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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178687 Sep 28, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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You are claiming fact, therefore you owe the proof. We have no problem admitting we have faith in our beliefs, and every time you bring up us proving our "confessed faith" you are going off topic. Some thing YOU YOURSELF brought up not long ago. The real problem is you have a comprehension problem. There is no way you could read a book about thought, such as The Power of Now and write a good essay about it. It is why you have a lot of nerve asking for proof. Maybe the day will come that you could catch one of us on a tread that your request is not OFF TOPIC.
What is the FACT that I am claiming?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#178688 Sep 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>What is the FACT that I am claiming?
1. there is no creator of The Universe.

2. No creator of humanity.

You can't prove either. Therefore it's not fact.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#178689 Sep 28, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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1. there is no creator of The Universe.
2. No creator of humanity.
You can't prove either. Therefore it's not fact.
Do you claim reincarnation as truth, or just your belief?
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178690 Sep 28, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
1. there is no creator of The Universe.
2. No creator of humanity.
You can't prove either. Therefore it's not fact.
The Creator of the universe: Since we have no information about what existed before the universe, there can be no information about how it came to be. Therefore to say in was *created* is a pointless position.

Lets examine the "facts" associated with the creator of the universe.

1.) No one has ever been able to define the physical properties of this creator...FACT

2.) Science has never been able to examine this creator It has never been weighed, measured, or tested.........FACT

3.) No one in recorded history has ever been able to discover exactly were this creator can be found........FACT

4.) In order for this creator to create the universe, something must be known about the process he used. To date neither science or any other person has been able to even begin to explain this procedure......FACT

5.) This creator is said to exist beyond time and space, to be "outside" of our universe, and to be beyond our knowledge. Science has never been able to discover whether there is actually anything beyond our universe, this is a ridiculous and empty claim........FACT

6.) if this creator is infect "outside" of our universe, then it is toady IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW ANYTHING about this creator.....FACT

"No creator of humanity."

1.) Since all of the above also apply to this claim, then the only thing we can add is that science has been able to create the building blocks of life (amino acids) from what may well have been early Earth conditions. Here, unlike the universe, we have verifiable information as to how life may well have come to be.....FACT

So you see there are all kinds of FACTS that prove your creator to be non-existent, except within your mind.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178691 Sep 28, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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A lot of assuming and completely off topic.
Understood that you cannot comment. Thank you, for your attention.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178692 Sep 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you have been such a good boy, This scripture is just for you.
John 8:36
King James Version (KJV)
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Do you realize that your bible was written by goatherders? Not that they are less citizens than any of us, of course.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178693 Sep 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> The 6,000 year figure is incorrect and assumes time as linear. Nobody knows the pre fall conditions as it relates to time. I would not assume linear. I think you are also assume God is tired but God depicted is omnipotent and does not get tired so God took a rest for different reasons. Think it had something to do with the Sabbath.
<quoted text> Since, according to you, i am a sheep who follows an insane leader, why do you ask me anything? Why do you bash a God you do not believe exists? You assume weak God? It seems you cannot even get the rudiments correct. If you cannot keep up with the footmen, how can you compete with the horses?
OK, all I know is "your god" had to rest as he was "spent" after 6 days of working. Let me tell you "dude". I know friends of mine that work a friggin' 3 jobs and do not have time to be "tired" Yours is not the story of a powerful "god". A powerful god is "endlessly powerful". There is no time to rest. Why does "your god" need any rest at all? This I admit, I am ignorant of. Then again, most of us laborers are "ignorant". Not like the bankers of the USA.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178694 Sep 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Lets take your last statement first. This demonstrates you are a moral weakling. Non believers are in denial regarding their responsibility to their fellow human beings and their responsibility to God.
I have no responsibility to your ugly delusion (god).

Seriously.

Until and IF you can PRODUCE your hideous monster-god?

My comment to go f___ yourself is exactly to the point.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178695 Sep 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
.. to reject your atheism is the equivalent of rejecting science and education.
Correct.

For science and education are non-theistic.

Buy intent.

Because theists are about DENYING both.

What was the FIRST "lesson" in the Bible?

Answer: that KNOWLEDGE IS FORBIDDEN.

Proof your ugly religion is anti-education AND anti-science.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178696 Sep 28, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
The major problem; these people do not think for themselves. They are sheep and "follow the leader", though the leader is insane.
Insane, effectively blind and willfully ignorant too.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178697 Sep 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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They were here long before the Anglo’s.
Indeed they were-- some of my own ancestors used to hang out over north of Florida.

Until a bunch of Genuine Christian™ men decided they "needed" the land they were living on, and forced them out-- many died during that force-march.

All "blessed" by the ugly bible, of course-- the white man's god gave these men "dominion" over the "savages"... right?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178698 Sep 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
But when studying American History you will notice that there were many tribes and sects of Indians. And they didn’t always get along. Some hated each other and they were often at war.

It’s sad how the Indians were treated by the Anglo's but that was long before you and I were born. I know you have a Indian heritage. I have some in my linage but probably not as much as you do.
Indeed-- the Native Americans were often at war with one another.

But until the white man? They pretty much had reached a kind of loose status quo.

It took white technology to enable massacres (firearms and such).

However, all of that pales compared to the European's **diseases** that they unwittingly brought with them...

.... an event that a **caring** god would have **foreseen** and **prevented***....!

What **possible** good can come from the millions of horrible deaths from god-preventable diseases?

Hmmmm?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178699 Sep 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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[Tipping Hat]
I'll take from this, that you also think the Rule Of Law is a good idea?

:)

I rather like that-- I hope you pass on that idea to everyone you are able to.

Because it is one thing that all people could rally around-- both believer an non-believer alike.

That the Rule Of Law could be the thing that helps humans treat each other with a modicum of equality.

Kudos, man.

:D

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#178700 Sep 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I have no responsibility to your ugly delusion (god).
Your assumption exists in your head but not in reality.
My comment to go f___ yourself is exactly to the point.
You need to do a little growing and stop being such a moral weakling. You are shirking your responsibilities both to God and to man.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178702 Sep 28, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you realize that your bible was written by goatherders? Not that they are less citizens than any of us, of course.
The first five books were written by Moses. For the times he was the equivalent to being a University graduate. The best schools and exposed to the best minds in Egypt.

Then others were written by the prophets of the time. David who did heard sheep at a very young age when on to become a fierce soldier. Cutting off the head of Goliath after taking him down with a sling.

The sling and rocks are still used today as weapons in the region. Then David went on to be a King. The scriptures that he wrote were done as he was King. Then his son Solomon went on to be King and wrote books in the bible.

The Apostle Paul was certainly not a goat herder but a specialized craftsman. Then one book was written by a Medical Doctor.

So this common misconception is really not based on reality but meant to be in jest. A little humor and jab here in there is certainly not going to hurt.[Tipping Hat]
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178703 Sep 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed-- the Native Americans were often at war with one another.
But until the white man? They pretty much had reached a kind of loose status quo.
It took white technology to enable massacres (firearms and such).
However, all of that pales compared to the European's **diseases** that they unwittingly brought with them...
.... an event that a **caring** god would have **foreseen** and **prevented***....!
What **possible** good can come from the millions of horrible deaths from god-preventable diseases?
Hmmmm?
He'll tell you it was because of the "Fall" that God permits these kinds of horror's to take place. Man disobeys, God get pissed, and ever since millions upon uncounted millions have died horrible deaths. How f--king long does it take this raving psychopath to stop being pissed? Serious anger management issues. Do ya really think an all powerful God should share the same faults as we mere humans? Almost as though he does really exists isn't it!!!!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178704 Sep 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The first five books were written by Moses. For the times he was the equivalent to being a University graduate. The best schools and exposed to the best minds in Egypt.
Then others were written by the prophets of the time. David who did heard sheep at a very young age when on to become a fierce soldier. Cutting off the head of Goliath after taking him down with a sling.
The sling and rocks are still used today as weapons in the region. Then David went on to be a King. The scriptures that he wrote were done as he was King. Then his son Solomon went on to be King and wrote books in the bible.
The Apostle Paul was certainly not a goat herder but a specialized craftsman. Then one book was written by a Medical Doctor.
So this common misconception is really not based on reality but meant to be in jest. A little humor and jab here in there is certainly not going to hurt.[Tipping Hat]
And here I always thought the bible was the word of God, geez, who knew!!!
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178705 Sep 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed they were-- some of my own ancestors used to hang out over north of Florida.
Until a bunch of Genuine Christian™ men decided they "needed" the land they were living on, and forced them out-- many died during that force-march.
All "blessed" by the ugly bible, of course-- the white man's god gave these men "dominion" over the "savages"... right?
You must be talking about your European friends. The same people that our country went to war with later on? If I’m not mistaken many Indians helped in those wars against the Europeans.

We kicked one country’s a** so hard. We are still celebrating over 200 years later on every 4th of July.

Those Anglo’s that came and settled in the new land was trying to get away from Europe and all it’s harsh rule and government. They were at peace with the local Indians.

But that was just the start. As the settlers moved West there were Indian wars. Then came the Calvary and the ugliness of war.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178706 Sep 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll take from this, that you also think the Rule Of Law is a good idea?
:)
I rather like that-- I hope you pass on that idea to everyone you are able to.
Because it is one thing that all people could rally around-- both believer an non-believer alike.
That the Rule Of Law could be the thing that helps humans treat each other with a modicum of equality.
Kudos, man.
:D
The rule of law is a good thing but so is the personal rights that allow for an advocate and trial by jury of your peers.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178707 Sep 28, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, all I know is "your god" had to rest as he was "spent" after 6 days of working. Let me tell you "dude". I know friends of mine that work a friggin' 3 jobs and do not have time to be "tired" Yours is not the story of a powerful "god". A powerful god is "endlessly powerful". There is no time to rest. Why does "your god" need any rest at all? This I admit, I am ignorant of. Then again, most of us laborers are "ignorant". Not like the bankers of the USA.
When an artist completes painting of a beautiful master piece.

Then he steps back and folds his arms looking back at his work. Gently rubbing his mustache and pondering about what he has just done.

At this juncture the artist is not in a hurry to start his next work but wants time to enjoy what he has just created.

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