Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#183350 Nov 10, 2013
boooots wrote:
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I did a very long reply to your comment, and posted it a few minutes ago, but it appears to have been lost. If it doesn't appear, know that at least I did try to respond. Because of the length of it, I do not want to have to retype the whole thing, other than I had no memory of anything while unconscious during either of my drowning experiences, which would have been perhaps 10 minutes tops, the first time, and perhaps 15 or 20, the second, but I was receiving oxygen during most of that time, because otherwise I would not be here typing today. Rescuers applied mouth to mouth resuscitation both times, as soon as they got to me, so I was told.
So your consciousness was totally blacked out? Zero, zilch?

What about the realization you were drowning before such happened?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183351 Nov 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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But they appear to cause a reaction within your thick skull, Yoda man, to cause a response.
Not a void, just an empty enclosed space catching waves and sloshing around a bit.
Do you have **any** facts?

No?

Do you have **any**...**proof?**?

Still no?

Interesting.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#183352 Nov 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Christianity is blamed for all the evils in the world. While all the good such as helping the homeless, feeding the hungry, building and supporting schools, hospitals, medicine, fresh water, first aid, shelters, medical research, grief support, elderly support, drug interdiction, drug and alcohol rehab, clothing the disadvantaged, shoes for the needy, school supplies for poor children,…………….
If charities depended upon Atheist. There would be no charities.
For the Atheist motto: Me, myself, and I.
If we all stayed atheists, you would not need charities.For there would be equality and a relevant public education system.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#183353 Nov 10, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Yes, that is the one :) The audacity of those who were trying to scam their way into making that a legal course appalled me. It is a wonder that the USA has education at all with those types sitting on the school boards.
Made me blink at the time, also.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183354 Nov 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Dedicated to all our Veterans.
[Snappy Salute]
What is?

I bet you are Republican: who have just **cut** the SNAP programs-- much of which went to feed returning VETS!

It seems that you salute the vets-- but are unwilling to see that they get **jobs** and **food** and **housing** after they leave service.

That is some "salute" you got there...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183355 Nov 10, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Yes, that is the one :) The audacity of those who were trying to scam their way into making that a legal course appalled me. It is a wonder that the USA has education at all with those types sitting on the school boards.
Did you see the interview of the azzhole True Believer™ who was responsible for it all?

He wrecked his local economy, he destroyed the school district's budget, and he had **absolutely** no regrets for having done so!

He was one sick ***ck.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183356 Nov 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Where was there a talking snake? Could you refer to the scripture please. What happens to the human body when it decomposes completely after death? What's left behind? These minerals left behind from complete decomposition are they found in the earth?
Where was the talking snake? Really? You don't read your bible at all do you Eagle. I doubt you have ever once cracked your holy book, how unbelievably sad. Once again I'm here to prove that almost all Atheists know more about your holy book that the Theists who build their life around it.

You'll find the account of the talking snake in Genesis 3:4-5 and 3:22

In Genesis 3:3 The serpent "REPLIED" "Ye shall never surely die." And then in Genesis 3:4 The snake said "That if she eats the fruit of the tree, the tree in the midst of the garden, Ye will be as God knowing good and evil."

Your analogy is flawed, the dirt your God scooped up had NO remains from dead bodies, he was creating the very FIRST human. Try again!!!! And forfucksake, READ your bible every once in a while, I grow weary of educating you in both science and your own holy book!!!!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183357 Nov 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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None owes justification for their beliefs, unless they state their beliefs are facts.
They damn well do require justification when they try to **force** said beliefs into **law** and into **society**.

Such as forcing idiotic 10 "commandments" onto public lands-- commandments of which they **never** actually follow themselves.

Such as forcing "under god" or "in god we trust" onto public and secular venues (nevermind it does not say **which** god, does it? out of the millions humans have created so far...)

Such as forcing their idiotic notions of "education" onto defenseless children.

Such as forcing their own ugly religious bigotry onto **all** women, regardless of what the woman in question may or may not believe herself: such as anti-abortion, anti-contraceptives, anti-insurance-paying-contrace ption, etc.

So they damn well **do** need to justify their ugly beliefs!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183358 Nov 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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There is no question that you do.
In your feeble mind I'm sure thats true.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#183359 Nov 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>if I were you I'd be ashamed to admit I was Irish. Go have another drink mick!!!!
Oh, he's not Irish.

I am, and I know that the Irish educational system is much better than that.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#183360 Nov 10, 2013
Try that again in English.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Anyone who enters hell and had the chance to go to heaven. Has royal f*cked themselves over for eternity. Sorry, I won’t be sending any postcards from heaven.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183361 Nov 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Not only would eternal life be unpleasant, I see it as an actual hell. Every goal that you ever wanted to achieve would be realized, everything you ever desired would be realized, and then what? Another thousand years to look forward to, and then another million, and what will you now do with every goal you ever wanted fulfilled? No matter what you aspire to, no matter how many goals you could think of, all would be fulfilled and you'd be left with NOTHING. An endless string of nothing, millions of years with nothing, this is the true hell, and comically this is what Theists live and breath for, pitiful. As Woody Allen once said, "eternity is a really long time, especially toward the end."
Yes.. and to make it worse?

These idiots believe in a "utopian" heaven: where there cannot be any losers.

Thus? No games or sports of **any** sort-- no losers? No competition.

And in heaven? There can be allowed no shyt and no urine.

Thus? Absolutely **no** eating or drinking. None of that-- for if it was allowed? You'd have to allow urine and feces... not in **heaven**.

No sex in heaven, either...

... this one is obvious: all marriages are "until death"-- thus? No marriages in "heaven". And we all know that sex outside of marriage is strictly forbidden in "heaven" -- so no sex of any kind.

So.

The "parties" will be booooooring in the extreme: no sex, no drinking, no eating, no dancing (do I really need to explain that one?) no party games, none of any of that.

"heaven"?

It sounds like an endless forced existence of ...

...**hell**.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183362 Nov 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I can tell you this they don't use satellite tracking. They don’t carry a magnetic ship compass.
There internal navigation system is superior than anything man has created. Which leads me to believe they were purposely designed that way. And please spare me the song and dance that evolution did it.
wrong... birds have an internal magnetic compass.

This has been proven on several occasions by scientists.

But they also use visual cues too.

And migration patterns are passed from one generation to the next.

Proof? Birds raised in captivity away from their wild cousins, do not know how to migrate properly-- they are very bad at it, or they just do not migrate at all.

So you are so full of it, your eyes are brown.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#183363 Nov 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Not only would eternal life be unpleasant, I see it as an actual hell. Every goal that you ever wanted to achieve would be realized, everything you ever desired would be realized, and then what? Another thousand years to look forward to, and then another million, and what will you now do with every goal you ever wanted fulfilled? No matter what you aspire to, no matter how many goals you could think of, all would be fulfilled and you'd be left with NOTHING. An endless string of nothing, millions of years with nothing, this is the true hell, and comically this is what Theists live and breath for, pitiful. As Woody Allen once said, "eternity is a really long time, especially toward the end."


Reminds me of a short story I read once, most of the details I have forgotten. It seems a scientist was experimenting with making a time travel machine, and he was using various animals to experiment on in his machine. He would place a cat or a dog in the machine and turn it on and set a dial or something that would take them to some future date or past date, and he would leave the animal there for a very short few minutes and then turn the machine off, and the animal always would come out of the machine completely terrified, and would run off, likely very confused. He could never seem to understand what might have caused such a thing in such a short time, so he decided the only way to find out was to put himself into the machine, and do the traveling himself. I am guessing he must have had an assistant to operate the controls, so that he could come back. Anyway, he did find out why the animal was crazed, because inside the time machine the animal (or person) experienced an eternity of time, and so when they appeared to return in only a few minutes, they had experienced it as an eternity, and it completely blew their minds.

I cannot imagine an eternity that I would want to be in either. Even having the most wonderful experiences, that I could imagine, forever, I would think, would become very difficult to tolerate after billions or zillions of years. Certainly sitting at the foot, or even at the right hand of God, has no appeal to me at all. Even the 72 virgins that the Muslim terrorists expect when they blow themselves up seems like pretty much a disappointment. If they were 72 well experienced women, then it might be okay for a while, but what on earth would a person do in eternity with 72 virgins?

No offense intended to any Muslims here other than the offense the idea innately has anyway. I do have a Muslim sister-in-law. Personally I feel the people who brain-wash those people before they kill themselves should suffer the most horrible hell, but kept alive for a very long time, here on earth. Of course, one could say the same for those in the free world who convince their young to go off to some godforsaken country half way around the world to possibly come home in a box, or perhaps a baggy, or missing various body parts but still hanging on to life. All of that has an element of evil to it.

Since: Jul 10

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#183364 Nov 10, 2013
Wonderful. This time I posted it successfully twice.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183365 Nov 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
If charities depended upon Atheist. There would be no charities.
Bullshyt.

Google Bill And Melinda Gates foundation-- atheists, and one of the largest charities in the world.

Warren Buffet is another atheist, who also does charity work.

Another atheist charity? Doctors without borders is **deliberately** secular, by intent (even though some members are theists--they are forbidden to proselytize their religion while representing DWB).

The fact is? There are quite a number of **secular** charities.

You are just to pig-headed to recognize this fact.

You'd rather wallow in your own filth (hate)

Since: Jul 10

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#183366 Nov 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Are you and mac going to share your close call experiences? What you were thinking when they happened?
As as I wrote a little while ago, I wrote a long essay about that which seems has been lost by the system, and I did not think to copy it before hand as I sometimes do, but I did send a condensed version of some of it later. Fear and panic while still conscious, and facing likely death, and nothing during unconsciousness.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#183367 Nov 10, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
silly rabbits, tricks are for kids, there is no life after death, no god, not even jc the man, get over it folks, and take responsibility for your actions, towards each other, and the planet we all live on. We may never have a social utopia between men, but from what I understand of the known Universe, there is no other planet that sustains the diversity of life as we know it.This is not some waiting area for a better place, this is all we have.


It is definitely all we have for those living at this moment, and though many will make predictions, no one alive today will experience a Rapture or End Times, though will experience the end of their life, assuming they are aware enough to even know that they are dying or about to die. For those poor suckers several billion years into the future, when the earth is consumed by the Sun burning itself out, I guess that will be End Times, if man has not by then found some way to escape our solar system entirely, and to find another younger one, with conditions which he could live in. To get there will take technology that is only science fiction today.

While I can feel a certain regret for these people billions of years from now, it is such a long time, that personally, I cannot see any way that I can help them, other than to try to keep this earth habitable as long as it still exists, which it seems some of us are trying very hard to make it uninhabitable. Likely with my participation in much of that.

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#183368 Nov 10, 2013
boooots wrote:
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As as I wrote a little while ago, I wrote a long essay about that which seems has been lost by the system, and I did not think to copy it before hand as I sometimes do, but I did send a condensed version of some of it later. Fear and panic while still conscious, and facing likely death, and nothing during unconsciousness.
But you weren't dead, you just shut it all of and out of your mind. Fight or flight. No different than a hallucination. But then you wake up. This also happens after surgeries. Your WAKING CONSCIOUSNESS is what goes to "sleep".

Your mind and memories keep ticking during such events. When they get the klaxons they kick in.

Since: Jul 10

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#183369 Nov 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Atheism 101:
“When responding to believers, always try to make them look uneducated. At the same time let them assume you are in the upper echelon of knowledge.”
Christianity, Dealing with Atheist 101.
Atheist are narcissistic and will always reach into their bag of prepackaged responses. One of their favorites is,“You need to get an education.” Just remember the source from which it comes from, an egotist, self-absorbed, self centered, conceited, underachiever, anti-socialist, selfish and vain individual.
I didn't attend either of those courses. I just wing it based on my own experience, and knowledge of what I have learned over my lifetime.

Fact #1 which can't be disputed: No evidence has ever been found and vetted proving to man that a God exists, or that anything of a supernatural nature has ever occurred.

Fact #2 which also cannot be disputed. There has been ample and separate accounts of evidences being found which have been verified to be accurate that this planet never experienced a Flood which would have been several miles of water higher than the highest sea level today such that every possible piece of land was covered thus killing everything not in a relatively tiny ship, which could not have housed even a fraction of all of the species of living creatures, and enough food for all of them for one years, nor could a few people or even thousands of people collect all of those things and put them on a ship, because it would have been impossible to find the living creatures, a good number of which still have not been found and identified even today, and in those days the number of species of living creatures known to man would have been so small relative to the total known today, that they would have been insignificant compared to the actual total world population of living things.

When one delves into the story at all it very quickly seems funny at best, because it could not and did not happen. That some humans still hang onto the Flood story well over 100 years after a lot of religious people had accepted it as pure myth is a miracle in itself, but not a positive miracle, but rather a tragic one. In the western world this hanging on seems be centred in the southern USA, whether or not that is a myth or not, I do not know, but my experiences debating with some people from those parts of the country does seem to turn up an inordinate number of misinformed or uninformed people, moreso than the averages for the whole country would indicate.

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