Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180471 Oct 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think I know what love is, and I think that I have experienced it. It doesn't involve things like damnation or torture. Nor worship. What kind of love is involved in creating a hell and a devil, or in keeping souls conscious after death just so that they can suffer forever in the service of no legitimate purpose?
I find the Christian notion of love to be quite deformed, and not just what is called the god's love of man. How about the other direction - the love of God by man?
Is not love is a selfless act given for the benefit of the object loved? The Christian's love of god is entirely for the benefit of the one doing what is called loving. That's not authentic love to me, just like loving chocolate ice cream isn't authentic love.
And how about the Christian love of his fellow man? I think it's despicable the way the church scapegoats gays and atheists, driving both into closets by describing them as vile abominations that displease a good god. That's called love, too - you know, "love the sinner, but hate the sin."
Anyway, none of the three seems like love to me, which is why I asked the question, "what is love according to Christianity?"
Is this also hatred of religion, or are these legitimate issues worthy of discussion? Don't people have a legitimate interest in how their neighbors are being taught to think by the tens of millions?
First I commend you for having a decent conversation.

Your first question is legitimate and hard for all of us to understand. But God is a God of extremes. Why he has made such a place of torment is anybodies guess. This I know about him. He couldn’t make just a dozen stars but he went into the extremes and made trillions upon trillions.

He has a extreme angry side to him. Unlike anything you can or ever will imagine. On the other hand he has extreme love for those who wish to repent and surrender their life to him as one of his children. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about hell because I’m not going to be there.

As far as benevolence, Christians spend untold millions in charity for the poor, uneducated, hungry, shelters, cancer research, children hospitals, building schools, hospitals, water wells, clothing, school supplies, grants, drug rehabs, medicine and the list goes on and on. One would have to have their head in the sand like an ostrich in order not to see it.

Yet Atheist charities are practically non existent in comparison. Does that sound like love for his fellow man?

Gays- They don’t have to stay in the closet but for goodness sake keep it in the bedroom with the doors locked and the curtains pulled. I don’t want to hear or know about what’s going on between individuals when it comes to their lifestyle choice. Keep it in the bedroom!!! And stop the ongoing recruitment of kids. I like that song Pink Floyd sings,“Another Brick in the Wall.”

“Hey, Teacher leave those kids alone!”

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! teachers! leave the kids alone!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! teacher! leave us kids alone!
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall.

-smooth guitar solo-

"Wrong, do it again!"
"Wrong, do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. how can you
Have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"you! yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#180472 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I wonder how many consoles RS uses to vote for himself?
Looks like three. The Jeremy Hunt.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
We seem to have rattled his cage :-)
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180473 Oct 18, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Your God is supposed to have hardened Pharaohs heart before the plagues.
Exodus 7
1  And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2  Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
3  And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
4  But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.
5  And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch forth mine hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them.
...
10  And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11  Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12  For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13  And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
This is true, God wanted to break their backs and he did just that. They have never recovered from it. But if Pharoah would have repented and ask God's forgiveness God would have had mercy on Egypt. But Pharoah was too proud, he thought he was a God himself.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180474 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The logical conclusion of that is you must also believe Darth Vader exists.
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"Luke, I am your Father."

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#180475 Oct 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly what I was thinking.
We seem to have rattled his cage :-)
I'm voting him and the other trolls down

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“Move into the light.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#180476 Oct 18, 2013
chipped nails wrote:
Atheists are the most disgusting group of people walking the surface of the planet. They serve no good and are worthless.
Say who?

“Move into the light.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#180477 Oct 18, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I would take Vader over Stalin.
What's the diff?

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#180478 Oct 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What's the diff?
Vader murdered more people than stalin

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180479 Oct 18, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Let's address these one at a time shall we Sir Robert?
The Vatican has spoken out on the subject of the Seven Magnificent Deadly Sins, and has come up with a modernised version of 'things to go to Hell for'.
The original seven sins - Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed and Sloth - have become outdated, says the Vatican, as everyone in the world indulges in those sins every day of their lives.
A new up-to-date list of sins is thought to have been the idea of the Pope himself.
To reflect the state of modern life, the new Seven Magnificent Deadly Sins, as decreed by the Pope, include sins against minorities, as well as against the environment, which is always complaining about being shat upon.
The revised list is:
Pollution.
Calling gay people names like Arse Bandit, Rear Admiral or Cackpipe Cosmonaut.
Kiddyfiddling (unless the kiddyfiddler is a trusted religious person)
Calling Muslims names like ...well...you know, and laughing at their beards.
Drug-taking if you're an athlete (forgiveable after 2 years)
Can't think of one for number 6.
Being a sloth.
Priests have applauded the revision, and say that anyone discovered committing more than four of the sins within a 7-day period, could leave themselves open to Eternal Damnation.
Father Feargal O'Birmingham, a professor of moral theology at the University of Alum Rock, said:
"The world has changed since the original seven deadly sins were written down in 1977. Sins have changed, and we must change with them. It may have been fine to call a faggot a 'faggot' 30 years ago, but that kind of thing is no longer permissible."
LOL!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180480 Oct 18, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Don't they all Bob?
One would imagine with all the Internet information available: that... they would at least make a effort to determine what their religion is - what it originated from - why competing religious ideologies exist.
Sadly, they are so brainwashed, that "thinking" is verboten! "God will get me for that"
If religionists applied reason and science to their faith, their religion would simply die. That's why faith must oppose science for its very survival.
No philosophy, moral outlook, or religion can be inconsistent with the findings of science and hope to endure among educated people.
Yep.

This new InterTubes thingy will be the end of religion as it exists today.

However: I am sad to report that other, equally quack memes will likely persist:

## that Nigerian Princes have infinite wealth, and they desperately wish to share it with an anonymous E-mail recipient.

## that anything in a video **must** be true, because... well... photoshop is a myth, right?

## that Bill Gates is desperate to give away his millions if you would only (pick one) forward this E-mail, forward this photo, re-tweet this tweet

## that the force is a real thing

## that computers can become sentient and Take Over The World

## that State Fair hot dogs really do contain meat

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180481 Oct 18, 2013
movinon09 wrote:
<quoted text>Love is a real feeling it is comparable as a speed of lighting.
And isn't it sad that your Bible-God cannot express love without also expressing abuse and hate as well?

Seven Godly Sins
When god destroys people for not obeying him, it is WRATH
When god punishes people for believing in a different god, it is ENVY
When god lets tragedies and disasters happen of which he could have prevented, it is SLOTH
When god allows anyone to hunger unnecessarily while he has enough for himself, it is GLUTTONY
When god expects his followers to dedicate their lives to worrshipping and praying to him, it is PRIDE
When god insists his followers pay tithes and offerings for his approval, it is GREED
When god intends on being party to every marriage, it is LUST

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180482 Oct 18, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
You are talking about a different God from mine.
The following describes your god perfectly, however:

Seven Godly Sins
When god destroys people for not obeying him, it is WRATH
When god punishes people for believing in a different god, it is ENVY
When god lets tragedies and disasters happen of which he could have prevented, it is SLOTH
When god allows anyone to hunger unnecessarily while he has enough for himself, it is GLUTTONY
When god expects his followers to dedicate their lives to worrshipping and praying to him, it is PRIDE
When god insists his followers pay tithes and offerings for his approval, it is GREED
When god intends on being party to every marriage, it is LUST

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180483 Oct 18, 2013
movinon09 wrote:
<quoted text>UM< all of them. It is going to be a part of government, 9/11, Just like Hitler is to Jews, Catholics and molestation.Ect. Religions should be taught the way Government history is. It is more important to learn religions than it is Presidents. It give children the rights to half truth and justice. To vote at 18 or change your spiritual belief. Not from a cultural view but from the word.
All of them? How about the following facts? Should we include them as well?

Seven Godly Sins
When god destroys people for not obeying him, it is WRATH
When god punishes people for believing in a different god, it is ENVY
When god lets tragedies and disasters happen of which he could have prevented, it is SLOTH
When god allows anyone to hunger unnecessarily while he has enough for himself, it is GLUTTONY
When god expects his followers to dedicate their lives to worrshipping and praying to him, it is PRIDE
When god insists his followers pay tithes and offerings for his approval, it is GREED
When god intends on being party to every marriage, it is LUST

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#180484 Oct 18, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is true, God wanted to break their backs and he did just that. They have never recovered from it. But if Pharoah would have repented and ask God's forgiveness God would have had mercy on Egypt. But Pharoah was too proud, he thought he was a God himself.
There is no evidence outside of the Bible for Moses or the Israelites living in Egypt.
There is no evidence for a mass exodus from Egypt.
There is no evidence that any Pharaoh or any Egyptian army drowned.
It took Alexander the Great to break Egypt.

How could Pharaoh possibly repent when God was hardening his heart after every plague?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180485 Oct 18, 2013
meandyou wrote:
<bullshit deleted>
Seven Godly Sins
When god destroys people for not obeying him, it is WRATH
When god punishes people for believing in a different god, it is ENVY
When god lets tragedies and disasters happen of which he could have prevented, it is SLOTH
When god allows anyone to hunger unnecessarily while he has enough for himself, it is GLUTTONY
When god expects his followers to dedicate their lives to worrshipping and praying to him, it is PRIDE
When god insists his followers pay tithes and offerings for his approval, it is GREED
When god intends on being party to every marriage, it is LUST

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#180486 Oct 18, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you know?
God told my religious friend (should be enough for you christians)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180487 Oct 18, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pharaoh had a choice didn’t he?
Not according to the bible's story, he didn't.

And no-- the interference by Biblegod happened before the Pharaoh had a chance to decide.

But what is even worse? The **reason** for taking his freewill is given:

So that when biblegod **murders** him and his army? Biblegod gets much-much glory because of the bloody deaths.

It seems biblegod delights in such things (murder, death, destruction)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180488 Oct 18, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pharaoh had a choice didn’t he?
He had had nine previous warnings but he was just too stubborn to heed.
Not before the interference by biblegod.

But it's **worse** than that:

The reason is given why biblegod would not let Pharaoh act reasonbly:

Biblegod wanted much-much glory when Pharaoh and his army are killed.

It appears biblegod gets much-much delight when people die.

That probably explains why biblegod killed so many....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180489 Oct 18, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
First I commend you for having a decent conversation.
Your first question is legitimate and hard for all of us to understand. But God is a God of extremes. Why he has made such a place of torment is anybodies guess. This I know about him. He couldn’t make just a dozen stars but he went into the extremes and made trillions upon trillions.
He has a extreme angry side to him. Unlike anything you can or ever will imagine. On the other hand he has extreme love for those who wish to repent and surrender their life to him as one of his children. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about hell because I’m not going to be there.
As far as benevolence, Christians spend untold millions in charity for the poor, uneducated, hungry, shelters, cancer research, children hospitals, building schools, hospitals, water wells, clothing, school supplies, grants, drug rehabs, medicine and the list goes on and on. One would have to have their head in the sand like an ostrich in order not to see it.
Yet Atheist charities are practically non existent in comparison. Does that sound like love for his fellow man?
Gays- They don’t have to stay in the closet but for goodness sake keep it in the bedroom with the doors locked and the curtains pulled. I don’t want to hear or know about what’s going on between individuals when it comes to their lifestyle choice. Keep it in the bedroom!!! And stop the ongoing recruitment of kids. I like that song Pink Floyd sings,“Another Brick in the Wall.”
“Hey, Teacher leave those kids alone!”
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! teachers! leave the kids alone!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! teacher! leave us kids alone!
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall.
-smooth guitar solo-
"Wrong, do it again!"
"Wrong, do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. how can you
Have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"you! yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
Roger Waters, the author of that bit, is an atheist as far as anyone can tell.

I find it amusing you'd use the words of an atheist....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#180490 Oct 18, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no evidence outside of the Bible for Moses or the Israelites living in Egypt.
There is no evidence for a mass exodus from Egypt.
There is no evidence that any Pharaoh or any Egyptian army drowned.
It took Alexander the Great to break Egypt.
How could Pharaoh possibly repent when God was hardening his heart after every plague?
The bible explains why Pharaoh was not allowed to cooperate:

Biblegod takes much glory in the wanton murder of people.

At least, according to the bible...

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