Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181973 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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But it depends on what you mean by “hard” science. If you are referring to pseudo science then I’m a skeptic.
So. You do not believe in anything that's in the Bible?

Good! That is progress!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181974 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Thank you Doctor,[hand shake].
I don’t believe in a global flood as we interpret the meaning of a global world today.
But understand in those biblical times their world was not this massive ball rotating in space on it’s axis as we see it today.
It was limited to a few hundred if not few thousand miles as they knew it. Land exploration and ocean voyage exploration had not even began in those times.
And their world as they knew it flooded.
When will you stop?

At what point, will you re-write the bible, so that the entire thing is just allegorical?

Hmmm?

Story by story-- you are slowly eroding it from a book of facts, into a book of fables.

... interesting.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181975 Oct 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Does not matter: it would have sunk within a half an hour, as soon as the waves began to twist the planks in the hull-- water rushing in, from all the leaks, would have sunk it in short order.
*glug*
*glug*
*glug*
*glug*
*glug*
... poor Incestuous Noah... drowned like a TeaBagger at a Science Fair....
You know that in WWII they made concrete ships. If a concrete ship can float, I bet a barge made of wood can too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_ship

Concrete ships are ships built of steel and ferrocement (reinforced concrete) instead of more traditional materials, such as steel or wood. The advantage of ferrocement construction is that materials are cheap and readily available, while the disadvantages are that construction labor costs are high, as are operating costs.(Ferrocement ships require thick hulls, which means extra mass to push and less space for cargo.) During the late 19th century, there were concrete river barges in Europe, and during both World War I and World War II, steel shortages led the US military to order the construction of small fleets of ocean-going concrete ships, the largest of which was the SS Selma.[1] Few concrete ships were completed in time to see wartime service during World War I, but during 1944 and 1945, concrete ships and barges were used to support U.S. and British invasions in Europe and the Pacific. Since the late 1930s, there have also been ferrocement pleasure boats
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181976 Oct 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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And wood **flexes** and **twists**.
The ark would have sunk within 1/2 an hour-- at **best**.
*glug*
*glug*
*glug*
*glug*
.. poor Noah and his incestuous sons... drowned like a Republican at a Truth Rally.
[laughing]

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181977 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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And neither did the Ark. It was a expendable one time use vehicle with a short life.
Did not matter-- they did not have modern building tools either.

The planks could **not** have been smooth enough to keep water out-- and he had no access to modern sealants.

No iron nails.

Not even copper ones-- those are all post-ark Era inventions.

A wooden boat, constructed to the bible's specs?

Would have sunk in short order.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181978 Oct 29, 2013
It's getting late and I've had a great time.

I love all you Atheist.

good night

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#181979 Oct 29, 2013
Golly gee. That's 208 earth days by present day standards.

About 30 earth years, in its present location, to a Saturnian year. At this time. So one of those old timers living to 500 years on Saturn would live 15,0000 years on earth. You could almost do some evolving of the species in that time. Old Adam lived almost twice that long, others longer, I think.

Oh, well, time is relative.

I wonder where the recorder of all this history was sitting at.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181980 Oct 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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It's entirely possible to build seaworthy boats 400 miles long , as long as you use Gopher trees.:)
Magic?

Okay... magic it is-- it would **have** to be.

A wooden boat built according to the bible would have sunk in short order.

Modern seaworthy tests have proven this for multiple reasons.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181981 Oct 29, 2013
Anon wrote:
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/world/europe/jo...
Here's a reconstruction of your freaking ark. Don't drool on your shirt.
I'm done with this. I can't engage in an asinine discussion about the existence of the ark, a myth so riddled with loopholes that it's beyond laughable.
Which has a steel frame... imagine that? A **welded** steel frame was required to make this boondoggle work....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181982 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Long enough to be saved.
About 30 minutes? Because that is the maximum time it could remain afloat...

...what with all the leaks, the foundering, the capsizing that was going on...

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#181983 Oct 29, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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No, it was a ship.
Noun: ship
1. A vessel that carries passengers or freight
Verb: ship (shipped,shipping)
1. Move goods commercially
2. Hire for work on a ship
3. Go on board
4. Travel by ship
5. Place on board a ship
6. Take in water over the sides of a boat
Other:-ship
1. Office or profession
2. Skill in something
3. State or condition
WordWeb Pro 7.02
"Make thee an ark of gopher wood;"

"b : something that affords protection and safety "

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ark

I think that was the intent, not a Caribbean cruise or shipment of date palms to China..

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181984 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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You know that in WWII they made concrete ships. If a concrete ship can float, I bet a barge made of wood can too.
They also experimented with ice-hulled ships-- the ice was strengthened with sawdust. Look it up-- it's real. "pyrocrete" I think it was called.

But.

Ancient building tools would not have permitted the high precision needed to keep the hull-planks from leaking, plank-to-plank.

And?

A **wooden** boat that **long**? Would twist under each and every wave-- just enough to open the seams, and let the water come boiling in... like...

.... a flood.

*glug*
*glug*
*glug*

... poor Noah sunk like the bankrupt dreams of Mitt The Twitt Romney.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#181985 Oct 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Magic?
Okay... magic it is-- it would **have** to be.
A wooden boat built according to the bible would have sunk in short order.
Modern seaworthy tests have proven this for multiple reasons.
They didn't use Gopher wood then..:)

Did they?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181986 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You know that in WWII they made concrete ships. If a concrete ship can float, I bet a barge made of wood can too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_ship
Concrete ships are ships built of steel and ferrocement (reinforced concrete) instead of more traditional materials, such as steel or wood. The advantage of ferrocement construction is that materials are cheap and readily available, while the disadvantages are that construction labor costs are high, as are operating costs.(Ferrocement ships require thick hulls, which means extra mass to push and less space for cargo.) During the late 19th century, there were concrete river barges in Europe, and during both World War I and World War II, steel shortages led the US military to order the construction of small fleets of ocean-going concrete ships, the largest of which was the SS Selma.[1] Few concrete ships were completed in time to see wartime service during World War I, but during 1944 and 1945, concrete ships and barges were used to support U.S. and British invasions in Europe and the Pacific. Since the late 1930s, there have also been ferrocement pleasure boats
A ship will float,**IF** the total weigh of the ship, it's contents, and everything else, is **less** than the weight of the **water** that it displaces.

That is very old news-- known to ship builders since there have been ships.

So the material is irrelevant, really-- it is possible to make a small vessel out of lead sheeting, if you like.

You'd just have to make the volume of water that is displaced weigh **more** than the **total** weight of the boat in question.

In short? Hollow rocks could conceivably float-- and indeed-- some do-- there are certain igneous rocks that are formed from high-stress volcanic action, which contain mostly pockets of gas inside--they are porous like a sponge, but a closed-cell sponge. And so, such rocks, if on the smallish side, will float.

It's not rocket science, here-- but it **is** ship-building science.

And science has proven beyond a doubt, that a **wood** boat built as the bible describes, is simply not seaworthy.

Experimental testing has shown this to be true--without a doubt.

That leaves?

Magic as your **only** and last resort....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181987 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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[laughing]
:)

At least you have a healthy sense of humor.

A toast, Mr Eagle 12-- to your sense of humor.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#181988 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"Make thee an ark of gopher wood;"
"b : something that affords protection and safety "
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ark
I think that was the intent, not a Caribbean cruise or shipment of date palms to China..

You can only get Gopher wood from....Gophers.

When you can get Gophers to sell you some wood.

You can build an ark.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181989 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
It's getting late and I've had a great time.
I love all you Atheist.
good night
G'night Eagle-- it's been interesting at least. And I'm gratified I got you to laugh, if only the one time.

:)

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#181990 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Reverting to cheap insults tells me that you’re frustrated and lacking in a serious response. I’m sorry that’s the case.
Have you ever heard of news?
News has been traveling on foot for thousands of years.
You don’t think news traveled in ancient days?
Something you also haven’t considered. The world population was not what it is today. No one actually knows the number because census didn’t take place. But it is safe to assume that it was only a fraction of what it is today.
More insults are welcome because it is a sign your frustration is growing.
You are correct, I get very frustrated with people who are deliberately obtuse.

For you to claim that everyone in the world knew something is, quite literally, insane.

Even today, it is impossible for everyone in the world to have the same knowledge of a singular piece of news.

Barack Obama is President of the United States. Man walked on the moon. Princess Diana was killed in a tunnel in Paris. Apple makes computers. The Beatles made music….Everyone in the world knows these things, right? No. Believe it or not, there are people in the world who don't know these things. Who will never know these things. Who are born, will live and die without ever knowing things.

Therefore, when you say "everyone in the world know ANYTHING" you are either deliberately lying or extremely lacking in intelligence.

“Get it right”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#181991 Oct 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
They also experimented with ice-hulled ships-- the ice was strengthened with sawdust. Look it up-- it's real. "pyrocrete" I think it was called.
But.
Ancient building tools would not have permitted the high precision needed to keep the hull-planks from leaking, plank-to-plank.
And?
A **wooden** boat that **long**? Would twist under each and every wave-- just enough to open the seams, and let the water come boiling in... like...
.... a flood.
*glug*
*glug*
*glug*
... poor Noah sunk like the bankrupt dreams of Mitt The Twitt Romney.
I wonder just how big that boat would have had to have been to actually carry two of everything... millions of sepcies of beetles...hmmmm....doesn't seem 40 feet would have been anywhere near big enough.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181992 Oct 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> They didn't use Gopher wood then..:)
Did they?
Well, obviously Gopher wood is **magic** wood that has the tensile strength of titanium, the density of balsawood and the stiffness of cobalt steal alloy.

Superman could not have punched through that ark-- it was that strong.

And Noah? He used it **all** up, causing the Gopher wood trees to all go extinct.

Damn you Noah! The world could have **used** that wood!

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