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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180558 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the two most "Christian" cities in Japan, especially Nagasaki.
All Geman cities were filled with Christians!

The allied air forces leveled them! Including Dresden, Where the greatest loss if life occurred.

WAR has NO RULES.
Kill or be killed. Winner take all.

Hamburg suffered the first known firestorm early in the war courtesy of the British.

So save your pity for the Japanese.
They reaped their own harvest just like the Germans. They had ZERO pity or compassion for prisoners.

And right here at home during the Civil War Gen. Sherman decided that he would burn everything in his path as he cut a path of destruction through Georgia. Livestock were either eaten or destroyed crops were either eaten or burned houses were burned and he quoted to phrase "war is hell".

The southern prisoner of war camp at Andersonville was a true horror worthy of the Nazis.

Although I am reluctant to use this quote...
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

NO WAR HAS EVER BEEN STARTED OVER AN ATHEIST IDEOLOGY.

We cannot say the same for religious wars.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#180559 Oct 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Religion is a huge impediment to moral progress, which depends on reason and compassion. Authoritarian dogma has nothing to offer such discussions, especially the ideas of brutal ancient people.
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Rejecting irrational mythologies is not a moral issue.
Judging the character of the bible god, however, is an excellent exercise in normative ethics even if the god is a fictitious character. Can you think of a more evil creature in all of fiction? Seriously: can you name any creature in all of fiction that has or will do more total harm to more human beings? I can't - not even Satan, who owes his continued existence, his access to man on earth, and his reign in hell to that god.
And how about the ethical validity of a church that defines that as perfect love?
The writings of many ancient authors have had profound influences on our civilization. Usually from one man. The Bible is a collection of several men. The writings of all, including Greek philosophers and Biblical texts have been edited and interpreted differently over the generations, and even ascribed to being ghostwritten.

So an intelligent being would not take such writings too literal. But they would be able to pick out some "truths" in them, if only true to themselves. They would be put in a perspective.

Now, IANS, if you were to get whacked by a wood branch you would likely react with an ouch and some anger, whether it was done accidentally by walking through brush, or by someone trying to tell you to shut up. That is purely a physical reaction which most people can actually overcome the pain of when their expectations are not met. They can then brush it off and call themselves stupid or become aggressive and beat the bush or person up.

Why are you reacting to words from long ago the way you do?
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180560 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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If you can assure us that we will be notified immediately of your spontaneous combustion or very rapid disintegration of your body from inside out perhaps we can work something out. There would likely be a time frame of within 2 months for this to occur. Perhaps that would give you some socially redeeming value, and perhaps your soul at the same time. Do you think such event would be regarded as an example or evidence, or do you think it would be just chalked up to coincidence?
Are you game?
Game? Damn right!
Soles are on shoes... Not in the human body.
Soul is a type of music. Soul is Emotion.
Soul IS NOT a physical item. It does not exist.

Do I fear some type of retribution when I die?
I laugh at the prospect - it's totally ridiculous.
I don't fear any God anymore than I fear Donald Duck.

In fact I can insult God's of ALL types and nothing will happen.

The tooth fairy is more predictable but that is your parents!

Curious - of the over 4000 Christian sects... which one is yours?

Alternately if you're not Catholic then you are truly a "pretender to the throne "!

They wrote the Bible - claim exclusive authorship of it and created the first religion that assumed total power of government.

I'm sorry, I feel religions are just plain silly and unworthy of anything but contempt.

Religion has never united people.
It divides people- into "My god this correct and yours is wrong".

And they're willing to kill each other over this!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180561 Oct 19, 2013
meandyou wrote:
The ability to reason can be used in order to deny God's exixtence or to seek him.
Sure, it's reasonable to seek a god. But reason will not help you find one. Furthermore, reason can be used to rule out the irrational and self-contradictory gods like the Christian god.

Reason suggests that all gods are invented. It informs us that at most one of the gods ever offered but one were made up, which suggests that they all were.
meandyou wrote:
Richard Bamford used that ability to make reason his God.
If that's what you mean by a god - a mental faculty like reason - then you don't require much of a thing to be a god. I think you cheapen the term.

For me, a god must be a independent, sentient, volitional and potent entity.
meandyou wrote:
His foolish search for wisdom has landed him in the land of fools
That's Christian anti-intellectualism speaking. Reason is the enemy of faith and has long been the target of the church:

"Since God has spoken to us it is no longer necessary for us to think." – St Augustine

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180562 Oct 19, 2013
meandyou wrote:
In the process he has spouted a number of bombastic statements for which he provides no evidence.
Even if that were true, what difference would that make to a faith based thinker? Faith has no interest in evidence.
meandyou wrote:
The copies of the bible that have been sold would fill thousands of libraries.
How many copies were bought or read through by their owners? Most of those bibles were purchased by people that profit from them being believed, and given to the people that they would like to see become tithers.
meandyou wrote:
It's teachings are practiced by billions of people.
Some of its "teachings" are practiced by everybody and all of them by nobody. It's best ideas were not original to the bible and are common knowledge in cultures that have never seen it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180563 Oct 19, 2013
meandyou wrote:
It is on the teachings of the bible and belief in God that Wesrern civilization forms it's foundation...magna carta , Declaration of Independence"
How is the Magna Carta related to your bible? The significance of the Magna Carta was that it represented the beginning of the decentralization of power from an absolute monarch to a more egalitarian arrangement - the antithesis of the biblical model of government wherein god, kings, and heads of households all hold power alone.

The Declaration of Independence contradicts your bible, which is all about submission, obedience, meekness, long suffering, and the like -not revolution
meandyou wrote:
Those who believed in God set the foundation for our Health system and medicine.
Your religion gets no credit for the existence of the scientific method nor for any scientific advance. Secular philosophy does.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180564 Oct 19, 2013
meandyou wrote:
When there is a catastrophe it is the Red Cross , founded by a believer , who rushes to their assistance. It is Feed The Chidren , Catholic Charities , Salvation Army and other faith based organizations who tend to the needs of the lesss fortunate.
In the United States, it is the secular government that meets most of the needs of the needy that they cannot meet themselves.
meandyou wrote:
It is the the words of the bible that are written in our Federal building "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and make war no more"
Your bible also says the opposite: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34
meandyou wrote:
It is the " Scales of justice that sre engraved in our Supreme Court
Are you claiming that for your religion as well? What does your bible have to offer us as models of justice? How about hardening pharaoh's heart and then murdering firstborns because of it? How about eternal torture as the punishment for unbelief? How about "I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me" - Exodus 20:5. Those scales of justice?

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#180565 Oct 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
All Geman cities were filled with Christians!
The allied air forces leveled them! Including Dresden, Where the greatest loss if life occurred.
WAR has NO RULES.
Kill or be killed. Winner take all.
Hamburg suffered the first known firestorm early in the war courtesy of the British.
So save your pity for the Japanese.
They reaped their own harvest just like the Germans. They had ZERO pity or compassion for prisoners.
And right here at home during the Civil War Gen. Sherman decided that he would burn everything in his path as he cut a path of destruction through Georgia. Livestock were either eaten or destroyed crops were either eaten or burned houses were burned and he quoted to phrase "war is hell".
The southern prisoner of war camp at Andersonville was a true horror worthy of the Nazis.
Although I am reluctant to use this quote...
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
NO WAR HAS EVER BEEN STARTED OVER AN ATHEIST IDEOLOGY.
We cannot say the same for religious wars.
One atomic bomb in Tokyo would have been immediately effective. Less loss of life, also. Actually, a long blockade would have done the trick. They are an island with no natural resources. There was no real need for an invasion, even less for an atomic bomb.

Politically it was a message sent to the Soviets to not get adventurous in a broken Europe. However, that could have been exhibited is a less graphical example.

Those two cities were just not that strategically important. There were much less populated areas that power could have been demonstrated.

But science had to test it out to further their knowledge of its effects. People are expendable in furthering scientific knowledge.

Europe had been slaughtering each other since man began. Science and technology just made it easier. It was power and control, not religion, that made them so warlike.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#180566 Oct 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Game? Damn right!
Soles are on shoes... Not in the human body.
Soul is a type of music. Soul is Emotion.
Soul IS NOT a physical item. It does not exist.
Do I fear some type of retribution when I die?
I laugh at the prospect - it's totally ridiculous.
I don't fear any God anymore than I fear Donald Duck.
In fact I can insult God's of ALL types and nothing will happen.
The tooth fairy is more predictable but that is your parents!
Curious - of the over 4000 Christian sects... which one is yours?
Alternately if you're not Catholic then you are truly a "pretender to the throne "!
They wrote the Bible - claim exclusive authorship of it and created the first religion that assumed total power of government.
I'm sorry, I feel religions are just plain silly and unworthy of anything but contempt.
Religion has never united people.
It divides people- into "My god this correct and yours is wrong".
And they're willing to kill each other over this!
Your feeling of invincibility will evaporate when your material self does.

Don't confuse the actions of material men with the Creative Force. You can deny men and walk away. You won't do that when you return to what you originated from. The universe formed you on many levels that you aren't aware of yet. Keeping an open mind and not being too sure and noisy of what you don't know would be the wisest course of action.

There is much to be said for crossing bridges when you get to them, but it is very stupid to burn any before you get to them.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180567 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Christians spend untold millions in charity for the poor, uneducated, hungry, shelters, cancer research, children hospitals, building schools, hospitals, water wells, clothing, school supplies, grants, drug rehabs, medicine and the list goes on and on. One would have to have their head in the sand like an ostrich in order not to see it.
So do unbelievers.

What fraction of its total revenues do you suppose the church gives away to the needy? Do you have any data to support any estimate? I do, but it's scant and inconclusive. Do you know what fraction of the money given to Mother Teresa's charities went to helping relive the suffering of the dying poor as was intended by their donors? In America, such data is not published. But it was in Britain, where such matters are routinely audited and published. Take a guess. You'll be shocked.
Eagle 12 wrote:
Yet Atheist charities are practically non existent in comparison. Does that sound like love for his fellow man?
The proper term is secular charities, and they dwarf the church.
Eagle 12 wrote:
Gays- They don’t have to stay in the closet but for goodness sake keep it in the bedroom with the doors locked and the curtains pulled.
I don't think you understand what "the closet" means. Nobody has to be in the closet, but many prefer it to dealing with the harsh judgments of a society trained to despise certain types of people. Gays and atheists are each familiar with this. In each case, it is due to the teachings of the Christian church. I have lived at least partly in the atheist closet most of my adult life because atheists are discriminated against.

And yes, I appreciate the civil discourse as well. Thank you.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180568 Oct 19, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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Vader murdered more people than stalin
If we're including fictional characters, Jehovah murdered and will murder more human beings than Vader.He's already nearly sterilized the earth once with a flood, and is said to be planning to do it again with fire.

Worse, Jehovah will keep torturing them forever after they are dead.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180569 Oct 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Alli donde fueras, haz lo que vieras.
I'm stumped, even with Google translate: There where you were, do what you saw. I'd guess it's similar to "Wherever you go, there you are."

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#180570 Oct 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm stumped, even with Google translate: There where you were, do what you saw. I'd guess it's similar to "Wherever you go, there you are."
I would read that as when in Rome do as the Romans do.

Blend in.
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180571 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
One atomic bomb in Tokyo would have been immediately effective. Less loss of life, also. Actually, a long blockade would have done the trick. They are an island with no natural resources. There was no real need for an invasion, even less for an atomic bomb.
Politically it was a message sent to the Soviets to not get adventurous in a broken Europe. However, that could have been exhibited is a less graphical example.
Those two cities were just not that strategically important. There were much less populated areas that power could have been demonstrated.
But science had to test it out to further their knowledge of its effects. People are expendable in furthering scientific knowledge.
Europe had been slaughtering each other since man began. Science and technology just made it easier. It was power and control, not religion, that made them so warlike.
Well said Dave.

Robert Oppenheimer who was in charge of the Manhattan Project - when the "Widget " actually went off... it brought to mind words from the Bhagavad Gita: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.".

http://m.youtube.com/watch...

He knew they had truly opened Pandora's box!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppe...

What IF 9/11 was nukes?
NYC, Washington and surrounding cities

Would this be a considered war of conquest > or religious domination > or total destruction of humanity in order to achieve Muslim paradise?

Muslim martyrs are identical to The Japanese Kamikazes, only the ideology is different.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#180572 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the two most "Christian" cities in Japan, especially Nagasaki.
<quoted text>
I am happy to have given you an excuse to rant, little one.
However, note I said "most". Those were the survivors of persecutions by the government over a long period of time. Christianity had made inroads in Asia a long time ago. Even Japan in the 1500's or before. Christianity is a threat to all authoritarian regimes.
Of course, Dave.

One authoritarian regime is always a threat to another authoritarian regime, Dave.
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180573 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your feeling of invincibility will evaporate when your material self does.
Don't confuse the actions of material men with the Creative Force. You can deny men and walk away. You won't do that when you return to what you originated from. The universe formed you on many levels that you aren't aware of yet. Keeping an open mind and not being too sure and noisy of what you don't know would be the wisest course of action.
There is much to be said for crossing bridges when you get to them, but it is very stupid to burn any before you get to them.
One cannot burn bridges that do not exist other than the imagination.

Heaven, hell, paradise, immortality?
Utter nonsense. Wishful thinking,

Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180574 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
One atomic bomb in Tokyo would have been immediately effective. Less loss of life, also. Actually, a long blockade would have done the trick. They are an island with no natural resources. There was no real need for an invasion, even less for an atomic bomb.
Politically it was a message sent to the Soviets to not get adventurous in a broken Europe. However, that could have been exhibited is a less graphical example.
Those two cities were just not that strategically important. There were much less populated areas that power could have been demonstrated.
But science had to test it out to further their knowledge of its effects. People are expendable in furthering scientific knowledge.
Europe had been slaughtering each other since man began. Science and technology just made it easier. It was power and control, not religion, that made them so warlike.
"But science had to test it out to further their knowledge of its effects. People are expendable in furthering scientific knowledge."

Additionally... ;)

But religion Catholicism , had to test it's dogma out to force their myths on those that did not share the same view.These People were expendable in furthering religious domination.

"The mad heretic" Christopher Columbus did not sail off the edge of the flat Earth as expected.
but he brought the destructive plague of organized religion with him thus destroying the cultures of the Aztecs Mayans the incas and all the Native Americans - but Jesus loves you!

Huge steaming pile of BS!

The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery – of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogrom, burning, pestilence and plague – is incalculable.

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#180575 Oct 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
One cannot burn bridges that do not exist other than the imagination.
Heaven, hell, paradise, immortality?
Utter nonsense. Wishful thinking,
Dave died and turned into green electric vapor while on the "other side".

Then he came back as The Dave Nelson.
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#180576 Oct 19, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave died and turned into green electric vapor while on the "other side".
Then he came back as The Dave Nelson.
Thanks for the update.
I suspected he could be a closet Hindu reincarnated as a JesusRoach©.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#180577 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
One atomic bomb in Tokyo would have been immediately effective. Less loss of life, also. Actually, a long blockade would have done the trick. They are an island with no natural resources. There was no real need for an invasion, even less for an atomic bomb.
Politically it was a message sent to the Soviets to not get adventurous in a broken Europe. However, that could have been exhibited is a less graphical example.
Those two cities were just not that strategically important. There were much less populated areas that power could have been demonstrated.
But science had to test it out to further their knowledge of its effects. People are expendable in furthering scientific knowledge.
Europe had been slaughtering each other since man began. Science and technology just made it easier. It was power and control, not religion, that made them so warlike.
Science did not drop a bomb on hiroshima did, politics did. Get it right you creationist buffoon. When you've proven your god, you won't need to try so hard to try to find fault with science.

What a halfwit! Just focus on proving the god your cult pays you to sell here.

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