Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#178105 Sep 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Your reasoning will not accept any evidence of God.

This is clear from your posts.

Problem isn't the evidence plenty of people have seen the evidence and come to a relationship with God through the evidence.

The problem is that you have a prior commitment to naturalism.

And anything that does not fit your worldview is discarded as evidence.

And because your worldview is founded on the need to deny God you're never going to accept evidence.

You think you are god and you don't wanna surrender that therefore God has no place in your life. Because you don't want him there not because he doesn't exist.
You sure about that?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178106 Sep 22, 2013
“Christianity is dying,” so we have been told by Atheist for years. The church is dying, the pews are empty, and people are leaving by the millions.

Is that really true? Not if you take into account the Bible is one of the hottest free downloads ever. It seems modern technology has brought a resurgence to the number one seller of all times.

SAN DIEGO, August 14, 2013 –“The Bible is the world’s best selling book, with an astonishing six billion copies sold since its first official print publication date.
So perhaps it shouldn’t be a huge surprise that one of the best selling smartphone apps of all time is also based on the Good Book. The Bible App by YouVersion has made history, reaching 100 million downloads. It’s been among the top 100 free apps for three consecutive years according to Apple’s iTunes charts.”

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#178107 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
“Christianity is dying,” so we have been told by Atheist for years. The church is dying, the pews are empty, and people are leaving by the millions.
Is that really true? Not if you take into account the Bible is one of the hottest free downloads ever. It seems modern technology has brought a resurgence to the number one seller of all times.
SAN DIEGO, August 14, 2013 –“The Bible is the world’s best selling book, with an astonishing six billion copies sold since its first official print publication date.
So perhaps it shouldn’t be a huge surprise that one of the best selling smartphone apps of all time is also based on the Good Book. The Bible App by YouVersion has made history, reaching 100 million downloads. It’s been among the top 100 free apps for three consecutive years according to Apple’s iTunes charts.”
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...
you must have bought it twenty times huh?LLL
bible may be most printed book but doesnt even come close to being a best seller

best selling books of all time
Do keep in mind that the list makes a distinction between "most published and distributed" and "best selling."

That eliminates contenders like the Bible, the Qur'an, and Quotations from Chairman Mao. Too, sales figures for individual Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for some reason, said to be so unreliable that they are not included in the list (although the Potter series is estimated to have sold more than 450 million copies in total, and the Twilight series, some 116 million copies).

If we accept these standards, the best selling single-volume books of all-time are said to be:
A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens - 1859 - 200 million copies +
Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - 1943 - 200 million
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1954-1955 - 150 million
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1937 - 100 million
Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xuequin - 1754 - 100 million
And Then There Were None - Agatha Christie - 1939 - 100 million
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe - C. S. Lewis - 1950 - 85 million
She - H. Rider Haggard - 1887 - 83 million
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown - 2003 - 80 million
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill - 1937 - 70 million
The Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - 1951 - 65 million
The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho - 1988 - 65 million
Steps to Christ - Ellen G. White - 1892 - 60 million
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov - 1955 - 60 million
Heidi's Years of Wandering and Learning - Johanna Spyri - 1955 - 50 million
The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care - Dr. Benjamin Spock - 50 million
Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maude Montgomery - 1908 - 50 million
Black Beauty: The Autobiography of a Horse - Anna Sewell - 50 million
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - 1980 - 50 million
The Eagle Has Landed - Jack Higgins - 1975 - 50 million
Watership Down - Richard Adams - 1973 - 50 million
The Hite Report - Shere Hite - 1976 - 48 million
Charlotte's Web - E. B. White - 1952 - 45 million
The Ginger Man - J. P. Donleavy - 1955 - 45 million
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter - 1902 - 45 million
LCNLin

United States

#178108 Sep 22, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
you must have bought it twenty times huh?LLL
bible may be most printed book but doesnt even come close to being a best seller
best selling books of all time
Do keep in mind that the list makes a distinction between "most published and distributed" and "best selling."
That eliminates contenders like the Bible, the Qur'an, and Quotations from Chairman Mao. Too, sales figures for individual Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for some reason, said to be so unreliable that they are not included in the list (although the Potter series is estimated to have sold more than 450 million copies in total, and the Twilight series, some 116 million copies).
If we accept these standards, the best selling single-volume books of all-time are said to be:
A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens - 1859 - 200 million copies +
Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - 1943 - 200 million
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1954-1955 - 150 million
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1937 - 100 million
Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xuequin - 1754 - 100 million
And Then There Were None - Agatha Christie - 1939 - 100 million
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe - C. S. Lewis - 1950 - 85 million
She - H. Rider Haggard - 1887 - 83 million
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown - 2003 - 80 million
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill - 1937 - 70 million
The Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - 1951 - 65 million
The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho - 1988 - 65 million
Steps to Christ - Ellen G. White - 1892 - 60 million
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov - 1955 - 60 million
Heidi's Years of Wandering and Learning - Johanna Spyri - 1955 - 50 million
The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care - Dr. Benjamin Spock - 50 million
Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maude Montgomery - 1908 - 50 million
Black Beauty: The Autobiography of a Horse - Anna Sewell - 50 million
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - 1980 - 50 million
The Eagle Has Landed - Jack Higgins - 1975 - 50 million
Watership Down - Richard Adams - 1973 - 50 million
The Hite Report - Shere Hite - 1976 - 48 million
Charlotte's Web - E. B. White - 1952 - 45 million
The Ginger Man - J. P. Donleavy - 1955 - 45 million
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter - 1902 - 45 million
Defensive a bit,
over-reaction,
amusing,
less than convincing
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178109 Sep 22, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
you must have bought it twenty times huh?LLL
bible may be most printed book but doesnt even come close to being a best seller
best selling books of all time
Do keep in mind that the list makes a distinction between "most published and distributed" and "best selling."
That eliminates contenders like the Bible, the Qur'an, and Quotations from Chairman Mao. Too, sales figures for individual Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for some reason, said to be so unreliable that they are not included in the list (although the Potter series is estimated to have sold more than 450 million copies in total, and the Twilight series, some 116 million copies).
If we accept these standards, the best selling single-volume books of all-time are said to be:
A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens - 1859 - 200 million copies +
Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - 1943 - 200 million
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1954-1955 - 150 million
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1937 - 100 million
Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xuequin - 1754 - 100 million
And Then There Were None - Agatha Christie - 1939 - 100 million
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe - C. S. Lewis - 1950 - 85 million
She - H. Rider Haggard - 1887 - 83 million
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown - 2003 - 80 million
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill - 1937 - 70 million
The Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - 1951 - 65 million
The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho - 1988 - 65 million
Steps to Christ - Ellen G. White - 1892 - 60 million
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov - 1955 - 60 million
Heidi's Years of Wandering and Learning - Johanna Spyri - 1955 - 50 million
The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care - Dr. Benjamin Spock - 50 million
Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maude Montgomery - 1908 - 50 million
Black Beauty: The Autobiography of a Horse - Anna Sewell - 50 million
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - 1980 - 50 million
The Eagle Has Landed - Jack Higgins - 1975 - 50 million
Watership Down - Richard Adams - 1973 - 50 million
The Hite Report - Shere Hite - 1976 - 48 million
Charlotte's Web - E. B. White - 1952 - 45 million
The Ginger Man - J. P. Donleavy - 1955 - 45 million
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter - 1902 - 45 million
Bible- six billion, or 6 billion

Jethro Bodine needs to brush up on guzentas and add-N.
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#178110 Sep 22, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Defensive a bit,
over-reaction,
amusing,
less than convincing
thats your problem,

take it up with god..shes the one who created you with a tiny micro brain
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#178111 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Bible- six billion, or 6 billion
Jethro Bodine needs to brush up on guzentas and add-N.
LIEs chicken12 ,,all LIEs,,thats what christINSANITY does

why do kristains LIE so much..
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178112 Sep 22, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
you must have bought it twenty times huh?LLL
bible may be most printed book but doesnt even come close to being a best seller
best selling books of all time
Do keep in mind that the list makes a distinction between "most published and distributed" and "best selling."
That eliminates contenders like the Bible, the Qur'an, and Quotations from Chairman Mao. Too, sales figures for individual Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for some reason, said to be so unreliable that they are not included in the list (although the Potter series is estimated to have sold more than 450 million copies in total, and the Twilight series, some 116 million copies).
If we accept these standards, the best selling single-volume books of all-time are said to be:
A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens - 1859 - 200 million copies +
Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - 1943 - 200 million
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1954-1955 - 150 million
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1937 - 100 million
Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xuequin - 1754 - 100 million
And Then There Were None - Agatha Christie - 1939 - 100 million
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe - C. S. Lewis - 1950 - 85 million
She - H. Rider Haggard - 1887 - 83 million
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown - 2003 - 80 million
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill - 1937 - 70 million
The Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - 1951 - 65 million
The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho - 1988 - 65 million
Steps to Christ - Ellen G. White - 1892 - 60 million
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov - 1955 - 60 million
Heidi's Years of Wandering and Learning - Johanna Spyri - 1955 - 50 million
The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care - Dr. Benjamin Spock - 50 million
Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maude Montgomery - 1908 - 50 million
Black Beauty: The Autobiography of a Horse - Anna Sewell - 50 million
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - 1980 - 50 million
The Eagle Has Landed - Jack Higgins - 1975 - 50 million
Watership Down - Richard Adams - 1973 - 50 million
The Hite Report - Shere Hite - 1976 - 48 million
Charlotte's Web - E. B. White - 1952 - 45 million
The Ginger Man - J. P. Donleavy - 1955 - 45 million
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter - 1902 - 45 million
Let me help you,

Which is more? 200 million or 6 Billion?

Yes of course the #200 is larger than the #6 but you have to consider the word behind the number.

Which is more? Million or Billion?

The letter “M” is 13th in the alphabet and the letter “B” is 2ond. That doesn’t mean the letter “M” is greater than the letter “B”.

I think we can say 6 Billion is more than 200 million.

Do you agree?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178113 Sep 22, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
you must have bought it twenty times huh?LLL
bible may be most printed book but doesnt even come close to being a best seller
best selling books of all time
Do keep in mind that the list makes a distinction between "most published and distributed" and "best selling."
That eliminates contenders like the Bible, the Qur'an, and Quotations from Chairman Mao. Too, sales figures for individual Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for some reason, said to be so unreliable that they are not included in the list (although the Potter series is estimated to have sold more than 450 million copies in total, and the Twilight series, some 116 million copies).
If we accept these standards, the best selling single-volume books of all-time are said to be:
A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens - 1859 - 200 million copies +
Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - 1943 - 200 million
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1954-1955 - 150 million
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1937 - 100 million
Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xuequin - 1754 - 100 million
And Then There Were None - Agatha Christie - 1939 - 100 million
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe - C. S. Lewis - 1950 - 85 million
She - H. Rider Haggard - 1887 - 83 million
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown - 2003 - 80 million
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill - 1937 - 70 million
The Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - 1951 - 65 million
The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho - 1988 - 65 million
Steps to Christ - Ellen G. White - 1892 - 60 million
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov - 1955 - 60 million
Heidi's Years of Wandering and Learning - Johanna Spyri - 1955 - 50 million
The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care - Dr. Benjamin Spock - 50 million
Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maude Montgomery - 1908 - 50 million
Black Beauty: The Autobiography of a Horse - Anna Sewell - 50 million
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - 1980 - 50 million
The Eagle Has Landed - Jack Higgins - 1975 - 50 million
Watership Down - Richard Adams - 1973 - 50 million
The Hite Report - Shere Hite - 1976 - 48 million
Charlotte's Web - E. B. White - 1952 - 45 million
The Ginger Man - J. P. Donleavy - 1955 - 45 million
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter - 1902 - 45 million
Please don't say no. Because I will bust a rib laughing and that hurts.
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#178114 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me help you,
Which is more? 200 million or 6 Billion?
Yes of course the #200 is larger than the #6 but you have to consider the word behind the number.
Which is more? Million or Billion?
The letter “M” is 13th in the alphabet and the letter “B” is 2ond. That doesn’t mean the letter “M” is greater than the letter “B”.
I think we can say 6 Billion is more than 200 million.
Do you agree?
hey go buy some more,Im sure churches need your money!!LLL

now learn the difference between most printed distributed and best selling,,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-sel...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178115 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
We shall all die. Everyone that is born is going to die. It’s part of the life process. I have not suffered the loss of a newborn in my personal life nor has anyone near me.
I know it happens and many are saved through modern medical science. If you ever visit some of the old cemeteries that go back into the 1800’s. You will notice a large percentage of baby graves.
I hate it when children die. I hate it even more when children are abused by adults. Mistreated, starved, beaten, hated, locked in cages.
Death is a threshold we shall all enter into, both young and old, great and small.
That is some nice story-telling.

But it fails to explain why your god refuses the endless prayers of parents and nurses, to save the lives of infants who are dying.

Why does your god make seemingly random "miracles" here and there, but refuses to help the most innocent of lives?(infants)
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178116 Sep 22, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
LIEs chicken12 ,,all LIEs,,thats what christINSANITY does
why do kristains LIE so much..
Lol, Lies about what?

That 6 Billion is more than 200 million?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178117 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are some bad ministers and some that are exceptional. It’s more than delivering a sermon but being on call 24/7 every day of the year. It’s the phone ringing at 2:00am because someone was in a car wreck.
Counseling families, couples, performing weddings and funerals. It’s visiting the elderly in nursing homes. Being involved in the community. Making daily hospital visits praying and encouraging the sick.
Then there’s the counseling the teenager that ran away. Helping a Mom and Dad to understand it’s going to be ok their daughter is pregnant at 17. It’s work, a lot of work. There’s more work than what one man or woman can do.
Despite all that people expect them to be cheerful, happy, and above all perfect. People can have unreal expectations.
That is all nice and stuff.

But.

I **do** expect, that from a god-blessed PULPIT, that the minister sticks to the actual truth.

And does not lie in obvious and easy-to show ways.

IF.

IF there is a god who gives a **damn** who is representing his message?

Then I would expect some divine censure against preachers who LIE.

Is this the case?

Nope.

In fact?

IT NEVER HAPPENS--EVER.

Hmmmmm.....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178118 Sep 22, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have too Bob, goodnight.
:)

I cannot help it-- I find I like you, as a person.

I suspect you and I could be acquaintances in a different reality (one where we were neighbors).

Peace.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178119 Sep 22, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> I feel bad for you Bob, years of recovering from an abusive church. You cant put your trust in man. There is one you can put your trust in.
Who?

I spent 40 years seeking a god I could trust.

God?

A complete no-show. Never bothered to show up, not even one time in 40 years of looking.

Care to explain?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178120 Sep 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
God reveals that this statement is false, read Romans 1.
I had Romans mostly memorized at one point.

But.

The **FACT** is?

God has always and ever been-- entirely missing.

Always.

For you, too-- you just lie to yourself, to claim otherwise.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178121 Sep 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol
You think that DEAD INFANTS is ... FUNNY?

You are one sick puppy.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178122 Sep 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
By what standard do you judge Him,
I expect gods to -- as a BARE MINIMUM -- be AT LEAST as moral as mortal humans are.

Is this the case?

Nope.

Human parents would do **anything** to preserve the lives of their children.

Is this the case with your god?

Nope-- he allows people--- babies-- to die every day.

HE DOES NOTHING.

As if he wasn't even there at all...!

But if your god IS THERE?

HE IS LESS MORAL THAN MERE HUMAN PARENTS.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178123 Sep 22, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
you must have bought it twenty times huh?LLL
bible may be most printed book but doesnt even come close to being a best seller
best selling books of all time
Do keep in mind that the list makes a distinction between "most published and distributed" and "best selling."
That eliminates contenders like the Bible, the Qur'an, and Quotations from Chairman Mao. Too, sales figures for individual Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for some reason, said to be so unreliable that they are not included in the list (although the Potter series is estimated to have sold more than 450 million copies in total, and the Twilight series, some 116 million copies).
If we accept these standards, the best selling single-volume books of all-time are said to be:
A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens - 1859 - 200 million copies +
Le Petit Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - 1943 - 200 million
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1954-1955 - 150 million
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - 1937 - 100 million
Dream of the Red Chamber - Cao Xuequin - 1754 - 100 million
And Then There Were None - Agatha Christie - 1939 - 100 million
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe - C. S. Lewis - 1950 - 85 million
She - H. Rider Haggard - 1887 - 83 million
The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown - 2003 - 80 million
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill - 1937 - 70 million
The Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - 1951 - 65 million
The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho - 1988 - 65 million
Steps to Christ - Ellen G. White - 1892 - 60 million
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov - 1955 - 60 million
Heidi's Years of Wandering and Learning - Johanna Spyri - 1955 - 50 million
The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care - Dr. Benjamin Spock - 50 million
Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maude Montgomery - 1908 - 50 million
Black Beauty: The Autobiography of a Horse - Anna Sewell - 50 million
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - 1980 - 50 million
The Eagle Has Landed - Jack Higgins - 1975 - 50 million
Watership Down - Richard Adams - 1973 - 50 million
The Hite Report - Shere Hite - 1976 - 48 million
Charlotte's Web - E. B. White - 1952 - 45 million
The Ginger Man - J. P. Donleavy - 1955 - 45 million
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter - 1902 - 45 million
Let’s do some more comparisons.

The Atheist Manifesto: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism, and Islam has sold 200,000 copies.

The Bible: 6 Billion copies sold and or distributed.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178125 Sep 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Your reasoning will not accept any evidence of God.
Flat lie: I would cheerfully accept PROOF that a god or gods are real.

Seriously.

BUT YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY AT ALL.

I would **love** for there to be a benevolent deity watching over humanity.

But there is NO FACTS that support that idea.

None at all.

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