The Army is a system, after all.

You shouldn't be trying these intellectual exercises under the influence, IANS. You have trouble enough when sober. You go chasing mirages when you are sober, you get lost in them when you aren't.

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