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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#180456 Oct 18, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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you are a such a loser for voting down atheists and voting yourself up
Hey, Sport, it is the rather overwhelming majority of mankind voting you down, not just me. You must be confused in thinking there are more than the few dozen posting on here, what they consider a refuge, their place.

I was an atheist longer than you have been alive. But we had class in those days. Not this bunch of mouthy malcontents of today being led by those making money exploiting them.

Loser.

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#180457 Oct 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Hey, Sport, it is the rather overwhelming majority of mankind voting you down, not just me. You must be confused in thinking there are more than the few dozen posting on here, what they consider a refuge, their place.
I was an atheist longer than you have been alive. But we had class in those days. Not this bunch of mouthy malcontents of today being led by those making money exploiting them.
Loser.
you are the loser here idiot dave and i do not believe a liar like you!
meandyou

Winter Garden, FL

#180458 Oct 18, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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RUBBISH
My God Can Beat Up Your God (Richard Bamford)
Do you know his name?

• When your god says "Thou shalt not," my god says "You can do anything."
My god is reason.
He does more in a day than your god will ever do.
The ability to reason can be used in order to deny God's exixtence or to seek him.
Richard Bamford used that ability to make reason his God.
His foolish search for wisdom has landed him in the land of fools
In the process he has spouted a number of bombastic statements for which he provides no evidence.
Who endowed him with the ability to reasom?
God did not forbid knowledge , and the Bible , which Atheists claim was devised and written by uneducated Goatherders , is the most popular book ever written.
It has sold more copies , has been translated into more languages and more widely than any other book.
It has been used as an educational tool since it's inception.
The copies of the bible that have been sold would fill thousands of libraries. It's teachings are practiced by billions of people.
It is on the teachings of the bible and belief in God that Wesrern civilization forms it's foundation...magna carta , Declaration of Independence"
Those who believed in God set the foundation for our Health system and medicine.
It is they who founded hospitals and the nursing profession.
It is they who laid the foundation for our educational system.
It is they who feed the poor.
When there is a catastrophe it is the Red Cross , founded by a believer , who rushes to their assistance. It is Feed The Chidren , Catholic Charities , Salvation Army and other faith based organizations who tend to the needs of the lesss fortunate.
It is the the words of the bible that are written in our Federal building "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and make war no more" not the Atheistic slogan espoused by Mao "All power flows from the barrel of a gun"
It is the " Scales of justice that sre engraved in our Supreme Court , not the lawless belief espoused by Atheist Societies .
It is Jesus who said , All things are possible by faith in God.
Atheism has not made any contributions to Western civilization.
They have however , wreaked havoc in the countries where they have ruled by human reason.
They murdered millions under Mao . They murdered by the millions under Pol Pot , They murderd by the millions under Stalin.
It was Alexander Solshenytsin who laid bare the cruelty of USSR
It was Lech Walessa and the Pope who freed Poland from the tentacles of communism.
What those who believe in God have accomplished by far and away supersedes anything accomplished by Atheists.
The facts are there for all to see.
No , reason is not the true God. God gave man the ability to reason. That some have not learned to use it properly and have instead made it their God is the way of a fool.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#180459 Oct 18, 2013
Morality predates religion.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Bullshit.
There is nothing but a belief in a higher force, ie religion, to even start "morality". Without such you would never get past the "I want" and purely selfish stage.
Your sense of morality, where you even think you can judge your Creator, is directly and only derivative from those religions.
"Thinking". I love it. You think a name gives you powers beyond your means. Change it to "Limited Thinking". Truth in advertising.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#180460 Oct 18, 2013
The vast majority do not share your belief.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Hey, Sport, it is the rather overwhelming majority of mankind voting you down, not just me. You must be confused in thinking there are more than the few dozen posting on here, what they consider a refuge, their place.
I was an atheist longer than you have been alive. But we had class in those days. Not this bunch of mouthy malcontents of today being led by those making money exploiting them.
Loser.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#180461 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The logical conclusion of that is you must also believe Darth Vader exists.
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I would take Vader over Stalin.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#180462 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Morality predates religion.
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And religion has nothing to do with morality.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#180463 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The vast majority do not share your belief.
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Religion = Superstition
Truth will out.

Jonny Eve puts it simply...
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
Thinking

Royston, UK

#180464 Oct 18, 2013
If you truly believe in Vader, then Vader killed billions.
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I would take Vader over Stalin.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#180465 Oct 18, 2013
I wonder how many consoles RS uses to vote for himself?
Looks like three. The Jeremy Hunt.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Religion = Superstition
Truth will out.
Jonny Eve puts it simply...
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#180466 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I wonder how many consoles RS uses to vote for himself?
Looks like three. The Jeremy Hunt.
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Just vote them down

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180467 Oct 18, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So is it your contention that God only killed babies during war time? When he ordered the slaughter of ALL of the Egyptian first born males, there was no war.
When your God got angry, a human trait I would think a God would be better to not have, and flooded the entire planet, thereby murdering countless little babies and destroying just as many unborn fetuses, there was no WAR. Imagine, you getting so angry at your children that you filled the tub and held their little heads under the water until they drowned. Would you ever get angry enough to even consider doing something like that? Your God had no trouble doing it to millions, and all because he had a little hissy fit.
BTW it was a Christian who ordered to bomb dropped on Japan.
Pharaoh had a choice didn’t he?

He had had nine previous warnings but he was just too stubborn to heed.

But you don’t blame Pharaoh for being a butt head?

Egypt was the Worlds Super Power with a military unmatched anywhere in the world. God broke their back and they never recovered even to this very day.

Only those that had the lambs blood over their door post were saved. Doctor, if you don’t have the lambs blood over your life it’s going to be bad for you as well. Egypt had a choice to be saved just like you do. But they refused as you have refused.

And you are wrong my Dear Doctor about Japan. It was an American President acting as Commander and Chief that ordered the bombing of Japan with the first nuclear weapon. That’s how history has recorded it. Thankfully you Atheist can’t go back and rewrite history.

How about this one Doctor.

March 9 1945

On this day, U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst single firestorm in recorded history.

The 130,000 civilians that were burned to death in the firebombing of Tokyo has never been mentioned by you. That one was ordered by General Curtis Lemay. Women, children, infants, the elderly and disabled all were burned to death. That event doesn’t seem to be on your radar screen.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180468 Oct 18, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Something you should consider...
Abortion
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Something you should consider, "Condoms."
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180469 Oct 18, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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Dr Mengele is in heaven
Timothy McVeigh is in heaven
How would you know?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#180470 Oct 18, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Pharaoh had a choice didn’t he?
He had had nine previous warnings but he was just too stubborn to heed.
But you don’t blame Pharaoh for being a butt head?
Egypt was the Worlds Super Power with a military unmatched anywhere in the world. God broke their back and they never recovered even to this very day.
Only those that had the lambs blood over their door post were saved. Doctor, if you don’t have the lambs blood over your life it’s going to be bad for you as well. Egypt had a choice to be saved just like you do. But they refused as you have refused.
Your God is supposed to have hardened Pharaohs heart before the plagues.

Exodus 7
1  And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2  Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
3  And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
4  But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.
5  And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch forth mine hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them.
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10  And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11  Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12  For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13  And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180471 Oct 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think I know what love is, and I think that I have experienced it. It doesn't involve things like damnation or torture. Nor worship. What kind of love is involved in creating a hell and a devil, or in keeping souls conscious after death just so that they can suffer forever in the service of no legitimate purpose?
I find the Christian notion of love to be quite deformed, and not just what is called the god's love of man. How about the other direction - the love of God by man?
Is not love is a selfless act given for the benefit of the object loved? The Christian's love of god is entirely for the benefit of the one doing what is called loving. That's not authentic love to me, just like loving chocolate ice cream isn't authentic love.
And how about the Christian love of his fellow man? I think it's despicable the way the church scapegoats gays and atheists, driving both into closets by describing them as vile abominations that displease a good god. That's called love, too - you know, "love the sinner, but hate the sin."
Anyway, none of the three seems like love to me, which is why I asked the question, "what is love according to Christianity?"
Is this also hatred of religion, or are these legitimate issues worthy of discussion? Don't people have a legitimate interest in how their neighbors are being taught to think by the tens of millions?
First I commend you for having a decent conversation.

Your first question is legitimate and hard for all of us to understand. But God is a God of extremes. Why he has made such a place of torment is anybodies guess. This I know about him. He couldn’t make just a dozen stars but he went into the extremes and made trillions upon trillions.

He has a extreme angry side to him. Unlike anything you can or ever will imagine. On the other hand he has extreme love for those who wish to repent and surrender their life to him as one of his children. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about hell because I’m not going to be there.

As far as benevolence, Christians spend untold millions in charity for the poor, uneducated, hungry, shelters, cancer research, children hospitals, building schools, hospitals, water wells, clothing, school supplies, grants, drug rehabs, medicine and the list goes on and on. One would have to have their head in the sand like an ostrich in order not to see it.

Yet Atheist charities are practically non existent in comparison. Does that sound like love for his fellow man?

Gays- They don’t have to stay in the closet but for goodness sake keep it in the bedroom with the doors locked and the curtains pulled. I don’t want to hear or know about what’s going on between individuals when it comes to their lifestyle choice. Keep it in the bedroom!!! And stop the ongoing recruitment of kids. I like that song Pink Floyd sings,“Another Brick in the Wall.”

“Hey, Teacher leave those kids alone!”

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! teachers! leave the kids alone!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! teacher! leave us kids alone!
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just a another brick in the wall.

-smooth guitar solo-

"Wrong, do it again!"
"Wrong, do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. how can you
Have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"you! yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#180472 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I wonder how many consoles RS uses to vote for himself?
Looks like three. The Jeremy Hunt.
<quoted text>
Exactly what I was thinking.
We seem to have rattled his cage :-)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180473 Oct 18, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Your God is supposed to have hardened Pharaohs heart before the plagues.
Exodus 7
1  And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2  Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
3  And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
4  But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.
5  And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch forth mine hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them.
...
10  And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11  Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12  For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13  And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
This is true, God wanted to break their backs and he did just that. They have never recovered from it. But if Pharoah would have repented and ask God's forgiveness God would have had mercy on Egypt. But Pharoah was too proud, he thought he was a God himself.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180474 Oct 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The logical conclusion of that is you must also believe Darth Vader exists.
<quoted text>
"Luke, I am your Father."

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#180475 Oct 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly what I was thinking.
We seem to have rattled his cage :-)
I'm voting him and the other trolls down

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