Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Jul 18, 2009 Read more: Webbunny tumblelog 237,766
Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178153 Sep 22, 2013
good night my loving Atheist. Work tomorrow!

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#178154 Sep 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Emergency toilet paper?
;)
And other things.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178155 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You didnít ask me specifically a question. I responded to a question you asked someone else related to peanut and bee allergies.
As I stated before, Jesus never criticized anyone who went to a Doctor. The Apostle Paul had a good friend who was known as the ďBeloved Physician.Ē
This Physician was one of the earliest disciples and was thought to have written one of the four gospels.
So what is wrong with seeking medical help when one is in trouble with Anaphylactic Shock?
The answer more precisely is nothing is wrong with seeking medical help. Itís not forbidden in the bible. It has never been forbidden in the bible, ever.
There is no eleventh commandment that says,ďThou shalt not seek medical attention or call 911.Ē
So now my question to you. Why do you think believers should refrain from seeking medical attention for Anaphylactic Shock?
Did not God allow men to try and help themselves? If a man falls into a hole is it wrong for someone to come along and throw him a rope?
In your analogy why doesnít God throw them the rope and save them every time? In that case why doesnít God do everything including building bridges, schools, houses, citiesÖÖÖÖÖ..?
We as humanity can do some things ourselves. And we should do all we can before we pick up the phone and call heaven for help.
So --What is the cure for bee sting allergies and peanut allergies according to your bible? Note I am keeping things very simple here for you. If "your" god is all knowing, he must have specific directives in your bible for the cure of bee sting and peanut allergies that kill hundreds (if not thousands) of people every year on this planet that he created in but six days (he had to rest on the seventh day because he was exhausted, even thought he was all powerful. Something does not ring true here.). So, I am asking the "Great Eagle" to provide the answer to these very elemenatary questions. After you give a sufficient answer, we will proceed to the next "arena" (like in Roman times, a fight to the Death). Until that time, you must answer the question. To be fair, have you any questions for me?

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178156 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
good night my loving Atheist. Work tomorrow!
Bet you wish you were retired!!! LOL!

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178157 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
good night my loving Atheist. Work tomorrow!
What happened to your icon?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178158 Sep 23, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
So --What is the cure for bee sting allergies and peanut allergies according to your bible? Note I am keeping things very simple here for you. If "your" god is all knowing, he must have specific directives in your bible for the cure of bee sting and peanut allergies that kill hundreds (if not thousands) of people every year on this planet that he created in but six days (he had to rest on the seventh day because he was exhausted, even thought he was all powerful. Something does not ring true here.). So, I am asking the "Great Eagle" to provide the answer to these very elemenatary questions. After you give a sufficient answer, we will proceed to the next "arena" (like in Roman times, a fight to the Death). Until that time, you must answer the question. To be fair, have you any questions for me?
Iím not aware of a cure per say in the bible for people who are allergic to bee stings and or peanut allergies. There is a treatment such as the EpiPen that Iím sure you are aware of.

For those that donít know this is a devise that injects epinephrine into the body. Usually applied to the upper thigh. I have both the EpiPen and the training Pen in my home for my Grandson.

This technology actually derives from the Military.

Modern medicine has made some gains in treating people who are subject to severe anaphylactic shock. I donít know anyone who has had this treatment but reportedly it works well in preventing future adverse reactions.

As I stated earlier, the bible is not anti-medicine nor anti-medical doctors. You can note there are hundreds and hundreds of Christian funded hospitals here in the United States. And Christian faiths support research in their hospitals to advance medicine.

But Iím not aware of hospitals or medical research facilities funded mostly by Atheist. They donít exist, and I wonder why. This all knowing God gave mankind the intelligence to take care of himself through medicine.

Iím going to make things simple for you my good Atheist friend. There is an underlying theme here that Iím driving at and you are having problems grasping it.

Remember in Kindergarten when the teacher gave you a page with number dots. Then she asked you to connect the dots. What happened when you connected the dots? You saw the whole picture.

Now itís your turn to answer my question. Atheist are so quick to criticize people of faith over medicine. Yet we have thousands of Hospitals and medical research facilities.
The Atheist have none. Note Secular Hospitals are NOT funded by Atheist only.

Secular Hospitals are funded by Government in which the majority of the population supports. The majority of the US population is Christian and or some other faith.

Why do Atheist as a whole donít own Hospitals?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178159 Sep 23, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
What happened to your icon?
Topix may have banned me but I'm not sure.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178160 Sep 23, 2013
Would I go to an all funded Atheist Hospital?

I donít think so. I would want to go where there was not even a hope and a prayer.

Take a walk into some of the cities around the US Christian Hospitals. Note how clean and modern the facilities are. Not only are they clean and nice they have some of the very best medical staff.

We donít have to worry about the Atheist Community funding a modern hospital. It kind of goes against the grain. It would require them to give something to fund it.
And it goes against the Atheist creed, Me-Myself-I.
reasoner

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#178161 Sep 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
..We donít have to worry about the Atheist Community funding a modern hospital. It kind of goes against the grain. It would require them to give something to fund it.
And it goes against the Atheist creed, Me-Myself-I.
In Europe we have publically funded health care, and a parallel private system for those who can afford to pay. This in my opinion is a lot fairer system (and has nothing to do with religious myths). All taxpayers pay into this through the tax system, and it means people arent going to die in the streets through not being insured, which is what I believe can happen if you rely on insurance or private donations. I would prefer to have a system which is reliant on a quality public service than put any trust in religious charities (which are proven quote often to be run by charlatans).
Simon

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#178162 Sep 23, 2013
I have no idea where you are getting you facts from but no religions organisation builds or funds hospitals. Sure they may have a name that sounds remotely christian but that is more for image, something to keep the weak minded who need to believe in something greater, happy.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#178165 Sep 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Iím not aware of a cure per say in the bible for people who are allergic to bee stings and or peanut allergies. There is a treatment such as the EpiPen that Iím sure you are aware of.
For those that donít know this is a devise that injects epinephrine into the body. Usually applied to the upper thigh. I have both the EpiPen and the training Pen in my home for my Grandson.
This technology actually derives from the Military.
Modern medicine has made some gains in treating people who are subject to severe anaphylactic shock. I donít know anyone who has had this treatment but reportedly it works well in preventing future adverse reactions.
As I stated earlier, the bible is not anti-medicine nor anti-medical doctors. You can note there are hundreds and hundreds of Christian funded hospitals here in the United States. And Christian faiths support research in their hospitals to advance medicine.
But Iím not aware of hospitals or medical research facilities funded mostly by Atheist. They donít exist, and I wonder why. This all knowing God gave mankind the intelligence to take care of himself through medicine.
Iím going to make things simple for you my good Atheist friend. There is an underlying theme here that Iím driving at and you are having problems grasping it.
Remember in Kindergarten when the teacher gave you a page with number dots. Then she asked you to connect the dots. What happened when you connected the dots? You saw the whole picture.
Now itís your turn to answer my question. Atheist are so quick to criticize people of faith over medicine. Yet we have thousands of Hospitals and medical research facilities.
The Atheist have none. Note Secular Hospitals are NOT funded by Atheist only.
Secular Hospitals are funded by Government in which the majority of the population supports. The majority of the US population is Christian and or some other faith.
Why do Atheist as a whole donít own Hospitals?
Sometimes I wonder if you creationists troll liars sit around all day thinking to yourselves: "What's the stupidest most ignorant sh*t I can post in the atheism forum today and then lie about while trying to defend this utter bollocks cult I was stupid enough to get myself into?"

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#178166 Sep 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Iím not aware of a cure per say in the bible for people who are allergic to bee stings and or peanut allergies. There is a treatment such as the EpiPen that Iím sure you are aware of.
For those that donít know this is a devise that injects epinephrine into the body. Usually applied to the upper thigh. I have both the EpiPen and the training Pen in my home for my Grandson.
This technology actually derives from the Military.
Modern medicine has made some gains in treating people who are subject to severe anaphylactic shock. I donít know anyone who has had this treatment but reportedly it works well in preventing future adverse reactions.
As I stated earlier, the bible is not anti-medicine nor anti-medical doctors. You can note there are hundreds and hundreds of Christian funded hospitals here in the United States. And Christian faiths support research in their hospitals to advance medicine.
But Iím not aware of hospitals or medical research facilities funded mostly by Atheist. They donít exist, and I wonder why. This all knowing God gave mankind the intelligence to take care of himself through medicine.
Iím going to make things simple for you my good Atheist friend. There is an underlying theme here that Iím driving at and you are having problems grasping it.
Remember in Kindergarten when the teacher gave you a page with number dots. Then she asked you to connect the dots. What happened when you connected the dots? You saw the whole picture.
Now itís your turn to answer my question. Atheist are so quick to criticize people of faith over medicine. Yet we have thousands of Hospitals and medical research facilities.
The Atheist have none. Note Secular Hospitals are NOT funded by Atheist only.
Secular Hospitals are funded by Government in which the majority of the population supports. The majority of the US population is Christian and or some other faith.
Why do Atheist as a whole donít own Hospitals?
Your coversation is a symptom of the mental illness of creationism.

Atheism is not a religion or an organisation, its merely the conclusion after all the religious liars in the world have been exposed by hard science.

This is why atheists don't own whole hospitals.

Atheism is not a reason to care about other people. Atheists do care about other people, but their atheism is not the reason why they do it.

If you like, atheists have higher morals - they don't need childish religious stories to make them behave. They do it anyway.

Atheists find the world scary when the only thing between murder and a christian is an imaginary god and a dying cult that builds buildings every 30 minutes from each other with gigantic crosses on top of them (and lightening conductors).

Since: Feb 13

Hamilton, New Zealand

#178167 Sep 23, 2013
Zzzzz ;)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#178168 Sep 23, 2013
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/last-2...

This is a horn blower with class.

Nice to see such a thing.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#178169 Sep 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Would I go to an all funded Atheist Hospital?
I donít think so. I would want to go where there was not even a hope and a prayer.
Take a walk into some of the cities around the US Christian Hospitals. Note how clean and modern the facilities are. Not only are they clean and nice they have some of the very best medical staff.
We donít have to worry about the Atheist Community funding a modern hospital. It kind of goes against the grain. It would require them to give something to fund it.
And it goes against the Atheist creed, Me-Myself-I.
Another religionist who thinks he's better than non-believers. At least you have made your personal 'creed' clear enough.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...
A (2012?) poll indicated that only about 54% of USAmericans would vote for an atheist to high political office, so being prone to prejudice might seem to be what links most religious cults in the USA.

The simple fact is that religionists aren't better than non-believers at all. People are good or bad according to their nature or nurture, not whether they are religious or not. I've given to "Christian" aid in recent years and we all (religionists and non-believers) contribute to charities. Charities like Oxfam couldn't function without non-believers in most developed countries where the majority don't believe in any sort of interventionist god, or any of these....
http://www.godchecker.com/
far less an Abrahamic god.

Charity is about caring for others....
http://www.globalgiving.co.uk/aboutus/
it takes organisation. Churches have a long established organisation and tradition of charitable giving. Rationalist groups are developing this too. Here in Glasgow, the Humanists work with the local religious, governmental and NGO groups. There is no point in setting up 'rival' groups based on religious or sectarian denominations. I know that the HSS often provide the street 'soup kitchen', but I notice it isn't mentioned on their website....
http://www.humanism-scotland.org.uk/news/in_t...
but there is no modern need in a developed country for charities to be segregated in this way. Most are now secular.

Religion = superstition
Thinking

UK

#178170 Sep 23, 2013
Maybe jesus will cure America's poor because Eagle 12 isn't interested in caring for them.
reasoner wrote:
<quoted text>
In Europe we have publically funded health care, and a parallel private system for those who can afford to pay. This in my opinion is a lot fairer system (and has nothing to do with religious myths). All taxpayers pay into this through the tax system, and it means people arent going to die in the streets through not being insured, which is what I believe can happen if you rely on insurance or private donations. I would prefer to have a system which is reliant on a quality public service than put any trust in religious charities (which are proven quote often to be run by charlatans).
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#178171 Sep 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are asking why doesnít God circumvent death for children and babies when prayed for?
First let me say it is always acceptable to pray for the dying and the sick. That itís never out of order in my opinion.
God will heal whom he desires to heal and take whom he wants to take. The decision is Gods.
then you have NO free will,..

youre just a robot in gods computer game

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#178172 Sep 23, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
"There is no BB theory problem, where do you get the idea that there is a problem?"
Your right no problem with the theory at all. Of course it could never happen because just before the BB you MUST have time. Time existence breaks all the laws of physics. But your BB theory is solid. Except that the BB happened 13.7 billion years ago and it would take about 1 billion years for the universe to fall to the state where it could start producing stars and science has found a 14.8 billion year old star. Bit of a problem there. But the theory is sound as Myths goes.
Nope, this is nothing but your own theory based on your ignorance of what time is

Time breaks no laws of physics, or perhaps you can provide a valid scientific text that validates your claim. I really donít think so.

Again, no problem with the theory just with your limited understanding of the theory. As I have explained and is available online for your education, expansion is not limited by the speed of light

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#178173 Sep 23, 2013
I do agree that Atheism requires faith in as it requires hard work and faith to show and follow any way of life or religion in a meaningful way.

If its Nihlism, or Christian or Anarchist if someone wanted to follow these paths in a full and meaningful way it requires hard work and dare I say "faith" too.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#178174 Sep 23, 2013
Mybackfnhurts wrote:
I do agree that Atheism requires faith in as it requires hard work and faith to show and follow any way of life or religion in a meaningful way.
If its Nihlism, or Christian or Anarchist if someone wanted to follow these paths in a full and meaningful way it requires hard work and dare I say "faith" too.
By that logic, you would also have to work hard to not believe in the Easter Bunny.

All atheism is is the lack of a belief in deities. Its not something one really has to work at...

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Why Atheism Will Replace Religion (Aug '12) 1 hr James 14,565
News Confessions of a black atheist 2 hr Savant 340
News "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 2 hr Dogen 18,495
The Ultimate Evidence of God (Mar '14) 2 hr James 153
Science Disproves Evolution (Aug '12) 8 hr thetruth 1,996
News Atheists open up: What they want you to know 8 hr thetruth 23
News The Consequences of Atheism 11 hr Thinking 1,268
More from around the web