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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#183222 Nov 9, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Ever hear of the term "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water." Because you have discovered some dishonest and greedy scientists does not negate the OBSERVABLE FACTS dealing with evolution, no more than someone suing a doctor for malpractice negates medical science. There are dishonest people in every profession, dishonest doctors, musicians, lawyers, chemical plant workers, scientists, that doesn't mean the profession itself is negated.
That there are dishonest scientists does NOT negate the OBSERVABLE FACTS OF EVOLUTION.
THE OBSERVABLE FACTS OF EVOLUTION:
1.) Found in any science museum in the WORLD
2.) Found in countless high school and college texts WORLD-WIDE.
3.) Found in any library WORLD-WIDE.
4.) 235,000 articles published in reputable scientific journals in full support of evolution.
5.) ZERO articles published refuting evolution.
I guess you missed my post dealing with the importance of evolution in medical research and advancements in medicine as a direct result of evolution. I have a great idea, ACTUALLY read and try and comprehend what people post, you WILL become much smarter I guarantee it!!!!!!
you seem rational, and I hope you do not mind a comment unrelated to the topic under discussion. this is semi-political. you need to check out the report on the Rachel Maddow show Friday night. It is about GWBush and other politicians who are in cahoots with what I call the Armageddon Welcoming and Facilitating Committee. He is doing fund-raising for one of their groups, and apparently the info about it was taken off the website after it was publicized. This is connected with Hagee and other rightwing evangelical/fundie types. A film clip showed hagee saying that Hitler was essentially used by God to get Jews out of Europe and back into Israel, in order to fulfill prophecy, in order to bring on the end of the world as we know it, and bring about a second coming - and maybe the rapture, though that may be optional depending on which group is promoting this stuff. These are the types trying to take over the gOP. So if anyone thinkws Jeb Bush might be the only rational appearing possible gOP candidate, we had better find out if he is as nuts as his brother.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183223 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder if you could tell me how does a bird fly from one part of the world to the other with pin point accuracy?
Sure no problem. Unlike you I can do this because I think knowledge about the world we live in is very important. And I don't push real knowledge out of the way and displace it with Goddidit.

Migrating birds use a number of way to navigate, they have excellent vision so using landmarks such as rivers, mountains, and even large cities. In their first year they memorize the constellations in relation to the north star for night time navigation, during the day they will use the position of the sun. Birds have a tiny grain of magnetite just above their nostrils which helps them navigate using the earths magnetic field.

Glad I could help you here, education is a wonderful thing, try it sometime!!!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183224 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, here’s what you do. The next time there’s a lighting storm in your area. Put a ½ teaspoon of salt in each one of your shoes. Put your shoes back on. Go out into the rain at the highest point in your neighborhood. Hold up your middle finger as high as your can. Then tell God what you think of him.
You’ll get your proof.
Thanks once again for providing evidence that THE GOD YOU WORSHIP is a demon God. He is so petty that he would actually kill me for not acknowledging him? Answer honestly, is there ANYTHING that your children could where you would kill them, including not loving you? How about your grandchildren? But your God that supposedly loves ALL of his creations and thinks of them as HIS children, would have NO problem killing me for not acknowledging him. Sure am glad I didn't have a parent like that!!!!!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183225 Nov 9, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> you seem rational, and I hope you do not mind a comment unrelated to the topic under discussion. this is semi-political. you need to check out the report on the Rachel Maddow show Friday night. It is about GWBush and other politicians who are in cahoots with what I call the Armageddon Welcoming and Facilitating Committee. He is doing fund-raising for one of their groups, and apparently the info about it was taken off the website after it was publicized. This is connected with Hagee and other rightwing evangelical/fundie types. A film clip showed hagee saying that Hitler was essentially used by God to get Jews out of Europe and back into Israel, in order to fulfill prophecy, in order to bring on the end of the world as we know it, and bring about a second coming - and maybe the rapture, though that may be optional depending on which group is promoting this stuff. These are the types trying to take over the gOP. So if anyone thinkws Jeb Bush might be the only rational appearing possible gOP candidate, we had better find out if he is as nuts as his brother.
No I didn't know this, so thanks so much for the information. People preying on the gullibility of Theists for personal or political gain is just another example of how religion poisons everything.

Of course if those of religion were not so gullible and credulous this kind of insanity would never happen.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#183226 Nov 9, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>No I didn't know this, so thanks so much for the information. People preying on the gullibility of Theists for personal or political gain is just another example of how religion poisons everything.
Of course if those of religion were not so gullible and credulous this kind of insanity would never happen.
I am not willing to generalize quite that much about religion. I think some versions of religion are evil, and others not so much so. I do not think there are enough free thinking type people to outvote religious people, so I am friendly toward any religious person whose view of religion promotes love and stewardship toward living things and the planet. I think they need to be more outspoken in opposition to the evil ones who hijack religion and use it mostly for evil purposes. Not that I think that religion does not carry the seeds of some of the evil doctrines within it (most religions that I know of anyway), but many religions do also carry seeds of some good behavior and beliefs about being kind and not hateful. I think we need people who water the seeds of kindness, even if they have some silly beliefs, rather than those of cruelty and evil
(maybe even if some of their theological views are less silly). It is ethics which matters most. I respect an ethic of informed kindness - knowing what to do to be kind to living beings (except those which are out to kill or injure us or the innocents of the world, or the less guilty than the killers, at least)/

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183228 Nov 9, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
*blah*-*blah*-*blah*-*blah* Blob.
And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously, Butt Cheeks?

LMAO!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183229 Nov 9, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
*blah*-*blah*-*blah*-*blah*-*b lah* Blob
Did you try to say something Butt Cheeks?

No?

I could not hear what you said, for all your whining.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183230 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess when it comes to the Roman Colosseum games. You’re were always a fan of the Lions.
Indeed.

As the amazing wit and humorous Benny Hill once quipped?

"I went to the Roman Colosseum games-- and it was sad. There was this starving lion? And he didn't have a christian to eat. It was horrible."

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183231 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I keep a specialty printer connected to my computer.
The paper on this printer is on a roll.
After printing I just tear it off and then take it to the bathroom.
And Bob a good healthy sh*t never felt so good knowing I can wipe my *ss with your comments.
[smiling][tipping hat]
I keep a bible in my bathroom-- for use as emergency toilet paper.

One of the few **useful** things you can do with it.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183232 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I keep a specialty printer connected to my computer.
The paper on this printer is on a roll.
After printing I just tear it off and then take it to the bathroom.
And Bob a good healthy sh*t never felt so good knowing I can wipe my *ss with your comments.
[smiling][tipping hat]
Your inner Jesus is showing.

Because Jesus was so good at belittling people, right?

Right.

No **wonder** the Romans got rid of him.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183233 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder if you could tell me how does a bird fly from one part of the world to the other with pin point accuracy?
Magnetic fields. Science has demonstrated that many birds have a magnetic sense.

They also rely on visual cues as they fly.

They also rely on memory-- from having flown the path previously.

This last? Is a generational thing-- new bird will **always** follow older birds who have done it before.

Birds raised in isolation? Do not migrate to the same places as their non-isolated fellows. Some do not migrate at all, in fact.

There is nothing remotely godly about any of it.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#183234 Nov 9, 2013
DavidQuinn wrote:
Atheism requires no faith at all but I wish i had Jean-Paul sartre's attitude to religion, a man so thoroughly atheist he deemed the whole subject beneath his intelligence to consider. Simply religion is divisive and restricts us as a species, simple as that. Check out a book that's causing a bit of a buzz in the Uk called 2082 the chronicles of hope. On the website the 1st chapter for the 1st book is on there for free, there's a speech in there by an atheist politician that's genius
I just checked the reviews of it and saw that one person labelled it conservative political propaganda. I certainly do not think that atheism should lead to rightwing views on politics, economics, etc. With no god, then it is up to us to be kind and help the hurt and helpless, the innocent and poor, the oppressed and exploited. I call that liberal in the US sense of progressive - though not in the European or British sense of each to himself and the devil take the hindmost.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183235 Nov 9, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I shall print off your failure to prove that there's no God.
Proof of no god?

Easy: YOU.

No god who gave a **crap** about his reputation would suffer **YOU** to represent him.

For you are a horrible person-- you continue to belittle people in the name of your ugly god.

Since your god **allows** that? Either your god is a bully-- or else your god just isn't there.

Which is it?
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#183236 Nov 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed.
As the amazing wit and humorous Benny Hill once quipped?
"I went to the Roman Colosseum games-- and it was sad. There was this starving lion? And he didn't have a christian to eat. It was horrible."
actually, I sort of equate the vicious mob type behavior of masses of rightwing socalled Christians with the presumed vicious behavior of Roman crowds, or bullfight or dogfight crowds. No good god would have made such people, or let people abuse animals. Are you sure you want to get into the mud with some of the disgusting types on here? I respect your intelligence when you use it, but it would be throwing pearls before swine to waste it on those types - yet getting down into the mud with them is also not very pleasant. apologies to pigs, they get abused in the Bible and in real life, and in metaphors, and I am sorry about abusing them even repeating a little saying.
throwing pearls before rightwing fundie nuts, would be a more literal way of saying it. oops - apologies to nuts.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#183237 Nov 9, 2013
No it doesn't.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183238 Nov 9, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> actually, I sort of equate the vicious mob type behavior of masses of rightwing socalled Christians with the presumed vicious behavior of Roman crowds, or bullfight or dogfight crowds. No good god would have made such people, or let people abuse animals. Are you sure you want to get into the mud with some of the disgusting types on here? I respect your intelligence when you use it, but it would be throwing pearls before swine to waste it on those types - yet getting down into the mud with them is also not very pleasant. apologies to pigs, they get abused in the Bible and in real life, and in metaphors, and I am sorry about abusing them even repeating a little saying.
throwing pearls before rightwing fundie nuts, would be a more literal way of saying it. oops - apologies to nuts.
He mentioned the Romans first-- and I just flashed on that Benny Hill joke.. so ... I could not resist.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183239 Nov 9, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>I just checked the reviews of it and saw that one person labelled it conservative political propaganda. I certainly do not think that atheism should lead to rightwing views on politics, economics, etc. With no god, then it is up to us to be kind and help the hurt and helpless, the innocent and poor, the oppressed and exploited. I call that liberal in the US sense of progressive - though not in the European or British sense of each to himself and the devil take the hindmost.
Apologies for butting in, but DavidQuinn appears to be a robot-- he always posts the exact same SPAM and has been doing so for some time.

I was mildly interested in the book the **first** time I saw the post-- but I then saw the **exact** same post repeated on all the atheist threads? Word-for-word?

I lost interest in the book. He's become a kind of "anti-promotion" for the book...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183240 Nov 9, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> I am not willing to generalize quite that much about religion. I think some versions of religion are evil, and others not so much so. I do not think there are enough free thinking type people to outvote religious people, so I am friendly toward any religious person whose view of religion promotes love and stewardship toward living things and the planet. I think they need to be more outspoken in opposition to the evil ones who hijack religion and use it mostly for evil purposes. Not that I think that religion does not carry the seeds of some of the evil doctrines within it (most religions that I know of anyway), but many religions do also carry seeds of some good behavior and beliefs about being kind and not hateful. I think we need people who water the seeds of kindness, even if they have some silly beliefs, rather than those of cruelty and evil
(maybe even if some of their theological views are less silly). It is ethics which matters most. I respect an ethic of informed kindness - knowing what to do to be kind to living beings (except those which are out to kill or injure us or the innocents of the world, or the less guilty than the killers, at least)/
All good points but does it take religion to be kind to others? Kindness to others is the result of....kindness, not religion. Isn't it true that any good done by religious groups could be done equally as well by any secular group?

The poisoning that happens with any religion is the belief in something without evidence and for no good reason. It looks relatively harmless on the surface, but people who fervently believe in anything without evidence are potentially dangerous, dangerous to themselves and to others. There are NO benefits to having a belief in God other than it makes a person "feel good." I don't consider that a good reason. I think unsupported beliefs give false hope, contribute to wish thinking and end up being nothing more than a crutch for those afraid of the dark and death, and who do not have the inner strength to face adversity.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#183241 Nov 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Apologies for butting in, but DavidQuinn appears to be a robot-- he always posts the exact same SPAM and has been doing so for some time.
I was mildly interested in the book the **first** time I saw the post-- but I then saw the **exact** same post repeated on all the atheist threads? Word-for-word?
I lost interest in the book. He's become a kind of "anti-promotion" for the book...
I am always pleased to see your replies to me, and also your intelligent discussions with other folks.(not so pleased when you waste time with the idiots). it helps to get tips about how not to waste time following up on someone's suggestion. I do appreciate being given key words and not a link however, because I often do not trust the link if I do not know or trust the linker. So look up Rachel Maddow Hagee Bush apocalyptic (or however it is spelled), and maybe you will find a link to her show - or else try her at msnbc, which I understand has a nifty new webpage. she has a fabulous research staff - her intros to her stories are full of historical background and context.
also look for the news regarding the Virginia Attorney General race, which has not been declared yet because of uncounted ballots and a chance of a recount. The GOP candidate is a minor league version of Cuccinelli, I think. I also think Chris Christie is a lightweight, and is only being promoted because the press with any brains are a bit worried about the nutcases from the south and Santorum, and because he is a big personality that they can rev up viewers with. I think Barbara Buono was right about him and about the Democratic party bosses who made deals with him. The younger voters voted for her, I noticed.
LCNLin

United States

#183242 Nov 9, 2013
So many posts
filled with
self centered atheist
mumbo jumbo LOL

What a way to waste a life?

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