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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181048 Oct 22, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Four kids ?
They know you are a moron now. They still love you.
,

Two kids Homey, one has three degrees. Even has a graduate degree in Science. They're both adults and productive people in society. One is an educator and the other a surgical nurse.

So I paid dearly for education. Yes I’m proud they are smarter than me. That’s the way it is supposed to work. When kids are dumber than the parent. Life is nothing but havoc.

So who is smarter in your family. You or the kids?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181049 Oct 22, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I have known Eagle for a long time, even before he changed his Topix name.
No, he's not 12 years old, he's a retired fuddy duddy.
And a simpleton.
Watch, he'll tip his hat to me for this.
Lol,[Tipping Hat with a smile]

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#181050 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Two kids Homey, one has three degrees. Even has a graduate degree in Science. They're both adults and productive people in society. One is an educator and the other a surgical nurse.
So I paid dearly for education. Yes I’m proud they are smarter than me. That’s the way it is supposed to work. When kids are dumber than the parent. Life is nothing but havoc.
So who is smarter in your family. You or the kids?
Yet, you are still an ignorant buffoon bashing the educated.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#181051 Oct 22, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I have known Eagle for a long time, even before he changed his Topix name.
No, he's not 12 years old, he's a retired fuddy duddy.
And a simpleton.
Watch, he'll tip his hat to me for this.
:)
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181052 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor you have no proof of the evolution of man.
Man has like 206 bones. Yet when you look at the evidence going back 6 millions years. All you find is less than 10% of the bones of even just one alleged human. The rest if filled in with imagination and speculation.
Paleontologist have found nearly intact skeletons of dinosaurs. These skeletons are much older than 6 million years. Where are all these fossils of man from the beginning to modern times?
If you threw out the artist conceptions and sculptures. You would have nothing. And you almost have nothing now. Do you remember Lucy? Also known as AL 288-1.
40 % of the bones of Lucy was found. It look like it had been run over by a dump truck because many of those bones were just fragments. Lucy was paraded around as being a direct link to modern humans. The missing link sort of speak. Come to find out Lucy might have been Luke. And Luke was an Ape and not some human mix.
You really need to stop reading shit from creationists web sites and deal with REAL science. Just a suggestion.

Examples of evolution that are readily apparent include the fact that modern populations are evolving and the fact that two closely related species share a common ancestor. The evidence that Homo sapiens and chimpanzees share a recent common ancestor falls into this category. There is so much evidence in support of this aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word "fact."
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181053 Oct 22, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Yet, you are still an ignorant buffoon bashing the educated.
Why thank you. We do try to do our best. I'm glad you liked it.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181054 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor you have no proof of the evolution of man.
Man has like 206 bones. Yet when you look at the evidence going back 6 millions years. All you find is less than 10% of the bones of even just one alleged human. The rest if filled in with imagination and speculation.
Paleontologist have found nearly intact skeletons of dinosaurs. These skeletons are much older than 6 million years. Where are all these fossils of man from the beginning to modern times?
If you threw out the artist conceptions and sculptures. You would have nothing. And you almost have nothing now. Do you remember Lucy? Also known as AL 288-1.
40 % of the bones of Lucy was found. It look like it had been run over by a dump truck because many of those bones were just fragments. Lucy was paraded around as being a direct link to modern humans. The missing link sort of speak. Come to find out Lucy might have been Luke. And Luke was an Ape and not some human mix.
This is an example of the kinds of people who write the creationists shit you are reading Stop it before it rots your brain!!!

Kelly Segraves
(b. 1942)
Kelly Segraves is the director and co-founder of the Creation-Science Research Center (not to be confused with the Creation Research Society).
In 1975, Segraves listed himself as M.A. and D.Sc. on CSRC letterhead. Segraves claimed his honorary D.Sc. from Christian University, but no such university could be located. It is possible that he was referring to Indiana Christian University, which also conferred an honorary doctorate on Harold Slusher (see below). After having this degree called into question, Segraves dropped the D.Sc. in 1981 and now lists D.R.E. in its place. A D.R.E. degree is a doctorate of religious education and does not qualify as a scientific degree.

Segraves also claims to have received his M.A. from Sequoia University in 1972. According to Bears' Guide [1], Sequoia University was issued a permanent injunction in 1984 by a Los Angeles judge and ordered to "cease operation until the school could comply with state education laws." The school offered degrees in osteopathic medicine, religious studies, hydrotherapy and physical sciences.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181055 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor you have no proof of the evolution of man.
Man has like 206 bones. Yet when you look at the evidence going back 6 millions years. All you find is less than 10% of the bones of even just one alleged human. The rest if filled in with imagination and speculation.
Paleontologist have found nearly intact skeletons of dinosaurs. These skeletons are much older than 6 million years. Where are all these fossils of man from the beginning to modern times?
If you threw out the artist conceptions and sculptures. You would have nothing. And you almost have nothing now. Do you remember Lucy? Also known as AL 288-1.
40 % of the bones of Lucy was found. It look like it had been run over by a dump truck because many of those bones were just fragments. Lucy was paraded around as being a direct link to modern humans. The missing link sort of speak. Come to find out Lucy might have been Luke. And Luke was an Ape and not some human mix.
See what happens when you read creationists bullshit, you become totally MISINFORMED.

Where are all the fossils of man 6 million years ago? There weren't any. Modern man is only 200,000 years old. There is a difference between hominids and what is considered "modern man." The Smithsonian Institute refers to the "first man" as being 3 million years old. So 6 million years ago they find hominid fossils, probably more ape than man.

Do yourself a HUGE favor, go to www.talkorigins.com It is there you will discover REAL science and not articles by moonbats posing as scientists.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181056 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor you have no proof of the evolution of man.
Man has like 206 bones. Yet when you look at the evidence going back 6 millions years. All you find is less than 10% of the bones of even just one alleged human. The rest if filled in with imagination and speculation.
Paleontologist have found nearly intact skeletons of dinosaurs. These skeletons are much older than 6 million years. Where are all these fossils of man from the beginning to modern times?
If you threw out the artist conceptions and sculptures. You would have nothing. And you almost have nothing now. Do you remember Lucy? Also known as AL 288-1.
40 % of the bones of Lucy was found. It look like it had been run over by a dump truck because many of those bones were just fragments. Lucy was paraded around as being a direct link to modern humans. The missing link sort of speak. Come to find out Lucy might have been Luke. And Luke was an Ape and not some human mix.
This would be YOU!!!

There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--th ey know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181057 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor you have no proof of the evolution of man.
Man has like 206 bones. Yet when you look at the evidence going back 6 millions years. All you find is less than 10% of the bones of even just one alleged human. The rest if filled in with imagination and speculation.
Paleontologist have found nearly intact skeletons of dinosaurs. These skeletons are much older than 6 million years. Where are all these fossils of man from the beginning to modern times?
If you threw out the artist conceptions and sculptures. You would have nothing. And you almost have nothing now. Do you remember Lucy? Also known as AL 288-1.
40 % of the bones of Lucy was found. It look like it had been run over by a dump truck because many of those bones were just fragments. Lucy was paraded around as being a direct link to modern humans. The missing link sort of speak. Come to find out Lucy might have been Luke. And Luke was an Ape and not some human mix.
The proof for the evolution of man can be found in our DNA, in our fossil records, and can be observed is any Science Museum in the world. That you reject something that is factual speaks to your inability to recognize evidence. This inability or refusal is fueled by your religious beliefs and further makes my point about how dangerous religion is. That you would completely reject scientific facts because it conflicts with your religious beliefs is absurd. I have NO idea how you justify this rejection of what mainstream science views as factual. You MUST believe one of two things, either 99.9% of all scientist world wide are completely wrong, or you believe there is some kind of world-wide conspiracy to discredit your religious beliefs. You do realize that either of these two option makes you appear totally insane, right!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181058 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I got it now, Atheism is lack of a belief in deities.
So is a bag of rocks.
I’m not saying your as dumb of a bag of rocks. I really don’t want to believe that. But you are trying to convince me you’re dumb as rocks.
Well I guess I’ll take your word for it since it is your word. Who would know how better how smart you are than you and of course that bag of rocks.
So is a bog of rocks? So is a rainbow, a waterfall, sunsetting over the ocean on a balmy evening, the awe inspiring night sky filled with trillions of stars and galaxies, a new born baby, and every animal on the face of the planet.

In trying your best to be a smart ass, you've made yourself look the complete fool!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181059 Oct 22, 2013
very well wrote:
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There is absolutely ZERO percent chance that evilution occurred. Think harder, desperate atheist.
Says the mer child with absolutely no scientific education. You do know that one of the worst traits a person can have is being willfully ignorant. One of two possibilities exists here, you are unable to read, or your have no comprehension skills whatsoever. Which is it? Of course I don't want to be rude, but there is another possibility, could it be that you are just plain stupid? OH, I forgot another possibility, that you're a troll, no one could possibly be that stupid.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181060 Oct 22, 2013
JPo wrote:
"Faith" is just the confidence you have in one that you have experience or evidence about. It's not "belief in something for which there is no evidence." In the ancient Greek, it was a noun-like verb that was usually towards a person. A soldier may have faith in a commander because of the many things he's heard and experienced with that commander.
So let's say you're an atheist who believes evolution explains the origin of man. If you have no expertise in evolutionary biology where do you derive your "belief" and "confidence?" From those you read and hear regarding the subject. You have "faith" in them and their expertise based on what you read and hear from them or their work.
We all have faith in things for which we have no expertise. The confidence we have is no less evidential. It's what we learn, know, and hear that builds that faith.
Wrong,"faith" is whats need when there is NO evidence. When the word faith is used in relationship to religion it is always used in that context. You are confusing faith with TRUST. A soldier has TRUST in his commander.

If you have no expertise in evolutionary biology, you can at least educate yourself to the point where you don't have to use Faith. I TRUST what evolutionary biologists tell me. It is what we know, and learn builds knowledge not faith. I don't have faith in anything in my life, I have trust, trust in things for which I have evidence.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181061 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Again I'm asking, who came first, male or female? Regaurdless what science is involved, I would just love to have a real answer. Or did twins of the opposite sex hatch?
Are you also saying evolution is not involved in abiogenesis?
That is correct, evolution and abiogenesis are two completely different processes. Evolution is hereditary changes in a population over a long period of time, and abiogenesis is the process where life comes from non-lliving elements, there is NO connection. See how wonderful and empowered one can be with knowledge!!!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181062 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No mythical being Doctor. But a real engineer, designer and architect. All in one.
Of course he's a MYTH, he fits the definition perfectly......MYTH.."A traditional stroy concerning early history of a people or explaining some natural of social phenomenon and typically involving a SUPERNATURAL BEING of event. A perfect example of God.

A real engineer and designer you say?......I'd more likely call him a hack. He gave the bird of prey the superior eyes sight, the canines the superior sense of smell, the felines excellent night vision, turtles a hard shell for protection, we slip and fall we can be killed, great design eh? He gave the whales and dolphins one hole to breath from and one to eat, he gave us one, so thousands of us can choke to death eating, great design eh?

Of course there is NO grand designer, all the animals I mention got those advantages through evolution.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#181063 Oct 22, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Female.
If you want specifics then pay for a university education like the rest of us.
Zing.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#181064 Oct 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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....
Are you also saying evolution is not involved in abiogenesis?
Are you saying that the doorknob is not involved in the potato?

Makes about as much sense as your question.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#181065 Oct 22, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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I read your post but all I saw was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Cgb-JDLIOG0XX
Thanks for the belly laugh.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#181066 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor you have no proof of the evolution of man.
Man has like 206 bones. Yet when you look at the evidence going back 6 millions years. All you find is less than 10% of the bones of even just one alleged human. The rest if filled in with imagination and speculation.
Paleontologist have found nearly intact skeletons of dinosaurs. These skeletons are much older than 6 million years. Where are all these fossils of man from the beginning to modern times?
If you threw out the artist conceptions and sculptures. You would have nothing. And you almost have nothing now. Do you remember Lucy? Also known as AL 288-1.
40 % of the bones of Lucy was found. It look like it had been run over by a dump truck because many of those bones were just fragments. Lucy was paraded around as being a direct link to modern humans. The missing link sort of speak. Come to find out Lucy might have been Luke. And Luke was an Ape and not some human mix.
You don’t know much about palaeontology, human evolution and evolution in general do you?

When was the last time you saw a fossil of a human sized dinosaur? Fossils for only the larger dinosaurs (which incidentally are far bore substantial than humans) are so complete, the smaller ones including human size are not and often other methods of discovering that they existed need be used.

I believe I have told you this before but for some reason you seem to have ignored it, can’t for the life of me think why. My hobby is the study of Cro-Magnon man, i.e. the study of early humans dating between about 18 to 50 thousand years ago. I actually spent part of this summer investigating a grave site approximately dated 55,000 years ago.

Fossilised remains of very early homo sapiens have been found dating up to 200,000 years ago

There is evidence that human evolution can be traced back in an unbroken line of findings back to Homo habilis about 2.5 million years ago. More sketchy but the gaps are irrelevant to all but the most ardent goddidit by magic bot we can go back to Australopithecus anamensis about 4.2 million years ago.

Note, I spent some time studying Lucy, no mention of missing link except by fundi goddidit bots looking for a cop out. Note, you are an ape, so where’s the problem?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181068 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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You believe in “Forrest Gump’s” theory of abogenesis.
“Sh*t Happens.”
I think you have me confused with a Christian. That's the genesis version give or take some dust, a rib, and a magic sky pixie (you'll find that you'll generally get as much respect from me as you give).

The hypothesis I embrace is much more detailed and complex than your Jesus Gump magical version (good name, by the way! can I steal it?), and it's only in its infancy.

Put your bible down for a minute and learn something:
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/07/what-...
Eagle 12 wrote:
I’m a little more scientific than that Doctor.
No you're not.
Eagle 12 wrote:
The run of life on earth is far too complex to have just “happened.”
But not your god, huh? "Shit# like gods "happening" uncreated and without cause are just fine with you, right?

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