Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#180659 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Thatís something I didnít know, that you attended church.
Thereís nothing wrong with having friends you love. But I want to ask you a question. Do you see yourself being a lesbian for the rest of your life? Even as you are in your elderly years?
I donít judge you for thatís not my place. People change over time and relationships come and go. But what will be your future 20, 30 or even 40 years from now? Will you be happy or will you look back and have heartfelt regrets?
Well lets see. You're a grandfather, right? Have you ever looked back and wished you had been gay?

Contrary to what you may have heard, being homosexual isn't a choice, Eagle. It's not something I can change even if I wanted to. I'm happy the way I am.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180660 Oct 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Being a virgin in heaven would NOT be paradise for virgins!
Picture this - you live a perfect life your chaste, you die - you go to heaven a Muslim virgin woman only to be repeatedly raped over and over by martyrs awaiting their 72 biggies each!
Now all that's what I call a great faith!
I doubt Muslim women share the same enthusiasm.
Isn't religion great?
If this religious nonsense were true...
(A postcard to me, delivered by an angel from paradise would suffice as evidence)
I would convert to a Muslim, fly a jet into a mega televangelist church, destroy the infidels inside and gain my 72 virgins in paradise!
I would even go to a Christian orphanage and offer them a free 747 airplane ride!
Who knows when dabbling in superstition anything is possible. Those extra kiddies my gain me another 25 virgins!
Or do I sign up?
Lol
ďBeing a virgin in heaven would NOT be paradise for virgins!Ē

ďI doubt Muslim women share the same enthusiasm.
Isn't religion great?Ē

Maybe thereís going to be a flip flop and the men will be the virgins and the women will be the men. Payback?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180661 Oct 19, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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What about them?
Upstanding world class citizens and staunch supporters of human rights. Of course Atheism was a part of their communist ideology. Thatís why they were such human rights champions.
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#180662 Oct 19, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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What about them?
Easy answer.

Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people.

If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.

Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.

"Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation."
~Karl Marx

If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?

That dog won't hunt.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180663 Oct 19, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Well lets see. You're a grandfather, right? Have you ever looked back and wished you had been gay?
Contrary to what you may have heard, being homosexual isn't a choice, Eagle. It's not something I can change even if I wanted to. I'm happy the way I am.
I love women. They are by far the most beautiful thing ever made.

I donít think society will ever fully understand homosexuality. Mainly because any research thatís done is always going to be biased. But based on my personal observations I know some are apt to be born that way.

But I also believe more than two thirds are that way because of social environmental factors. I had a friend of the family that was the only male in his family. His mother divorced his father and she had the children. He was raised with his mother and three sisters. He grew up gay and was one of the first to die of full blown AIDS.

I believe it would have been different if he had been raised with his Father.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180664 Oct 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Easy answer.
Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people.
If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.
Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.
"Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation."
~Karl Marx
If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?
That dog won't hunt.
That's why over 200 million of their people died under their broken communist ideology that embraced Atheism. Many of those millions were murdered. So if you can't beat them, kill them. And that's what they did.

Freedom is about having a choice. Without it one is not free.
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#180665 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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ďBeing a virgin in heaven would NOT be paradise for virgins!Ē
ďI doubt Muslim women share the same enthusiasm.
Isn't religion great?Ē
Maybe thereís going to be a flip flop and the men will be the virgins and the women will be the men. Payback?
Who knows?

It is certain there are literally thousands of Gods and religions.
Not one is FACT based. All demand FAITH and subservience.

Try to really think about what paradise is - conceptually regarding your own family.

SCENARIO 1 of 1000's

You have a 3 beautiful girls. 4, 10 and 17.
The youngest is killed when your teenager backed the car over her.
This is the greatest tragedy in your family life.
The pain is unbearable and will never abate until you die.
Your are heartbroken with guilt, even though it was truly a terrible accident and your were powerless to prevent it.
You die 40 years later and achieve paradise.
Will your daughter be a grown woman with children?
Has she been watching you?
Who raised her during the 40 years?
Will she age?
How about more recent aunt, uncle, etc.?
Will your entire bloodline, that has achieved paradise join in a family get together? There would be tens of thousands!
Who cooks or is food unnecessary?
Are there toilets?
Pets?
Cars?

We can discuss virgins later!

Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#180666 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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That's why over 200 million of their people died under their broken communist ideology that embraced Atheism. Many of those millions were murdered. So if you can't beat them, kill them. And that's what they did.
Freedom is about having a choice. Without it one is not free.
Feeble attempt to link atheism with communist atrocities!
Tsk Tsk - Epic Fail!

Once again you are in error due to lack of historical knowledge on the subject.

When Stalin was sixteen, he received a scholarship to attend the Georgian Orthodox Tiflis Spiritual Seminary in Tbilisi.

Although his performance had been satisfactory, he was expelled in 1899 after missing his final exams. The seminary's records also suggest that he was unable to pay his tuition fees.

The official Soviet version states that he was expelled for reading illegal literature and for forming a Social Democratic study circle
Around this time, Stalin discovered the writings of Vladimir Lenin and decided to become a Marxist revolutionary, eventually joining the Bolsheviks in 1903 and becoming one of their chief operatives in the Caucasus.

Theists hold up Communism and Nazism, along with the regime of the Cambodian tyrant Pol Pot, as evidence of murderous "atheist" tyrannies that have caused the deaths of tens of millions.

While it may be true that Communism portrayed itself as "godless," it did not wage war in the name of atheism, nor were its founders and leaders raised as atheists.

They were, in fact, preponderantly Jewish and Christian.

Communist Manifesto writer Karl Marx was born a Jew, the grandson of two rabbis, and was converted to Christianity at age 6.

Leon Trotsky, whose real name was Lev Bronstein, was born and raised a Jew but later declared himself "an internationalist."

Josef Stalin's "very religious" mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly "damaged by violence" while being "raised in a poor priest-ridden household."

As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more.

As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks, "During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected." Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin's immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin's life.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#180667 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I just donít know what side of History I want to be on with it comes to the Atomic Bomb. It was a different time and mindset for the American people. It was a history I inherited when I was born. The same as with the civil war.
Could there have been alternate places for the A-Bomb such as Okinawa or one of the Japanese Islands that was predominantly military?
President Truman was not the Pope or a religious leader. He was the President of the United States, a politician. The headlines at the time did not say,ďChristian President ordered A-Bomb dropped on Japan.Ē
I donít deny God can be cruel and indifferent. He can hate or love you. The firstborn dying in Egypt broke the camels back. That was the end of being slaves by the Hebrews. Until prior to WWII.
I would think you would want to be on the side of history that saved millions of our young men and women. The entire population of our core 17-25 year olds was at stake had we continued the war and attempted to invade the Japanese homeland.

I only responded to you about the President being a Christian because you said I was wrong about a Christian being responsible for dropping the bomb.

A God that can be cruel, indifferent, and can HATE, is not a God worthy of worship. Notice how all of these traits are human traits. Do you really think a God should possess the same failings as humans? In humans, these are extremely undesirable traits, and societies scorns people with these traits. Doesn't it almost seem as thought God was designed by humans possessing all the faults and failing of humans, and designed specifically by men. The misogyny contained in the bible kind of supports that idea with the word of God actually written by frustrated sexists old men.

Since: Apr 09

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#180668 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Upstanding world class citizens and staunch supporters of human rights. Of course Atheism was a part of their communist ideology. Thatís why they were such human rights champions.
So it was their communist ideology that was the problem, not being atheist.

So you were lying before.

Yeah, we know.
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#180669 Oct 19, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the two most "Christian" cities in Japan, especially Nagasaki.
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Did that old fool say "christian"?
He meant Crispy.
Krispy Kreme Kristians?

Was the HOT light on?

Since: Apr 09

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#180670 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I love women. They are by far the most beautiful thing ever made.
I donít think society will ever fully understand homosexuality. Mainly because any research thatís done is always going to be biased. But based on my personal observations I know some are apt to be born that way.
But I also believe more than two thirds are that way because of social environmental factors. I had a friend of the family that was the only male in his family. His mother divorced his father and she had the children. He was raised with his mother and three sisters. He grew up gay and was one of the first to die of full blown AIDS.
I believe it would have been different if he had been raised with his Father.
You're a complete f*cking idiot.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#180671 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote>

"I donít deny God can be cruel and indifferent. He can hate or love you. The firstborn dying in Egypt broke the camels back. That was the end of being slaves by the Hebrews. Until prior to WWII."

I fully expect you to NOT castigate me for calling your God a demon God or referring to him as an evil murdering thug, as you have just admitted to such.

Yes, that may have been the end to the Hebrew's being slaves in Egypt, but your God still supported people having slaves for the next 2000 years.

Of course this is a meaningless conversation as this story is simply a myth. There was no wanderings in the desert by the Hebrews. Israeli archeologists have found absolutely no evidence that this happened. No archeologists worked harder than the Israeli's as any evidence found, even the smallest piece of evidence would validate their claim to that region.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#180672 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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You probably have never been to a church. You should at least go one time. People are nice and friendly. The doors are only locked when thereís no services ongoing. It would be against fire safety codes to lock people inside.
We have a great time. Friends, family and visitors gather and enjoy fellowship together. Then there is some of the finest music you could ever hear with musicians playing. Then the worship time followed by some preaching. You know people go because they want to go and they have a good time.
Over the years strong friendships develop. The kids grow up with life long friends and the adults too.
You can do the same thing with any social club, or golf club, or marina. The Marina I belong to has the same advantages as your church minus the cruel and indifferent God thing at its center. We don't have to tell the children lies and brainwash them into thinking about mythical beings and magical places. We don't even scare them into sleepless nights with visions of people writhing in agony.

There is NO advantage that going to church has over any other form of social club or gathering, NO advantage at all. There is NOTHING the Thesis can do that can't be done in a purely secular setting.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#180673 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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That's why over 200 million of their people died under their broken communist ideology that embraced Atheism. Many of those millions were murdered. So if you can't beat them, kill them. And that's what they did.
Freedom is about having a choice. Without it one is not free.
A little history will show you that many of those died because they posed a threat to Stalin's power, not because he simply wanted to kill Theists as you are trying to suggest. He murdered people in his own party many of whom he thought would stand in his way. He saw a valuable resource, a docile flock of religious sheep, easily manipulated and so very gullible. He told them that he could create miracles, could make their crops grow twice and fast and be twice a big, and like all gullible theists they lapped it up.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#180674 Oct 19, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Oh,....Please elaborate, as this is a very vague answer.
If you have no soul, of course you don't understand that.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180675 Oct 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Me either, you take the time to address point by point. I applaud that and always find you're posts interesting.
I've written many pieces over the years and just c/p them as warranted by the content of the post.
When they get insulting... my evil twin emerges, to taunt them, the madder they get, the harder I laugh. Do I stop annoying them? NEVER!
I am Ultra-Liberal, Skeptical, Cynical, Sarcastic, and do care what one mammal on this planet thinks about it.
Am I evil?
nah... some doofus god created that!
:)

Yes-- it's quite amusing to see them descend into the name-game meme, isn't it?

ďI like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.Ē~ Gandhi

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180676 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
God is not something you prove but something you experience.
Indeed. Similar to a sharp blow to the head?

Or perhaps a very high fever?

Maybe it's more akin to an LSD hallucination?

Or is it more like a hit on your crack-pipe?

Other folk say it's more like that feeling you get, right before your car plows into that telephone pole, and you wonder--for a fleeting second-- if you're about to die.

Each of these must be experienced to really understand.

Is your god like those?

If so... that's pretty lame.

Even for you...!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180677 Oct 19, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I do have solid proof of God
<quoted text>Solid proof , as compared to liquid proof.
But does he have any gaseous proof?
LOL!

I would say, the sum of his output is pretty gaseous.

And not in a good way-- more like the gaseous emissions coming from a leaky septic tank.

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180678 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Thatís something I didnít know, that you attended church.
Thereís nothing wrong with having friends you love. But I want to ask you a question. Do you see yourself being a lesbian for the rest of your life? Even as you are in your elderly years?
I donít judge you for thatís not my place. People change over time and relationships come and go. But what will be your future 20, 30 or even 40 years from now? Will you be happy or will you look back and have heartfelt regrets?
Why is it, you godbots, are obsessed with OTHER PEOPLE'S SEX LIFE?

Is it because of the utter and complete lack of one of your own?

Just curious.

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